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Lundburgerr

Lundburgerr

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in my opinion most limited items are so good that they alone can make a total noob compete to very skilled players ingame in efficiency...


if a normal weapon have 4.3 dmg pec (for example) and the average owner of it have 30% min dmg he will get average dmg at about 65% and will actually give him average dmg/ pec of 2.8

Nano katana for instance got 4.27 dmg/pec
and it have 50% min dmg. without market it got 3.2 average dmg/pec. But in auction it get sold for only 110% and even less which gives it an average dmg/pec of about 2.85-2.9 which would give it about 4.4 dmg/pec. compared to imp mk2 that would have 3.05 average dmg/pec or 4.7 dmg/pec. but thing is nano katana also adds skill bonuses and hit ability + critical hit ability is maxed.
and that would prolly make nano katana as efficient as imp mk2.. now doesn't that sound way to good?

Conclusion is that nano katan is way to good.. any noob with no skills should be able to hunt as efficient as people with uber eq such as imp mk2 or uber skills.

I think MA must reconsider the limited weapons system and change the recipe of limited weapons so that crafters can't sell these weapons at such low rate.

I hope someone must agree with me here?


PS. hope you understand me.. writing is not what I do for living.
 
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Ummm...what's so bad in having more weapons with good economy in market?
Should only owners of impmk2/MM have good economy?
 
OR ma could make so that limited weapons had exact same stats as unlimited weapons.. only difference would be limited weapons give extra skill.. think that would be better then changing recipe
 
Krrk said:
Ummm...what's so bad in having more weapons with good economy in market?
Should only owners of impmk2/MM have good economy?
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you think it's fair that a guy with 10k lb and 2k lb can hunt just as efficient now?

besides it's not fair that someone paying 330 ped get a weapon as efficient as someone paying 55k ped?

skills is worth shit atm.. SHIT! :mad:
 
Lundburgerr said:
you think it's fair that a guy with 10k lb and 2k lb can hunt just as efficient now?

besides it's not fair that someone paying 330 ped get a weapon as efficient as someone paying 55k ped?
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Sorry but I really doubt that hunter with 2k lb can hunt as efficiently as hunter with 10k lb - there are also other skills that matter when it comes to efficiency :) .
 
Krrk said:
Sorry but I really doubt that hunter with 2k lb can hunt as efficiently as hunter with 10k lb - there are also other skills that matter when it comes to efficiency :) .
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humm if there really is and it might be so.. still the difference would be way to small.



I for one wont touch my pistol untill it get changed so far.. only gonna hunt with limited weapon.

my lb is like 450 now heh... when I get my stats maxed on nano katana I will report how it goes.. I'm amazing laser pistoleer but I think I better use nano katana.. I'm much more efficient there...
 
actually, no i dont agree.

and you cant compare it with imk2, because you take alot less damage when using ranged weapons, which means less armordecay, less chance of taking a critical hit which ofcourse means less chance of dying (and dying do cost money)

also, as i understand it the L items needs good skills to be used or you wont even be able to do maxdam (i havnt put any time in actually confirming this tho)

and remember that a nano cant be used to tt=0 when u do your dam/pec calculation (maybe u did remember that, just mentioned it in case u forgot)

and ofcourse there is nothing that says that your avreage damage will be 45 on a weapon that gives you 30 min/60max, most ppl just assume that.
is very likly that your skills improve your avreage damage, which means that a nano will be better with 10k LB then with 2k LB.
 
Roth said:
actually, no i dont agree.

and you cant compare it with imk2, because you take alot less damage when using ranged weapons, which means less armordecay, less chance of taking a critical hit which ofcourse means less chance of dying (and dying do cost money)
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did you play lately? armor decay is extremly low atm and if you got good enough armor and hunt a suitable mob.. you wont die...
so yes ofcourse.. I can compare it with imp mk2 in efficiency

Roth said:
also, as i understand it the L items needs good skills to be used or you wont even be able to do maxdam (i havnt put any time in actually confirming this tho)
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Absolutely NOT!

Roth said:
and remember that a nano cant be used to tt=0 when u do your dam/pec calculation (maybe u did remember that, just mentioned it in case u forgot)
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it can be used to 3% of max TT value I know

Roth said:
and ofcourse there is nothing that says that your avreage damage will be 45 on a weapon that gives you 30 min/60max, most ppl just assume that.
is very likly that your skills improve your avreage damage, which means that a nano will be better with 10k LB then with 2k LB.
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maybe maybe not.. however if not, the difference will be very very small..
 
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Nano katana requires quite much skills. I with 3,8K at LB don`t master it.

I think that it is right that (L) weapons have better stats (at least a bit better). because if stats would be the same why should i use (L)? and if stats would be the same would you pay more than 100% for a weapon?
 
you're right recharger.. stats should not be the same.. but atm in my opinion it's way to good.
 
trying hunting with them first and if you make way too much profit, then you can complain :p
 
MA staff will probably laught their a... off when they read this.
All the whining and dissapointement about loot, stats nerf, casino ect
and suddenly we have someone complaining that something is TOO good

:confused: :confused:
 
Its the nature of humans to complain if things dont go the right way for themselves
That is one thing that will never change ^^
 
You wanna max nano katana and you currently have 450lb skill.
Good luck.


