Does anyone earn a living from playing EU?

[3-J]

should put up a poll, 'how much profit have you taken out of the game, ever'

after subtracting what you've put in.


and reading that translation gave me a headache :/

 

[twitchie]

Sure there are a gfew people who have developed the business model to the point of earning an income from the game. Now, some who could, may not actually withdraw that money. They may just reinvest. There are a few who have hit that level. The important thing is for people to not look at those individuals and start thinking EU is a way to "make a living playing a video game." It can, has, and is being done.

And one doesn't, theoretically, have to have tons of money to invest. If you hit a nice ATH and reinvest those peds wisely then you could run that business model yourself, over time. Again, not a get rich quick kinda' thing. GL all!

 

[xXSqUaLLXx]

Once you turn EU into a way to gain income RL on a steady basis, it no longer becomes fun. Endless grinding or trading can be fun up to a point, then it becomes just like another job, but withouth the annoying boss constatly poking you from behind do to your job.

Sitram

It depends how u look at the game, there is people in it that dont have any fun anymore, people that are so much at the top, that dont have time to speak at all and prefer to spend the little time they have in , in a capitalist totally greedy way the only fun they got is on bank account and the big swirlies. everyone is different i guess.
Personnaly, i always get fun, always things to learn, the only thing is it can be depressive sometimes and that basic swirlies dont release dopamine/ endorphine anymore, but iam always entousiastic day after day and mostly fun, far from being just a job, all depends what matters for u, but for sure iam a worker, friendship first, business and then fun for me

 

[Manique]

What Squalx said its true
its acessible to everyone to profit with the right knowledge.
But put in our hands,
If we share we EVERY single player... MA will go broke?
No, the system will change and it'll be even harder to profit without High-end gear.
If I manage to get skills for the XT soon, the max I can do its TRY To break even (at that lvl I'd have commando ofc and about 75hit+). but If I had a Mod Merc I'd profit perhaps....
XT is acessible for a non-depositer IF he made it to that level also, the gun only requires lots of peds to grid with it, Mod Merc is not acessible to everyone due to price / Availability

 

[Mercury]

Paid taxes on this job for past 5 years. If it isn't possible to a living here please tell that to the tax man when he comes knocking om my door.

 

[Ludvig|MindArk]

The ELUA or TAU is not the end-all solution to protect companies from lawyers and lawsuits.

oh yeah? and exactly what law would allow him to sue them for not returning an item, and thereby breaking their own rules?

it is not their responsibility...

 

[Manique]

Paid taxes on this job for past 5 years. If it isn't possible to a living here please tell that to the tax man when he comes knocking om my door.

 

[~CHOPPER~]

Paid taxes on this job for past 5 years. If it isn't possible to a living here please tell that to the tax man when he comes knocking om my door.

The IRS loves to tax your income no matter where it comes from

 

[Alina]

EU paid my internet bill for last few years Now some exams

 

[~CHOPPER~]

oh yeah? and exactly what law would allow him to sue them for not returning an item, and thereby breaking their own rules?

it is not their responsibility...

I didn't say he would win m8. Many companies settle out of court when presented with possible court costs and potential bad rep. from a lawsuit.
This is a real problem in USA.
The TAU can not stop someone from trying.

 

[xXSqUaLLXx]

I didn't say he would win m8. Many companies settle out of court when presented with possible court costs and potential bad rep. from a lawsuit.
This is a real problem in USA.
The TAU can not stop someone from trying.

Where to draw the line?if u allow such investment to be made (deposited) and claim things as "u can make a living in this game" then to me like u say chopper when it reachs the real world, eula or not, it shouldnt be a protection having an eula if u can lose investments that way so easily in a computer game where u dont even have right of what u bought folowing an eula then imo .

 

[~CHOPPER~]

Where to draw the line, if u allow such investment to be made (deposited) and claim things as "u can make a living in this game" then to me like u say chopper when it reachs the real world, eula or not, it shouldnt be a protection having an eula if u can lose it that way in a computer game where u dont even have right of what u bought folowing an eula.

I never agreed with MA's non return of TT'd items policy. MA's new 1000 ped fee to return TT'd items is complete bullshit.
The solution is simple and has been discussed on EF before. allow LOCKING of items.

 

[Ter]

I have had my investment back many times over I dont play as much as I used too but I still have some nice toys in my locker...

 

[Zacariaz]

ahh well, if the guide to do good was given away to all...

Yes, it's true. I could have bought that oa-105 bp from you for 5k and maybe the remaining 15k would've been enough to get the bp up to a decent gr so that it would actually be possible to profit, but I still believe it would be a small profit and a bad crafting run could easily brake me. I could get lucky though and then after years of work (you know its not all about clicking the button), I may have a bp that I can really profit of.

and even then there are many people who cannot spare $2000. I know I'm one of them.

I'm not attacking anyone or whinning or anything, just repeating what I said ealier. Yes, you can make a profit, but you either need to be extremely lucky and I mean the "jump out from a plain without a parashute and survive" kinda lucky or you need to make and investment that most people simply can't affort.

