Many many ppl leaving, I tink sometihng should be done

Hello guys,

I'm part of a nice and big soc. but something is happening in it and inside EU aswell.
Many many ppl leaving and MA will have to do something about it.

In the last mounth, 3 of my clannies left becose they cannot afford to play EU.
If you look at the trading section, really many ppl selling out, skills, anything.
Most common reason is: " I cannot afford to play EU anymore".

Now, I guess this post is useless but I just want to express myself.
It's time to do something about it. Increase the loot, make something cheaper, don't try to take all from us.
It's a pain like this.

It's a pain to see friends quitting.

I know many ppl cant wait to write: You're free to go if you don't like something.
Here's the fact: many ppl are doing this.

Peace.

Most common cause if the delayed effect of the recession IRL. Which finally started to affect the community and the economy of EU. Prices will be dropping (Bubble effect) extremely in the next few months.
After which people probably will start buying the cheap items, which has increase on the economy again, a positive effect.

Most of the RL economies are stabilizing at the moment. But in EU this will take some time as the recession is just hitting the RCE of EU now.

Time will tell.

Ma once said .... "we never said is was going to be cheap".

Leaving now does seem like a wrong thing to do ... new planets will probably change a lot of stuff in the longer run. Well, at least those which are in "competition" with MA, so no ND ones ofc.

Everyone can afford this game its just a matter of which level you decide to play on, tell your quitting/leaving friends: If your current lvl is to expensive pick a lower one.

/Wille

Unearth said:

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It's time to do something about it. Increase the loot, make something cheaper, don't try to take all from us.
It's a pain like this.

It's a pain to see friends quitting.
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If u mean to lower the MU more... than I can say, that is the wrong way... by doing that everything will get more expensive.

we need some more balancing there.

But i hope for improvment aswel... the problem im waiting for more than 1 year for that

Wille said:

Everyone can afford this game its just a matter of which level you decide to play on, tell your quitting/leaving friends: If your current lvl is to expensive pick a lower one.

/Wille

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The problem is that, after five years ingame, it's no longer fun to shoot a gazillion of argo youngs, corns, low level drones et al. You want to be at least on the same "excitement level" as you were when you had jsut started playing, and for that to occur after several years ingame you need to hunt bigger mobs. And the cost to hunt those nowadays is just simply ridiculous...

There's always something to do.. it's just that spending peds in the game is more fun.. the bigger mob, the big amp, the higher level BP.. I guess in RL things get boring also.. what do you do then.. quit RL.. or wait until sunshine after the rain..

Dav said:

The problem is that, after five years ingame, it's no longer fun to shoot a gazillion of argo youngs, corns, low level drones et al. You want to be at least on the same "excitement level" as you were when you had jsut started playing

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i chipped out most of my skills and after a year break its fun to hunt such smallstuff again and best of all you move up fast ...hunting smallstuff and loose 50 ped but win 1 health is a bit more fun than kill hogglos, win nothing else than 0.01 health and 1 Point in Evade and loose 1 K

so its not a problem is just an issue to think about and keep yourself in balance and satisfied

There is a place in RL similar like EU.

Some people go there regurlarly and enjoy it like a passtime, controlling their spendings.

But most people go away annoyed when loosing some, because their expectations were too high.
Also most people even stay away from those places because they know its addictions are dangerouse.

Then alot of people who don't know about this place take a look, some stay, most of them go.

In this place, you can make friends, but you can never tell when they will be back the next time, or perhaps never come back.

think positive? not anymore possible

It is nice to think positive ! but what happens now is far away of that. Not only the RL finance crisis is the problem. MA made the game much more expensive. Just use a mk2 and you will see that you get at every mob 1-7 misses. Some time i get more miss on a mob as i do hit. This is just a examble. MA try us to make more deposite... But this shot going back, and let ppl stop to depo. So they have to make all more expensive again. I supported that game since a while with 100-250 usd per month, but now... i do stop it. no fun to lost the same cash in 50% of the time it was befor some months. This game going more and more empty.. and i think is just about more nerfs and more bad loot. Most ppl lost to think positive, if most things are negative.

