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Sn0wst0rm said:
Firstly compairing this game to poker is wrong, I received a ticket response the other day from MA and they assured me that this game is "not at all gambling" and that if I use the equipment to match my skills it would really help me. So everything must be predetermined and not "chance based".

Secondly, I would probably class those major hofs / ath's as a kind of loyalty reward.

Reffering to the above about MA's response to my ticket, I did actually say to them "How come I dont get the FREE drinks on the house" ( in reference to gambling in a casino) which is done to keep the punter paying :D
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I am starting to believe that EU is not gambling myself. At least in gambling there is a chance to win on ocassion. Here you dont win unless preapproved at the office I have begun to believe.

As far as the using the gear to match your skils they are probabaly right..Unfortunately the gear they speak of no longer drops and the resellers and betas are sitting on the ones that actualy do this.
 
lilac said:
I agree...

I'd be pissed if they rewarded the "high roller" type any more than the run of the mill 20$ a month depositor...

that being said... the 20$ a month people vs the non depositing people could make the difference between good vs. bad loot cycles, and the game growing vs not growing....

not to mention... people who actually deposit vs never depositing may get that first thrill of swirlies to get them hooked.

a small push could go a long way....
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I agree that some ppl in this game do not deserve more then they already have. IE the ones who just sits on land, comes online just to get there daily PED fix from taxes and dosnt actualy play the game.

However ive proposed idees of a reward system that actualy requires you to play the game.
 
lilac said:
how would you feel about having certain areas inaccessible as a non depositor....

I'm a depositor and i'd be pissed if something wasn't availible cause i skipped a month...
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This is was just a suggestion from one guy.

I do not think this is an idee that fits into the EU universee.
 
Sn0wst0rm said:
Firstly compairing this game to poker is wrong, I received a ticket response the other day from MA and they assured me that this game is "not at all gambling" and that if I use the equipment to match my skills it would really help me. So everything must be predetermined and not "chance based".

Secondly, I would probably class those major hofs / ath's as a kind of loyalty reward.

Reffering to the above about MA's response to my ticket, I did actually say to them "How come I dont get the FREE drinks on the house" ( in reference to gambling in a casino) which is done to keep the punter paying :D
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Actualy i think that a reward system will make the game less gambling.

Let me explain:

Now you can loose 10K PEDs hunting and still be on square 1, thats how pure gambling works.

But if you loose 10K PEDs hunting and actualy got an reward for doing so, then its no longer pure gambling.

This is reward system can go hand in hand with depositing, ie requiring you to hunt in order to reach a certain skill lvl before unlocking the reward.

You talk about ATHs/big hofs being an loyalty reward, if that was the case then everyone woud be entitled to one after some time.
We know that everyone isnt lucky enough to get one of them.
 
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Im going to explain my own situation for you guys:

Started out playing about 6 weeks ago and becouse i was an old player coming back i had no interest in starting with small mobs again.

I made bad decisions based on how the game was 5 years ago, i chipped to 3k rifle and started blasting small ambus with an Stark as 147.

Now my plan was to only use these ambus as skill mobs, woaaah i was in for suprise. I actualy i got an 8.6k hof the second day i played, i wasted those PEDs in about an week. After that i started reading here while using L weapons and i didnt loose peds quite that fast.

Anyway ive probly avaraged around a 3K PED loss every week ( dont have the exact numbers, i know ive deposit close to 30k and only have an avater worth 4k + skills) Imagine what this can do to you mentaly, it breaks you down completly.

Im abit of an gambling addict so ive ended up depositing pretty much all i had last month, also the money i was suppose to pay my bills with.
Sometimes i just cant controll myself :(

Now im forced to sell skills becouse i dont have any money left to deposit.
But the worst thing about this is that im still here, jumping on square 1 since i started.

This is why ive proposed an reward system for big depositors/players.
 
Edling said:
However Poker rooms reward loyal customers with points, rakeback, better customer support and entry to specific tournaments.
You get what you pay for, it have always ben like this.
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We already have rakeback - its called skills in this game. You can sell it at markup too ;)
 
lilac said:
how would you feel about having certain areas inaccessible as a non depositor....

I'm a depositor and i'd be pissed if something wasn't availible cause i skipped a month...
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I just threw out an idea, no need to get a fitt. And i never said anything about being locked out because you missed a month.
We were discussing rewrds for depositors, If you have deposited XX amount of $ then you are classed as a depositor, plain and simple. I for one dont give a rats a** whether people deposit or not but I don't want my deposited money going to non depositors ATH.

Let me throw an even more controversial idea att you. What if lootpool was split between non depositors and depositors? Gaming experience would be identical but lootpool for non depositors is built upp with the amount of ped non depositors generate. :eek::eek::eek:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm
 
remontoire said:
We already have rakeback - its called skills in this game. You can sell it at markup too ;)
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Aye but if you sell them then your also denying yourself progress in this game.