Is this a bad ting? I dont' think so, at least not as long as I can keep playing the game at my level without having to deposit hundrets of dollars a month, which at the moment, sadly, is not the case, though I'm confident that things will change for the better as EU, hopefully, get a whole lot more users.

 

[xXSqUaLLXx]

I never agreed with MA's non return of TT'd items policy. MA's new 1000 ped fee to return TT'd items is complete bullshit.
The solution is simple and has been discussed on EF before. allow LOCKING of items.

yup, and it shouldnt stop on locking items only, it should go deeper because nobody can say he will never make a mistake based on a "binary language" without insurance locking or not.its not like its actually hard to program safety imo.and its in Ma interest to show no mistake without reverse is possible for such great virtual world.it can only make more confidence in system and deposit than the opposite.

 

[Chery Lady]

I have had my investment back many times over I dont play as much as I used too but I still have SOME nice toys in my locker...

... a Warant sayd

 

[timmmers]

Interesting thread.

I know that some people say they make a living, and some probably do...and some not.

If anyone started with that goal right now or even recently though, they would be insane after seeing how completely the controlling company company can completely change ALL the rules, the economy, everything ingame...and bugger up any long term plans you may have. Every business needs a business plan, the longer the better. Every business OWNS it's own assets and can calculate depreciation where likely without worrying that someone else is going to depreciate them overnight....and also their core skills won't decrease in value either nor will their acumulated knowledge unlike here in EU where again MA can move ALL goalposts at will.

If I had 100k to use to make a living playing a game for a living I'd definitely choose poker over EU every day...the rules stay the same, you know the risks, and everyone starts equal except for experience and skill. I could buy a thriving LA in EU and find a new planet makes it worthless overnight here in EU and the same applies to almost anything ingame. serious changes aren't organic, they don't follow natural market forces, they appear following an idea in an office in Sweden.

IF i played and was in profit I'd be happy, I'd more than likely be an old ava from the 1st golden age though, most of these guys who make money are.
IF I was making a living right now, I'd be really worried about how the changes are going to mess with my income about now...it's possible that they could be great, it's also possible they could blow me out of the water ..and the word "nerf" is way too commonly used for me to relax about changes going from the past.

It's been a giggle watching people say that anyone new with not a large investment can build up to a living....the people saying that simply don't know as they didn't have to do that. It's like me saying that anyone can be a pro poker player...just enter a freeroll and win the World series of poker and you're set...unlikely atlhough possible in theory. Misleading too.

t

 

[Antronius]

except that Squall in no way could had sued MA, as they are protected against this kind of stuff by the EULA

strange how many ppl forget stuff like that

Maybe you should google the case where a guy sued that other 3D/VR game and won despite the repressive EULA.

EULAs aren't laws.

The issue: Is the money pursuing a legal win against a huge corporation worth being spent. In the case of the above, the guy lost enough that it was worth it.

The risk for the game owner is also real: their EULA has now been ruled in legal proceedings as "unconscionable." That's a brutal consequense for the game.

In Joe Jeff's case, MA probably calculated that the loss of a OA105 (UL) was worth pursuing. Also knowing the consequenses to that other game I think would factor in their decision. I know if it were me, I'd do a lot to get something like that back.

(I would also be more than happy to receive one of those as a gift from someone.) [EDIT:] Seriously.

To stay on topic - it's obviously possible to earn a living in this game. The question is how good of a living. Arguably two thousand USD per month isn't a big windfall.



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[addz]

Paid taxes on this job for past 5 years. If it isn't possible to a living here please tell that to the tax man when he comes knocking om my door.

Tell them you already paid your "tax" to neverdie and tell them to go get it off him.

Then send neverdie a PM and ask him for a tax recipt

 

[Gluepot]

I've heard ND, Star, Squall, and some others do - though I have not personally verified with any of them.

 

[FilthyMcNasty]

If it helps, I make about $20 a month profit.......

 

[Grave Digger]

There are many ppl making money in this game,reseller,hunter,miner crafter,dunno if they could life from the money they make but with discipline,knowlege and endurance i am sure U can.In the past i made like 30-40k ped per month (average) profit,but last 2 years i left my money ingame to update my gear.
I dont make that much money anymore ingame(maybe 3-4k ped average/week) because i am lazy and have a work where i earn really good and a real life

I personally coulndt life from the money i make from the game in Germany,so i let all my money in Game untill i leave EU,not sure when this will happen but as long i make money i 'll stay

 

[timmmers]

I have yet to see anyone who isn't uber say they make anything like a living ?

I read about a few guys who sell skills to make decent peds, and can do so because they have awsome eco gear and just about all the unlocks to help with that...something that anyone starting out in the last couple of years won't ever manage.

Pumping money into EU seems not to work half as well as simply being here for a very long time ...pilots, landowners and those banks and malls I bet have yet to pay their costs back....all those investments could turn out bad and are way risky in a company controlled environment.