Playing at the same level does not appear to have gotten any more expesive, if anything, some previsouly useless looted things have a markup now. Of course, if you go from hunting daikiba to hunting feffoids your costs will go up.

trance said:

It is nice to think positive ! but what happens now is far away of that. Not only the RL finance crisis is the problem. MA made the game much more expensive. Just use a mk2 and you will see that you get at every mob 1-7 misses. Some time i get more miss on a mob as i do hit. This is just a examble. MA try us to make more deposite... But this shot going back, and let ppl stop to depo. So they have to make all more expensive again. I supported that game since a while with 100-250 usd per month, but now... i do stop it. no fun to lost the same cash in 50% of the time it was befor some months. This game going more and more empty.. and i think is just about more nerfs and more bad loot. Most ppl lost to think positive, if most things are negative.

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wondering what your sniper lvl be... not saying you low lvl but if you use a mk2 justie and losing maybe bit to low skilled for unlimited (not saying you are just asking)

seeing i will loosse on using a mk2 justie seeing i have 5/10 ha on it, however if i use L or maxed NON L sibs i never loosse on my overal returns. sure some runs suck and i take a 30% loss , but never ever dident it not come back (wel at least 90% in tt).

I think a lot of older style players just dident adept to the new items (sib stuff L armors) ,took me a while to change my way but since i switch to 10/10 ha weapons it dont even matter what i do it will be break even at least if i keep going. (in fact alway's profiting on MU but wont claim that goes for all )

Dav said:

The problem is that, after five years ingame, it's no longer fun to shoot a gazillion of argo youngs, corns, low level drones et al. You want to be at least on the same "excitement level" as you were when you had jsut started playing, and for that to occur after several years ingame you need to hunt bigger mobs. And the cost to hunt those nowadays is just simply ridiculous...

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Switch to melee or mindforce instead of using guns then.

Problem is not the leaving , even if i do think some change has to be done to increase player retention.

Problem is there is not enought new player coming.MA need puch more advert , and make good advert...
They try to get new player for "free"...with lots of stupid PR.while it may work from point to point , it not enought to keep a good growing rate in player base...

They should try to improve the advert system they have.

skunkjunk said:

wondering what your sniper lvl be...

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lev 48 laser lev 47 blp sniper . and the mk2 was just a examble... i use this gun only at mining , for hunts i use other guns. and what i mean are more nerfs... and less loot (much no loters and novas) i use mk2 since 5 years.

If i really hunt then i use cb24-26.. but then my looses going much faster... my last 4 or 5 full tt cb24 not pay back the cost, and im sure payback was far away of your 90% lucky payback.

Yes, game need a lot of new players. But most of new players wont deposit. Before they test it. And what most people do ? They sweat. And when they found out, they need to sweat 4-5 hours to get some 2 K sweat. And with sweat price around 3-3.5 . Its a little ammo. for little period of fun. Yes, you can try sell it for 4 and more, but that require a lot of time. And if you are new, you dont wanna wait . What would help, if they added MF phase 2 . And there more chips which would use Regular ME. Not only TP chip, which is use rarely, because a lot of people got a car.

At least 2-3 chips which would use regular ME. And then sweat price will go up and newbies could sweat lesser time.


Redesigning PA And swamp camp, is secondary problem .

someone said on well known MMORPG portal that it is imposible to lost in MMO game....EU proved it wrong. Quiting MMORPG is oldscholol "GAME OVER"

As for advertising is not that MA is doing not much...if we look at other games, MA is not doing ANYTHING in comparison to them. Stupid browser games have more internet add than EU. I never saw any EU comercial...

Ondrej Melich said:

Yes, game need a lot of new players. But most of new players wont deposit. Before they test it. And what most people do ? They sweat. And when they found out, they need to sweat 4-5 hours to get some 2 K sweat. And with sweat price around 3-3.5 . Its a little ammo. for little period of fun. Yes, you can try sell it for 4 and more, but that require a lot of time. And if you are new, you dont wanna wait . What would help, if they added MF phase 2 . And there more chips which would use Regular ME. Not only TP chip, which is use rarely, because a lot of people got a car.