Skills is progress, there is no questline or similiar in this game.
Unless you count iron missions but i dont know about that, they are just an nice idee from MA, giving yourself an goal.
 
Edling said:
I agree that some ppl in this game do not deserve more then they already have. IE the ones who just sits on land, comes online just to get there daily PED fix from taxes and dosnt actualy play the game.

However ive proposed idees of a reward system that actualy requires you to play the game.
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So all this thread is just based on your jealousy about why other people can have this and that and not you, so you want something from MA instead?

Edling said:
This is reward system can go hand in hand with depositing, ie requiring you to hunt in order to reach a certain skill lvl before unlocking the reward.
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Iron missions/bronze missions, you get a reward when you have reached a certain "level"

Last post in here as I just see it as the answer to the first quote... PM me if you want a response


PS. sry to read about your serious personal gambling addiction, but would a reward make you less addictive or more?
 
what about loyalty points with a seperate market where you can use the points for temp boosts, priority withdrawals, name change, better storage, access to events, gifts ect.

you could give loyalty points for every hour logged in, every deposit, doing community services and so on. and you would spend/lose points when you do something against EULA, withdrawals, activity with no turnover.
 
jenny ferr said:
So all this thread is just based on your jealousy about why other people can have this and that and not you, so you want something from MA instead?


Iron missions/bronze missions, you get a reward when you have reached a certain "level"

Last post in here as I just see it as the answer to the first quote... PM me if you want a response


PS. sry to read about your serious personal gambling addiction, but would a reward make you less addictive or more?
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I dont realy know what your talking about.
About jealsy, this was just an reponse to another dude saying that i agree with him.

I admit that i am abit jealys on some ppl, but who isnt exactly ? i think that very few can honestly say that they are not.
But the ones im jealys off is likely to benefit from this system aswell.
You have completly missunderstod the whole meaing of this thread i see now.

I didnt come here to get my gambling addiction fixed, its not _normaly_ something that couses problem for me.

Ive made lots of money playing poker thanks to my gambling addiction.
 
Edling said:
The more you play the more you pay.

However Poker rooms reward loyal customers with points, rakeback, better customer support and entry to specific tournaments.
You get what you pay for, it have always ben like this.
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Isn't there already?

The real old, "loyal" players who were able to get repairable items in loot (without having to aim for 10k sizes of HOFs) like weapons, unique weapons like the battle axe, who were able to loot the top mindforce chips (which more or less by definition doesn't drop anymore).

And if you managed to collect enough skills, HP and gear, you're able to to the top mobs (eomon stalkers/daspletor stalkers) and have a better chance to loot items (tango SGA, a204 SGA) than the average player.

Problem with introducing a new loyalty program *today* would probably be, that there are like 10000 mid level players at about the same level, so the loyalty program wouldn't mean much in reality.

Edling said:
Some of us pay alot more to play the game then others and they get nothing in return for doing so. You are even charged with a fee for depositing money into the game.
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It's because you haven't played since 2003 or so; you weren't able to loot a few ML35/ML45's to sell at say 3k, and after having looted say 4-5 and sold didn't save the money to buy a land area, ie you didn't participate in the old loyalty program.

Keep in mind that the old loyalty program is to reward those that today have collected skills and gear. (Proteron adjustment, anyone?)

I know the feeling though. Been playing soon 5 years, and it feels MA throws items partly at ubers and partly at generally lucky people. Last item drop move; Omegaton 7a1 rifle Atrox (check) -> SEG (which I finally can kill)-> Warlock (I guess it's expensive to camp in, well, Rutuba(L))
 
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sob said:
what about loyalty points with a seperate market where you can use the points for temp boosts, priority withdrawals, name change, better storage, access to events, gifts ect.

you could give loyalty points for every hour logged in, every deposit, doing community services and so on. and you would spend/lose points when you do something against EULA, withdrawals, activity with no turnover.
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Yeah something like this , a good idee.
 
aia said:
Isn't there already?

The real old, "loyal" players who were able to get repairable items in loot (without having to aim for 10k sizes of HOFs) like weapons, unique weapons like the battle axe, who were able to loot the top mindforce chips (which more or less by definition doesn't drop anymore).

And if you managed to collect enough skills, HP and gear, you're able to to the top mobs (eomon stalkers/daspletor stalkers) and have a better chance to loot items (tango SGA, a204 SGA) than the average player.

Problem with introducing a new loyalty program *today* would probably be, that there are like 10000 mid level players at about the same level, so the loyalty program wouldn't mean much in reality.



It's because you haven't played since 2003 or so; you weren't able to loot a few ML35/ML45's to sell at say 3k, and after having looted say 4-5 and sold didn't save the money to buy a land area, ie you didn't participate in the old loyalty program.

