Consumer rights and Entropia

Okay I'm not going to double check the EULA right now but doesn't it state that when you deposit money what you purchase is PED and that MA takes no responsibility for anything purchased with that PED beyond TT value.
I know it sucks when you get screwed because of this. btw Quetesh, those areas at least look like they are worth money now :)
I don't know what a lawyer would say about "unfair" contracts but I seem to remember a time when if you where an adult and you agreed to a contract then you where bound to that agreement no matter how unfair. Ahh civil law is going to hell in a hand basket it seems :)
 
The last months has been haunted by bugged shops and properties. As a co-owner of Medusa's Head I have been the man-in-the-middle for MA selling shops and apartments to players who now haven't been able to use them for weeks because FPC or MA refuse to even look at the bug because it is only reported by "a few" players. Yet other shops has been bugged for months with no action from MA/SEE's side to improve the situation.

People are investing thousands of peds in apartments and shops that they now cannot use.

I hope Quetesh agrees there are two separate issues here
- property had its characteristics changed
- property was sold which is bugged.

I'm not involved in Medusa's Head, but if I were, I would be hopping mad. Remember FPC/SEE were attempting to get 2 million Ped for this? And they must have known part of it was bugged.

Of course Quetesh got a it cheap, but I don't see why that should affect the legal/moral issue here.

SEE will find it very difficult to sell anything else if they can't warrant that it is bug-free, or that they will endeavour to make it so.

[I believe the latest MA accounts show that SEE did not make a scheduled payment to MA; there must be many potential reasons, but Medusa's Head is surely on the list].
 
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I believe since it's a very advanced field, there are no international laws about virtual real estates and land areas.

So before investing a few dozen thousand dollars into it, I'd probably spent a few thousand to find someone competent in this and to get a legal advice as to how the EULA looks in the eyes of the law and my chances to sue MA and to win it in the court.

Posting such matters on the forum might help you to let the steam out but it won't compensate your losses.
 
http://www.econsumer.gov/english/resolve/adr.shtm

Alternative Dispute Resolution
If your attempts to fix a problem directly with the business are not successful, you may think that legal action is your only option. Often, however, there is a quicker and cheaper option through which you can try to resolve your dispute: using a neutral third party. This process is called alternative dispute resolution (ADR), and, increasingly, consumers and merchants are using it.

Online ADR involves a process through which you can contact an ADR provider, file your complaint online, have the other party respond online, and resolve the entire dispute from the comfort of your own home with no need to travel and at minimal cost.

If you have a dispute, be aware that some sites may require you to go through ADR before going to court; others may require you to waive your right to go to court. Check the terms and conditions of the sale first. Then, check with your local consumer protection agency to see if "mandatory" or "binding" ADR clauses are legal in your country. In the future, if you do not want to give up your immediate right to go to court, consider whether you want to do business elsewhere.

To determine whether to use ADR to resolve your dispute, consider the following questions:

What should I think about before considering ADR?
Before trying ADR, ask yourself the following questions:

What remedy would satisfy me?
Clearly identify what solution would be acceptable to you. For example: Do you want your money back? Do you want the product to be replaced? Do you want the business to take other action?
Have I tried to resolve the problem directly with the business myself?
Usually, the best first step is to contact the business directly. Businesses often have internal complaint handling systems that will help solve your problem quickly and efficiently.
Can my payment card issuer provide assistance?
If you paid for goods or services using a credit or debit card, you may benefit from special protections. Carefully read your payment card statements for information on contesting charges, and check with your local consumer protection agency to see whether any special protections apply in your country.
Do I suspect fraud or some other unlawful conduct?
If so, file a complaint through the econsumer.gov complaint form, and contact your national or local consumer protection or data protection authorities.
What kinds of online ADR are available?
Mediation and arbitration are common methods used in the offline world, and are increasingly available online. Automated negotiation is a new form of ADR that takes special advantage of the online environment.

What is mediation?
In mediation, a neutral third party - a mediator - helps you and the other party try to resolve the problem through facilitated dialogue. However, it's up to you and the other party to reach an agreement. Other names for similar approaches to ADR include "assisted negotiation", "facilitation", and "conciliation".
What is arbitration?
Arbitration involves a neutral third party – an arbitrator – who gathers information from you and the other party and makes a decision. Frequently, the arbitrator's decision is intended to be binding.
What is automated negotiation?
Automated negotiation is a computerised process, mostly designed to settle disputes over monetary amounts. It is often based on a system of blind bidding, through which the parties enter successive bids in an attempt to reach agreement, but without knowing what the other party has offered. The process concludes when the bids become sufficiently close to one another and the computer program can propose a solution. Read the terms and conditions of an automated negotiation carefully, as the outcome generated by the computer can be a legally binding contract.
How do I choose a particular form of ADR?
Some online merchants specify in their terms and conditions that a particular form of ADR will be used if there is a dispute about the transaction. Read those terms and conditions carefully, and ensure that you are comfortable with them before making your purchase. With other merchants, you may be able to initiate the ADR proceeding yourself. In thinking about which form of ADR would be best for your dispute, ask yourself the following questions to help you determine which ADR program to use.