At least 2-3 chips which would use regular ME. And then sweat price will go up and newbies could sweat lesser time.


Redesigning PA And swamp camp, is secondary problem .

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Yes EU need improve the test system.
Many game offer a 10 or 15 days trial.so people can test game for that time and decide to pay their month fee or go play something else...In EU you somehow have to pay to test the game.

I think the arival area with the quest , should be improved even more...
There things should be 1/100 of rest of game in cost...
Weapon should use 5 amo , kill mobs with 50 HP , and loot some blazar of what ever...
But people should get way more amo and bomb to test game...they should also get out of that place with empty avatar so no mix with rest of game...
I understand MA dont want player to gain free ped in test area...
I think its up to MA to make that possible...

trance said:

It is nice to think positive ! but what happens now is far away of that. Not only the RL finance crisis is the problem. MA made the game much more expensive. Just use a mk2 and you will see that you get at every mob 1-7 misses. Some time i get more miss on a mob as i do hit. This is just a examble. MA try us to make more deposite... But this shot going back, and let ppl stop to depo. So they have to make all more expensive again. I supported that game since a while with 100-250 usd per month, but now... i do stop it. no fun to lost the same cash in 50% of the time it was befor some months. This game going more and more empty.. and i think is just about more nerfs and more bad loot. Most ppl lost to think positive, if most things are negative.

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Ever thought its your fault you can`t afford? People always search the problem away from themselves... Your mk2 example just proves it even more... Maybe you shoudn`t use a gun like that? There are non-depositors that can survive and many can do it without reselling and similar activities. Use your brains dooh


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mczimi said:

If u mean to lower the MU more... than I can say, that is the wrong way... by doing that everything will get more expensive.

we need some more balancing there.

But i hope for improvment aswel... the problem im waiting for more than 1 year for that

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No, id doesen't mean low the MU. Means: Give us better loot, maybe lower the price on ammo, do something about decay.... Anything that can
make a life of a normal person more confortable and not just giving the feeling: Shit.. I lost all again.

Micheva said:

Most common cause if the delayed effect of the recession IRL. Which finally started to affect the community and the economy of EU. Prices will be dropping (Bubble effect) extremely in the next few months.
After which people probably will start buying the cheap items, which has increase on the economy again, a positive effect.
Most of the RL economies are stabilizing at the moment. But in EU this will take some time as the recession is just hitting the RCE of EU now.
Time will tell.

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it's exactly the opposite: when recession, gambling games are allways super-healthy, dreams become necessary when we cannot project our money success in the society we're living. lotery and jackpot-alike games popularity is even bigger when you go in a very poor country for that reason. (not to mention a big poker room that just celebrated 50 billions hands played when the 40 billions whas not even 1 year ago. ) And MA certainly perfectly understood it and adapted their big loot system to make it spit greater and greater numbers, not once in a month but every 2 days ;-)) and see the results: how many more players are running cnd with big amps and killing big mobs in the hope to "Finally"(sic) hit the big!!
However imo the persons leaving are not directly because of the recession, it doesn't make them invest much less in the game,but more because of what MA did to take advantage of irl recession to attract more people, eventually to make actual players deposit more. It is due to retribution mechanics, the 20% return for hundreds and ATH for one. This variability in the outcomes is in the same time killing game by frustration and makes ppl leave, but in the same time it certainly makes the actual big players deposit even more because it tend to make one loose his rationalism when seeing these big numbers..so it is certainly retaining the less healthy players lol the others, instead of beeing able to ply 25 days with their deposit, are broken after 3 days even with opalo on daikibas, just because they wanted to play 3 hours instead of 2 a. And as they are reasonnable they don't deposit more and finish by leaving the game because they have no control on what they do.
You're right about the low items little up in mu and sales, but it's not due to recession, but again because some ppl cannot afford to play their previous level wich was going well for them monthes before, because of this variance affecting a standard run that makes you bankrupt in 4 cycles. Again it is due to how MA tried to act exactly like poker and casino rooms that every day make more jackpots and things likeso but the difference is in the rooms it does not affect the ratio of your good hands at tables and what you do with them, or the ratio you're loosing/winning at a slot machine. When in EU this strategy affects negatively directly every player on the ground, even the one that gets ath because he will go probably loose for ages after that