Keep in mind that the old loyalty program is to reward those that today have collected skills and gear. (Proteron adjustment, anyone?)

I know the feeling though. Been playing soon 5 years, and it feels MA throws items partly at ubers and partly at generally lucky people.
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Having a loyalty program wich requires you to be one of those who played since 2004 isnt exactly fair to everyone.

Alltho i hate the fact that i had to quit , i woud have ben rich of by now if ive countined played ;)
 
Define Depositor!

What about the investors, that deposit only one time (large amount) to buy a LA, so that they can play for free in the future (from LA income).

What about the other investors that deposit only one time to get into trade business, and use only their profits for skilling, so that they never have to deposit again.

What about the depositors that hit big after depositing fair amount of PED, and now can play a year for free from their ATH ?

aso.

Now please define what you understand as a depositor?

Is it only the regular depositor that invests X PED/mounth, or is it every depositor that deposited at least one time?
Is there a limit that has to be hit, to count as a depsoitor that gets those rewards? Will say is there a set amount of total PED someone has to deposit to get a reward (see GC = 5k PED) or do you get a reward for every 10$ deposit?

EU is much more complex than pokergames, therefor a reward system, will automatically be unfair to some of the depositors that stopped depositing for some reason, or just paused depositing.

Well I like the gidts we get at Christmas or Helloween. As said a bove there are 3 of them. One for everyone, one for those that deposited a set amount of PED and one for the estate owners.

Thats enough free rewards, imho.
 
Reading a lot of posts here, I see a lot has totaly misunderstud the purpose
of a loyalty program.
Basic is that both sides gain on it (MA and players).
Forget the past, it's a question about the future. With a feature that
stimulate players to spend more RL money by a satisfying and fun game,
but just as much a boost for MAs RL economy. And they do need that.
 
Joat said:
Reading a lot of posts here, I see a lot has totaly misunderstud the purpose
of a loyalty program.
Basic is that both sides gain on it (MA and players).
Forget the past, it's a question about the future. With a feature that
stimulate players to spend more RL money by a satisfying and fun game,
but just as much a boost for MAs RL economy. And they do need that.
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Exactly! i coud not have said it better myself.
 
GoNi said:
Define Depositor!

What about the investors, that deposit only one time (large amount) to buy a LA, so that they can play for free in the future (from LA income).

What about the other investors that deposit only one time to get into trade business, and use only their profits for skilling, so that they never have to deposit again.

What about the depositors that hit big after depositing fair amount of PED, and now can play a year for free from their ATH ?

aso.

Now please define what you understand as a depositor?

Is it only the regular depositor that invests X PED/mounth, or is it every depositor that deposited at least one time?
Is there a limit that has to be hit, to count as a depsoitor that gets those rewards? Will say is there a set amount of total PED someone has to deposit to get a reward (see GC = 5k PED) or do you get a reward for every 10$ deposit?

EU is much more complex than pokergames, therefor a reward system, will automatically be unfair to some of the depositors that stopped depositing for some reason, or just paused depositing.

Well I like the gidts we get at Christmas or Helloween. As said a bove there are 3 of them. One for everyone, one for those that deposited a set amount of PED and one for the estate owners.

Thats enough free rewards, imho.
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If it was up to me, id make it so that you actualy have to work for your reward.
That means doing one of the 3 proffesions EU has to offer.

Anyway the exact the details on how such a system woud work is to much for me to figure out here and is best done by MA.
 
I sometimes deposited over 50k peds and didn't get any "special" gift from MA ... This is a legend i guess.

But, It would be realy great. For exemple an armor. If u depo over 30 k peds/ years u are gifted with one piece of armor (like mayem armor)/year. After 7 years of depositing u have ur full set.

Or a unlimited car ...
 
Hulyss said:
I sometimes deposited over 50k peds and didn't get any "special" gift from MA ... This is a legend i guess.
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Yeah and this is what we want to change.

Its possible that i dont get anything from it aswell if they decide to make a system that dosnt backtrack old deposits.
 
I dont think there is a good argument for saying that there is already some kind of reward system in the game.
(if you dont count the christmas gift)

Now there might be some kind of parameters wich increases the chance an old player gets an markup item in loot.
But as long as MA wont tell us about it, it dosnt exist either.
 
Edling said:
Aye but if you sell them then your also denying yourself progress in this game.

Skills is progress, there is no questline or similiar in this game.
Unless you count iron missions but i dont know about that, they are just an nice idee from MA, giving yourself an goal.
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I don't think so. Progress is not simply the mechanic of having a higher professional standing. Yes, if you sold out all skills on a regular basis, then sure, you would not be making much progress. If you took out your winnings and rakebacks and spent these, you would have made quite a lot of "negative progress" in poker too.