SGA may just furnish a nice item or two that can start a trader off nicely...but the really good gear is more likely to fall out of mobs that the richer in skills, gear and peds can hunt and not many others can. These items once were quite normal in loot, and long time players probably have some of these nicer toys where a very few of us will get an SGA item worth a giggle.

In essence someone who has 7 years ingame now could well be doing it for a living..but in 7 years from today your chances of doing the same are almost zero as conditions have changed too much. You'd need a really kickass idea or awesome luck ..and no nerfs or changes that alter the game balance (like other planets may do).

Don't get me wrong I think people who spent so much time doing something and were fortunate enough to find PE early and benefit from that deserve a reward...that's fair. What I hate to see is people talking as if it's possible now in the same way when it really isn't.

t

 

[Agis]

Point is , im working so hard in entropia these past 3 years building up my skill to a level that is what my goals are set out as now that im nearing them , now i have heaps of skill and experience but nevertheless not enough to buy fancy toys to play with (an UL XT would be nice) but the luck factor of this game is not with me , it has only been with me in VERY small patches. End of last year i lost my house through a bank foreclosure, along with my DVD business going down, and thought when it happened that i probably will never revive my avatar and keep him porgressing not realising that a x3 skill event happened and only getting internet back after christmas , I lost my position on tracker after hunting uber ambu on cnd 8 hours per day for almost 6 months, I thought my whole EU was blown by an IRL circumstance id hate to see anyone go through, everything i own in entropia now is the value of my avatar (nothing more , nothing less) I did buy some phantom armor and imp21, but other than that , thats all i got..but i still persist on my pension and a little income from trading on market stalls so i can deposit each week to hunt , mining unfortunately is not my thing because of my disability with math comprehension, I tired mining and still keep trying different strategies but fail to get anything - skills are now over 30 in survey and prospecting. But i persist on treating EU as a long term investment (my girlfriend thinks im just wasting my money each week) but i think there is a way you can eventually make a living in EU or just make a few withdrawls (never withdrawn yet) but my vision is MA have a design and many people have said it is not a casino and in my mind there is light and the end of the tunnel and maybe sooner than later i will be able to make something from EU without trading...All i do is keep persisting , now i finally have a decent PC to take the next step and keep grinding to achieve my goal.

 

[Profit]

Tell them you already paid your "tax" to neverdie and tell them to go get it off him.

Then send neverdie a PM and ask him for a tax recipt

Whoa!
You just made an awesome point! Surely, somehow, you can wrangle atleast a portion of your tax back because of LA taxes? Has anyone ever bothered asking for a receipt of taxes from MA to see what they say?

 

[sententz]

I know at least 15 people who make profit regularly between 1k-3k$/month and actualy make a living from EU..mostly from hunting and crafting....but from trade and mining too.

And btw...not many people know this...Entropia is nothing about gambling .Gambling online is forbiden by swedish laws..and they have reguraly financial checks ..that's why every auction in entropia is under some very strict rules .That is the main reason MA took out the peds from loot(few years ago in loot was pure peds..no oils).I actualy..believe it or not...have alot more trust in MA then in all banks in this world.

 

[niky0404]

i know few people too...realy....yes..is very posible...I didnt believed first.But i now they made some investments too...i personaly dont have money to invest..so...is more like a fun for me

 

[ForrestPark]

I know at least 15 people who make profit regularly between 1k-3k$/month and actualy make a living from EU..mostly from hunting and crafting....but from trade and mining too.

Tracker says you are the 18th best hunter in the game (in terms of number of globals), five places above Star and twelve places below Grave.

Do you make a profit? What would you need to do to make a profit, hunting?

Forrest

 

[DoubleWolf]

I gotta think that it's next to impossible to get rich from this game. You might be able to make enough to squeak by, but that's about it. I've seen many posts from people that say they have been able to withdraw more than they've ever deposited so I know the potential to profit is there, but I can't ever see making EU a full time job just from the returns you get from hunting/mining/crafting and such.

People that own land areas are a different story altogether. The ability to sit back and collect the tax money would certainly give someone the opportunity to pull out some real income.

But like it was mentioned earlier, it's all relative to where you live. $1000 per month in the US wont get you much at all, but in another country you could be living like a king.

I think it's very dangerous for someone to go into this game thinking they will be able to earn a living from EU. Play the game for fun, try to earn a profit here and there. If you make enough to pay the bills then cool, but don't think that playing EU as a full time job is easily achievable by any means because very few people are able to do it...

 

[Grave Digger]

I would say at least 60-70% of the members of top5 society making money in this game and some more wich are not in a top 5 society,dunno if they selling permanent skills to make money or not,but it is possible to make enough money without to sell skills.
But i think atm it is better to keep the skills,even if u have maxed your mainweapon.
I remember the time where skills above 10k didnt affect in your profession (i chipped out my skills down to 10k),now they count well

Maybe keeping the skills is the better investment
So who knows what happen in the future?