What i tried to say is that althought the recession did not impact EU or any money game negatively, all of them "used" the recession to attract more people with jackpots, but MA is the only one able to change the probabilities of what you get in the loot window, and so that crap balance we have, and probably the only one that had to "fake" it, in the lotery and online rooms they did naturally attract more people so the jackpots increased, then they have promotional partners, but MA had to tune the ATH system it was not naturally build by more frequentation, and the only having no money incoming by beeing partners of big events like W/EPT tournaments that have never been so popular than now in crisis time!
They act like poker and casino rooms in every move, it's just they are not supposed to be so and hence they sure are not, as wherever poker room i go I allways have 1/13 to get an ace on the first card i recieve.
And i'm sure MA is not making more money in% with this balance system, but if it increased the amount deposited and cycled (through 109' runs hihi) they will go on, even if the players base decrease by 3x, even if there was only 3 persons left but depositing 1 millions each a month ..
I agree with op, something should be done

regards
Filibert

Futurama said:

Ever thought its your fault you can`t afford? People always search the problem away from themselves... Your mk2 example just proves it even more... Maybe you shoudn`t use a gun like that? There are non-depositors that can survive and many can do it without reselling and similar activities. Use your brains dooh


EDIT: Saw your reply - still your doing something wrong obviously...

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hmm. i do same is i ever do since 5 years,,, and it use more cash as ever befor for same game play. This is a fact.. i do wrong to depo, yes, but now my depo is freez, like a lot other ppl doing. This just say, why less ppl play .. this was the question from op. And i say why i do less play now... i coult give you a lote more examples... not only mk2 is nerf to make tonns of misses. IT IS FACT; THAT MA TRY TO GET MORE FROM US !!! but may some ppl are just blind and ignore all the facts... or maybe they just have a lucky ava... my ava is one of the unlucky ones... and now you all know, why i dont depo anymore... also about no make up is back.. fight with MA to get back my shop etc etc... it happens too much bad things, and im not alone... so no wonder ppl play less or stop !

AtamiKiangola said:

Ma once said .... "we never said is was going to be cheap".

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Link please

That actually would be nice if they really did, There's something good to be said for truth in advertising.
The EU economy really doesn't need any more "free to play" clientele.

And starting up the advertising program again would help things alot as well.

trance said:

It is nice to think positive ! but what happens now is far away of that. Not only the RL finance crisis is the problem. MA made the game much more expensive. Just use a mk2 and you will see that you get at every mob 1-7 misses. Some time i get more miss on a mob as i do hit. This is just a examble. MA try us to make more deposite... But this shot going back, and let ppl stop to depo. So they have to make all more expensive again. I supported that game since a while with 100-250 usd per month, but now... i do stop it. no fun to lost the same cash in 50% of the time it was befor some months. This game going more and more empty.. and i think is just about more nerfs and more bad loot. Most ppl lost to think positive, if most things are negative.

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That is the truth that everyone is try it out! When I first started playing, if I made a deposit of 50 dollar is likely that money would be enough to play at a good level at least a week (Atrox, drones, ambulimax, etc.).
Today 50 dollar lucky last 5 hours on my own ... and this is the biggest difference!
It is normal that not everyone has the patience that is asked to wait a good loot to save the situation!
Simply is not as fun to play as it was when I started, and in this situation are many of my friends I made here! Many are taking breaks, others simply have tired of watching their money just fly away!
As I read somewhere, it's all about dynamic ... or lack of it!

I think comments like "use your brain doh" are not really any useful... If anything, they tend to make me even more mad... I've hit some great loots, and I've tryed a lot of different combinations of gear.. Up until recently I was able to control my expenses with some precision... Of course, I would sometimes loose more, sometimes would loose big, but that was MY choice. I wanted to risk more, I wanted to try new things...