Consider a hypothetical player that has maxed p5a and that chips out his/her lwt and handgun every three months to keep these skills level. He/She would be both progressing and receiving a generous rakeback. Certain kinds of progress might not necessarily make sense for everybody.
 
remontoire said:
I don't think so. Progress is not simply the mechanic of having a higher professional standing. Yes, if you sold out all skills on a regular basis, then sure, you would not be making much progress. If you took out your winnings and rakebacks and spent these, you would have made quite a lot of "negative progress" in poker too.

Consider a hypothetical player that has maxed p5a and that chips out his/her lwt and handgun every three months to keep these skills level. He/She would be both progressing and receiving a generous rakeback. Certain kinds of progress might not necessarily make sense for everybody.
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You have a point i guess.
 
roughrider said:
I just threw out an idea, no need to get a fitt. And i never said anything about being locked out because you missed a month.
We were discussing rewrds for depositors, If you have deposited XX amount of $ then you are classed as a depositor, plain and simple. I for one dont give a rats a** whether people deposit or not but I don't want my deposited money going to non depositors ATH.

Let me throw an even more controversial idea att you. What if lootpool was split between non depositors and depositors? Gaming experience would be identical but lootpool for non depositors is built upp with the amount of ped non depositors generate. :eek::eek::eek:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm
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Hmm.. I said what I said to Kosmos...who identified herself as a non depositor... If i touched upon something you said and you felt you were being attacked it wasn't my intent.

I was actually asking a very successful non depositor (one who sees the need for more depositors) how she'd feel about about the part of the original proposal that called for a depositor area.

I didn't agree with that part (I did rep the post and award EFD though because it's a good discussion)


Back on topic though, I don't think that "once a depositor always a depositor" would be as effective as encouraging small monthly deposits.

I don't really think the game has a problem getting people to sink in thousands. It's done quite well with that. A lump sum deposit reward system might scare as many new depositors as it encourages.
 
sob said:
what about loyalty points with a seperate market where you can use the points for temp boosts, priority withdrawals, name change, better storage, access to events, gifts ect.

you could give loyalty points for every hour logged in, every deposit, doing community services and so on. and you would spend/lose points when you do something against EULA, withdrawals, activity with no turnover.
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when i supported the op this is what i had in mind. it wouldn't effect the current system or alienate people totally.. i would probably axe out a few things but some sort of non tradeable loyalty points towards some no tt gift would be good. yes i know we get gifts x times a year but why not offer something else to make people feel warm and fuzzy inside? Look at what credit card companies do with their reward programs as an example.

kosmos
 
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Your deposit is your reward
;)​

It allows
YOU
to play the Game
YOU
want to Play
:cool::cool::cool:

So why do you need more
The greed of the rich once again rears its ugly head
:(:(:(
​
 
Brooklyn said:
Your deposit is your reward
;)​

It allows
YOU
to play the Game
YOU
want to Play
:cool::cool::cool:

So why do you need more
The greed of the rich once again rears its ugly head
:(:(:(
​
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Baaaah shut up! ;)
 
Brooklyn said:
Your deposit is your reward​





;) ​

It allows
YOU
to play the Game
YOU
want to Play
:cool::cool::cool:​

So why do you need more
The greed of the rich once again rears its ugly head
:(:(:(​
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I agree. :) So therefor the non-depositors should not play the game... :D ;) nah, j/k, they
are needed too.
Even thou' you made a joke here, any idea for a bonussystem? ;)
And remember, both players and MA should gain from it, imo.
Ah, btw, you had a letter to much in this one:
Your deposit is your reward​
I guess it should be:​
Your deposit is our reward​
 
Brooklyn said:
Your deposit is your reward
;)​

It allows
YOU
to play the Game
YOU
want to Play
:cool::cool::cool:

So why do you need more
The greed of the rich once again rears its ugly head
:(:(:(
​
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Not entirely true.
I deposit so that EVERYBODY can play game. If all depositors stopped then what do you expect would happen to EU?
There are no poor players in EU...If you can afford to play att all then you:

a: Have a pc capable of running the game
b: Have sufficient bandwidth to run the game
c: Have sufficient time to play the game

That is not considered poor in ANY PART OF THE WORLD

So stop throwing moral inuendoes att depositors as if all we want to do is crack down on non depositors.
I have NEVER played a game where players are as generous and kind as EU players are.
I craft armour and weapons often enough for no other reason than to help new players in the game hoping to give them a good enough experience so that they might consider continuing and hopefully depositing (investing in the game) making my playing experience better.

Entropia is like a company with stocks. Depositors are shareholders and in my opinion i think that the shareholders deserve a larger chance of return than non-shareholders, unfortunately that is not how it works today.
 
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