I have around 5k lb and still the katana isnt maxed out.
Plus its not that anyone can get a full nano katana lately, very little are in auction these days.
 
High skills is like having limited item for keepers :)

Also when people realise how good these swords are, prices will go up. at for example 120-130% they are not so sweet anymore.
Supply is not huge from what I understand. So its not possible to make some 100 swords every day just like that.
 
Blackblood said:
You wanna max nano katana and you currently have 450lb skill.
Good luck.


I have around 5k lb and still the katana isnt maxed out.
Plus its not that anyone can get a full nano katana lately, very little are in auction these days.
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ya I know... didn't check what I wrote.. meant that WHEN I am skilled enough I will only use them.. bought a couple of determinations to skill me up a little.. :)
 
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Leothar said:
Its the nature of humans to complain if things dont go the right way for themselves
That is one thing that will never change ^^
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nothing did go wrong for me or did I say so?

I just saw the stats and noticed it's way to good.. I can't bare in my mind that it's just this easy to be an efficient hunter nowadays without putting much effort in
 
Amanda. said:
MA staff will probably laught their a... off when they read this.
All the whining and dissapointement about loot, stats nerf, casino ect
and suddenly we have someone complaining that something is TOO good

:confused: :confused:
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what if it's connected? the guys using nano katanas maybe take all the money leaving nothing for many others? :p

it also makes this to some kind of a casino.. it's much easier to hunt efficient now than before.. MA wasn't a casino before now it is beggining to become one..

one reason to that is those uber limited weapons
 
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Moser said:
High skills is like having limited item for keepers :)

Also when people realise how good these swords are, prices will go up. at for example 120-130% they are not so sweet anymore.
Supply is not huge from what I understand. So its not possible to make some 100 swords every day just like that.
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hmm might be good I dunno.. might be way to good for crafters instead then?
 
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burnsey said:
trying hunting with them first and if you make way too much profit, then you can complain :p
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facts is obvious :)

sure I will try hunt with them :)
 
Lundburgerr said:
what if it's connected? the guys using nano katanas maybe take all the money leaving nothing for many others? :p

it also makes this to some kind of a casino.. it's much easier to hunt efficient now than before.. MA wasn't a casino before now it is beggining to become one..

one reason to that is those uber limited weapons
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interesting point
 
Too good eh? Ok, I'll make sure I jack the price up when I am able to make them. ;)
 
Lundburgerr said:
hmm might be good I dunno.. might be way to good for crafters instead then?
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If it is "to good for crafters" miners will push up ore prices.
Is it too good for miners then?

/Kjetil :cool:
 
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Originally Posted by Roth



also, as i understand it the L items needs good skills to be used or you wont even be able to do maxdam (i havnt put any time in actually confirming this tho)



Absolutely NOT!
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acttually right now i have 2k in l;b and my max dmg is the max min dmg lol
so yes this is true lol and my aim and crit are at 0
 
some notes:

1) when calculating the economy of the nano, you must add in the extra price you will pay for the item.

2) PE always was a casino.

3) it's "too"
 
truantduck said:
some notes:

1) when calculating the economy of the nano, you must add in the extra price you will pay for the item.
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heh ofcourse
truantduck said:
2) PE always was a casino.
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:)
truantduck said:
3) it's "too"
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I'm sry :) english isn't my native language :)
 
Kjetil said:
If it is "to good for crafters" miners will push up ore prices.
Is it too good for miners then?

/Kjetil :cool:
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:)

I guess only option would be to decrease the stats of it then?..
 
Hmm, first you wrote
"in my opinion most limited items are so good that they alone can make a total noob compete to very skilled players ingame in efficiency..."

and now you say

Lundburgerr said:
ya I know... didn't check what I wrote.. meant that WHEN I am skilled enough I will only use them.. bought a couple of determinations to skill me up a little.. :)
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and with ppl confirming that you need 4k+ in longblade id say you need to be more then the avreage newbie ;)

yes i know armor decays less these days, and yes the diffrence may not be great when it comes to skill raising avreage damage, but it all adds up.

Myself i dont like the L item system tho, I want L bps to be rare and make normal items and limited item from normal bps. I think its silly that crafters can use L bps as skilling bps..

and why isnt Opalo a normal item made from L bp :p
 
Roth said:
Hmm, first you wrote
"in my opinion most limited items are so good that they alone can make a total noob compete to very skilled players ingame in efficiency..."

and now you say



and with ppl confirming that you need 4k+ in longblade id say you need to be more then the avreage newbie ;)
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being skilled enough to use something doesn't say you ARE skilled now does it :)
4k lb isn't that hard to get.. lb is the probably the fastest skill ingame and I allreadye reached 2.5k in lb.. so
 
Lundburgerr said:
being skilled enough to use something doesn't say you ARE skilled now does it :)
4k lb isn't that hard to get.. lb is the probably the fastest skill ingame and I allreadye reached 2.5k in lb.. so
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no, but i does say that you aint a total noob, and I dobut that lb is the fastest skill.. i did my lbskilling in the old system so i dunno how fast it is now but.. I know i managed to go from lvl 0 to lvl 2000 in HG in 2 days. and ofcourse.. its after 2.5-3k it starts to slow down ;)

but keep skilling and keep us informed of your progress :)
 
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