Right now, when I set off to hunt, I have no idea what will happen... Except for one thing: most time I'll loose, and I'll loose big... I like the gambling factor of EU, I really do... But it's getting excessive, or at least I feel like it is... I do not like to loose this much, just in hope of hitting a uber loot... I know I'll loose, but I want to play with a budget and have fun, at least some fun... Hope of hitting uber is not everything that entertains me...

Not sure if i'm making any sense, but in honesty I'm getting more and more disapointed... Well, disapointed is not the correct expression. I'm getting worried, that's more like it... Even if I'm one of the few that it's on a plus (and it was not due to knowleade of any kind, it was pure luck), the last month or so has really worried me... Precisely because luck seems to be all that cares...

I really hope someone makes me change my mind, so carry on disagreeing

Trucidator said:

I think comments like "use your brain doh" are not really any useful... If anything, they tend to make me even more mad...

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That's what all the usual suspects are tying to, piss you off.
They keep telling you it's raining while MA is pissing on your head.

Fanbois ignore the simple fact that MA does NOT print money, they take peds from many and give to some.

~CHOPPER~ said:

Fanbois ignore the simple fact that MA does NOT print money, they take peds from many and give to some.

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it´s all about this ..

trance said:

lev 48 laser lev 47 blp sniper . and the mk2 was just a examble... i use this gun only at mining , for hunts i use other guns. and what i mean are more nerfs... and less loot (much no loters and novas) i use mk2 since 5 years.

If i really hunt then i use cb24-26.. but then my looses going much faster... my last 4 or 5 full tt cb24 not pay back the cost, and im sure payback was far away of your 90% lucky payback.

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hmm i higly doubt i got my lvl 55 laser pist lvl 51 ranged laser and my lvl 49 laser sniper on luck...
And how can you use a mk2 justie you now state you only use to mine as excample for hunting returns???

And what you call luck 90% return rate on average in TT ( accually bit higher for me but then again i am above average cheap ass), i call solid play seeing at least 10 of my soccies doing it the same way and all break even or profit.

But to maybe help out (and dont mean this degenerat but it is with best intentions) re assest what you do and especially reasses the mob you hunt (hp and regen maybe a thing to look at??)

trance said:

It is nice to think positive ! but what happens now is far away of that. Not only the RL finance crisis is the problem. MA made the game much more expensive. Just use a mk2 and you will see that you get at every mob 1-7 misses. Some time i get more miss on a mob as i do hit. This is just a examble. MA try us to make more deposite... But this shot going back, and let ppl stop to depo. So they have to make all more expensive again. I supported that game since a while with 100-250 usd per month, but now... i do stop it. no fun to lost the same cash in 50% of the time it was befor some months. This game going more and more empty.. and i think is just about more nerfs and more bad loot. Most ppl lost to think positive, if most things are negative.

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Stinks that you're frustrated, but really, if you've played 5 years and paid the equivolent of 50 years worth of 15$ a month subscriptions, I doubt anyone from MA would look at that as evidence of failure from either a business or a player retention standpoint.

quitting games after a few months or a year is normal, if anything, I think EU does really well with the amount of players who stick around as long as they do.

Etopia said:

Problem is not the leaving , even if i do think some change has to be done to increase player retention.

Problem is there is not enought new player coming.MA need puch more advert , and make good advert...
They try to get new player for "free"...with lots of stupid PR.while it may work from point to point , it not enought to keep a good growing rate in player base...

They should try to improve the advert system they have.

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I agree...

we have pretty much average or above average retention, but not enough people coming in to really grow the game as much as some games have grown... and high initial game cost leads to some not so good word of mouth advertising.

skunkjunk said:

And how can you use a mk2 justie you now state you only use to mine as excample for hunting returns???

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This was one example to say, that we get more MISS .. and stay not for hunt examples! more miss = more peds for MA, thats the way we go. Also more no loot and tonnes of usless NOVA. And i remember that MARCO said: we remove no loot im sure that was a big jocke