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    Should FPC|MA change society terminals so that they kick out avatars that no longer exist?

    Should FPC|MA change society terminals so that it kicks out avatars that no longer exist? If an avatar is banned, or removed from the game due to inactivity for a very long period of time, should the society terminal automatically remove the avatar in question from the society list and/or disband the entire society once the avatar in question is removed from the game if the avatar in question was the society founder? The society could still be put back together by existing members if they chose to recreate it, with a new society created date, etc... just not leave the old founder listed if the old founder no longer exists...

    To me it seems rather silly to leave the banned or inactive avatars that no longer exist in the society terminal, especially since it's falsely advertising that the individual in question that no longer exists still exists and/or gives some older societies that have been around a long time some sort of "bragging rights" about how long they've been around that they should not be entitled too really... since their leader is no longer there... It's sort of similar to the problem I have with estate terminals leaving the old estate owners listed as the current owner until the new owner decides to actually claim the place, if they ever do decide to claim it at all... It's sort of falsely advertising that this great and mighty society founder person is still around... when they just might not be really...
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    Hate to do this, as it's almost stabbing friends in the back, but this multiple avatar/ethics issue is a big deal... and really makes me pretty mad when I think about it and how unfair and unbalanced the entire system is.

    Support - please reread support ticket 182226 which was submitted in March, which you did absolutely nothing about.

    Since you purchased the entropiaforum database, all the information described in that ticket is accessible to you, or should be... I'm very surprised you have done nothing about this blatent abuse of multiple avatars that was done to create the largest group of societies in game by a power hungry egomanic as some would describe him. Sorry to post this in public forum, but it is something you folks should take seriously, and that anyone seriously reading about this game should know about, or at least read about a little through this post and come to their own conclusions, as there is a lot under the surface that makes this game somewhat unfair and unbalanced even though it appears different on the surface to the n00b just starting.


    excerpt from that ticket, which is a quote from an entropiaforum subforum by someone who it should be easy to know who it is (not me)..
    All NBK societies were still run by me through my different avatars. (check the founder of the NBK Legion in the society terminal)
    check the founder of the NBK Legion in the society terminal)
    another excert (again this is not about me personally but someone involved with the society historically):
    I ended up mailing him my gold card, making him the leader, and giving him full access to my account.
    The response from support:
    Hi,
    Thank you very much for the detailed information. However, we are unsure of what exactly do you want us to do with it. Please let us know if there's something we can do to help you.
    Kind regards,
    Entropia Universe Support
    ...
    and later I sent a reply that among other things asked
    I guess my question then is... if ____(delted avatar name from quote)___ was a second avatar in 2005, and he is still listed in the Society info screens for NBK Legion - does that make the entire society invalid?
    ...
    and later in reply...
    Hi,
    We are sorry if our previous reply sounded like we didn't know what to do with multiple accounts, because that is not the case, we do have strict policies for this kind if issues and it is clearly stated on the EULA that you are only allowed to own one active avatar/account.
    What we meant by the previous reply is, that the case you submitted before did not clearly state what you were reporting or why. Nevertheless, please rest assured that we have further investigated your report and can say that this is not a case of multiple accounts, as you can see the information you submitted is very old and many things have happened since then.
    We hope you have a great time in Entropia Universe!
    Kind regards,
    Entropia Universe Support
    If this does get me kicked out of a society, so be it. Just pointing out that skeletons in closet should be cleaned, and with the soc. terminal left as it is showing old "founders" that may have been created in bad ways, it's not too clean... How much did support do? Go check the soc. terminals if you want. Have not done that in a while myself... They may have changed it, but may not have yet. (didn't change it last time I looked at terminal over the weekend - look at the "founder" of each NBK society that comes up when you search for NBK - look closely at the names... see some similarities?)

    Regardless, this just shows you how political games can be used or were in the past to create the societal structures that exist now... so the entire society is flawed in some major ways as the biggest group of invidividuals in game that are under an umbrella society may have been put under that umbrella in some no-too-fair ways that involved multiple avatars, shared avatars, and other issues...

    major issues that make this game highly unfair for individual avatars on many various levels... major issues that make inter-society competitions highly unfair and unbalanced... many many many problems that support completely ignores... Marco has said that all avatars are equal. Stuff like this and the multiple avatars that Neverdie and company have shows that's obviously not the case.
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    ---edit---
    not that it'll do much good I created a new support ticket about this matter due to the fact that the multiple avatar issues are big ones that seem to be everywhere you look in game on some levels... much discussion about a few specific cases is over at http://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/fo...s-this-allowed

    ==edit==
    http://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/fo...l=1#post618013
    who operates my old avatar
    Last edited by mastermesh; 12-26-2010 at 04:48.

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    yes they should

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wed View Post
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    yes they should

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    I second that

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    2004-12-21.

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    well, no. Im sure we are more than capable at governing ourselves, MA has given us the tools, we must use them appropriately.

    If the leader of a soc is inactive, the remaining members may vote and elect a new leader, demote the old one then kick him themselves, MA doesnt need to be involved

    If an inactive soc has an inctive leader then, how does that affect you or me?
    "the Longtooth wave shall be sent to you from above, and then when you grow to love it, it shall be taken from you, so that you may know how insignificant you are" Book of MA, verse 14.7, 2014

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    Introduce a monthly soc fee just like with apartments.

    10 peds per member.


    (Just kidding... hehehe...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by soLO 3000 View Post
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    well, no. Im sure we are more than capable at governing ourselves, MA has given us the tools, we must use them appropriately.

    If the leader of a soc is inactive, the remaining members may vote and elect a knew leader, demote the old one then kick him themselves, MA doesnt need to be involved

    If an inactive soc has an inctive leader then, how does that affect you or me?
    im pretty sure the top biggest soc are all inactive players. imo they should be removed once the majority of the members are deleted. otherwise they should just remove that list since it have no purpos atm.

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    If the leader of a soc is inactive, the remaining members may vote and elect a new leader, demote the old one then kick him themselves, MA doesnt need to be involved
    True... but we can't edit the "founder" listed... so we don't have total control over everything in the society terminal once a society is created... at least not yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mastermesh View Post
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    True... but we can't edit the "founder" listed... so we don't have total control over everything in the society terminal once a society is created... at least not yet.
    Well if the society still exists it doesn't matter if the founder is active/leader/deleted/banned or anything as he will always be the founder no matter what state the soc is in now as long as someone is still active enough to keep the soc alive.

    Ofcourse if the entire soc has passed the date by which their accounts cannot be re-activated then yeah delete the soc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mastermesh View Post
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    and/or disband the entire society once the avatar in question is removed from the game if the avatar in question was the society founder?
    Well no, there are quite a few old socs with the same time created still here so even if the founder no longer plays his account is terminated, the soc he created (still active and has someone else as a leader) shoudn`t be disbaned for sure and his name should remain as the founder of the soc for the poeple to remember.

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    Definitely No!

    What I would love to see instead would be offline messaging to the email account becoming available to the soc leader and that I as soc leader could at least get a rough display of the last log in time (Last logged in: Today, Yesterday, Some days ago, More than a week ago, More than a month ago, Avatar is deleted).

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