What role do I want the third party to play?
In arbitration, the third party makes the decision. In mediation the role of the third party may vary, but your own active involvement in proposing compromises and finding solutions is essential. In automated negotiation, a solution is generated by a computer program.
Should the third party have special qualifications/ expertise?
Arbitrators and mediators may have formal qualifications. If your dispute is highly technical, or requires a particular area of expertise, make sure the third party has sufficient and appropriate expertise. If it is a simple dispute where, for example, you and the business disagree on the facts, formal qualifications may be less necessary. In either case, having a third party with experience in the subject matter of your dispute will be helpful.
Am I willing to be bound by the outcome?
You may be bound to obey the outcome of an arbitration, in which case you would not be able to sue the company in court. However, in some countries, consumers are not allowed to give up their right to go to court. Check with your local consumer protection or data protection agency.
How do I choose a particular ADR provider
Consider the following:

Does the provider adhere to a code of conduct or guidelines
An ADR provider may refer to a set of guidelines or a code of conduct. Usually, this means that the ADR provider has voluntarily agreed to respect certain rules. Check the Web site of the ADR provider for details about these types of measures.
What will it cost to use this ADR programm
Some programmes are free. Others charge a flat rate or a rate based on your ability to pay. Check the merchant's site and the ADR provider's site to see who will pay the ADR costs.
How long will the process take?
For most consumer transactions the process should only take a few days or weeks. However, it may take longer depending on the complexity of the transaction and/or claim. Nevertheless, ADR can often be much speedier than going to court.
Can I go through the process in my own language?
Inquire whether you can use your own language during the process. Sometimes translation may be available but inquire about the cost and availability of a translator.
How will I present my case?
The actual process of communicating may take many different forms, ranging from a simple exchange of e-mails to all parties being "present" via Web cams.

Consider:
Timing: If the problem is complex, you may want time to think, before having to respond.
Technology: You can send an e-mail any time from home, but can you videoconference?
Security: Messages sent by ordinary e-mail generally have no special security protections. The level of security needed will depend on the sensitivity of the information sent. Although many small-value disputes will not require confidentiality, you should avoid sending highly sensitive personal information in an e-mail. If the dispute itself involves highly sensitive personal information, consider using ADR programs that have secure Web pages to transmit information.
Does the provider have a privacy statement?
Consider whether the provider has a privacy statement, or otherwise indicates how your personal information will be used. Some ADR providers may ask your consent to make an anonymous version of the outcome of your dispute public. This information can be useful to other consumers evaluating whether to use a particular ADR provider and inform consumers with similar disputes about possible solutions.


Source: OECD's "Resolving E-Commerce Disputes Online: Ask the Rights Questions About ADR," which may be found at the OECD's Consumer Policy home page: www.oecd.org/sti/consumer-policy
 
Well my ML35 doesnt see over hills and mountains very well and we all know you cant drop probes on the side of mountains that look like that! I say its complete BULLSHIT and they need to put it back the way it was -PERIOD! MA-> :nutkick:

I apologize in advance for not spending the time to read all posts and If this post goes off topic.

In the past I have made a whine thread about the mountains hills etc in the game. The scenes are nice but totally impractical when someone is trying to hunt and mine. I know I am not much of an explorer and I am honestly not stimulated visually with all the hoopla graphics, however I think Mindark went overboard when they released vu 10 with tons and tons and tons of mountains. Yes there are been many tweeks even to the areas near the threads stater's landarea but seriously does every place need all these dam inclines, hills, mountians etc?

All it does it just makes hunters miss shots, and slow down while running to target the next mob. Also it slows down the ability to run in mining and you get more "you can't mine this area blah blah".

And if someone is thinking well just go hunt or mine somewhere else, I say thats nice you got that opinion but bah why should we have to? Seriously no one can tell me what all the hills and mountains function for other than an irratant in my honest opinion! Scenic stuff is great but seriously people do you go see every freaking hill and mountain and game getting that much joy :laugh:

Sorry for off topic rant I just hate seeing how things got changed for no logical reason. And I see the point of most views in this thread.

kosmos
 
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