Many many ppl leaving, I tink sometihng should be done

I would really like to get into crafting but it is too expensive, especially at low skill levels. It seems that his is an occupation that is not open to newer players if they are going to be sensible about their costs. Seems to me that crafting is fundamentally screwed up.
Don't knock it til you try it. Many basic filters can be made with little cash on the pedcard... and in some cases, you actually might come out getting back more residue then you are putting in.

I used to hunt a lot, but then switched to crafting after vu 10 due to the fact that lag was keeping me from staying alive long. Crafting is nice since you can control it more... you know you will likely get back what you are crafting, residue, or blueprints. With hunting, you don't know if you'll get back uber armor, an s30, pixie parts, animal oil, or something else, maybe even, a lot more often then you want - nothing... you also have no idea how much decay your armor will take since mobs can spawn on you at any time. Crafting still has no loots too, but a heck of a lot less armor decay.
 
Crafting still has no loots too, but a heck of a lot less armor decay.

and a hell of a lot less gameplay, which is what most of us want out of EU.

All you have to do is stand at a crafting machine, drag in some resources, a bp and then click the auto use button. Not exactly an andrenalin rush.
 
I did an argo hunt this morning. Korss H400/A104. Burned 160 PED ammo, plus the 40 PED (or just about) TT of the amp. My armor/fap decay costs were MAYBE 5 PED.

So.... 205 PED cost PLUS decay on H400 (apprx. 17 PED w/MU)

222 PED cost.
Return with MU 81 PED!

Now this is VERY VERY low return.... even for my 65% avg. HOWEVER.... this is the exact reason why people quit. They depo 20 bucks U.S. And lose it all in an hour on their first Daik hunt. WoW costs what.... about 50 bucks for 44 hrs or something? (I've never played WoW but I believe that's what I've been told.... plz correct me if I'm wrong).

So.... ppl sign up.... depo 20 bucks... and go back to their old game. This has a "butterfly effect" thus eventually lowing the market on the high level players gear due to less ped being cycled. The high level players realize they will lose potentially 50k US or more over the next couple years at this rate so they chip out and withdraw.... or.... at least sell out and keep PEDs on the PED card until economy starts to pick back up.... regardless.... they don't cycle the 100k PED/day that they used to years ago.

IMO.... get rid of the ATH's temporarily and spread that loot out more in globals/small HoF's to increase avg return rates. When the economy picks back up (which it will in time) then go back to the old system of 1 or 2 ATH's /week.

Menace
 
IMO.... get rid of the ATH's temporarily and spread that loot out more in globals/small HoF's to increase avg return rates. When the economy picks back up (which it will in time) then go back to the old system of 1 or 2 ATH's /week.

Menace

fully agree with that.. we all need a better feeling. ATHs dont helps. We need more globals and swirlies:) may this would help to stay a bit longer.
 
Don't knock it til you try it. Many basic filters can be made with little cash on the pedcard... and in some cases, you actually might come out getting back more residue then you are putting in.

I used to hunt a lot, but then switched to crafting after vu 10 due to the fact that lag was keeping me from staying alive long. Crafting is nice since you can control it more... you know you will likely get back what you are crafting, residue, or blueprints. With hunting, you don't know if you'll get back uber armor, an s30, pixie parts, animal oil, or something else, maybe even, a lot more often then you want - nothing... you also have no idea how much decay your armor will take since mobs can spawn on you at any time. Crafting still has no loots too, but a heck of a lot less armor decay.

Well actually I did try crafting but reluctantly set it aside owing to the impact on my ped reserves. I obtained some lvl 1 blueprints and gave it a go. My experience was that the failure rate was quite high owing to low skills and that the cost of inputs was quite a bit more than the expected sale price of outputs. No doubt there are smart ways to craft just as there are smart ways to hunt, but for the newer player it feels like a moneypit. And that makes me a little sad cos I really like the idea of crafting.

I've learned how to manage the variabilty in mob loot. I tend to stick with one mob for a while. For example with argos u are mostly going to get animal eye oil, iron, brown paint plus lesser amounts of half a dozen or so other items. More rarely you get other types of loot. I accumulate stackables and dont sell till they reach around 100 ped in value. With iron and animal eye oil thats a frequent occurance, other stackables can take quite some time. So I have around 500 ped TT in stackables waiting in storage. And I have contingency plans for disposing of significant amounts if it becomes necessary.

The only time I have trouble with spawning mobs is when I go afk. Bad things often happen if u arent paying attention to what is going on around you. Even then my armour decay is not too bad. I love plates. Of course at my level I am not hunting the really big mobs and my armour is correspondingly cheaper so the risks are fairly low.

Regards,
KikkiJikki
 
I think the problem many people have, is they think EU is limited to the professions and that everything costs ped.


Youve got to think outside the box, theres so much you can do without spending anything. Heck with my 2 services, ETA and EUWV i could play eu completely free if i wanted to. Without collecting sweat and without spending any ped.


Its the state of mind that needs to change.
 
hmm I think some loot balancing won`t hurt... i mean some noob just looted vigi helm out of a baby cornu. That`s nice and I don`t envy ppl for that. Then again in my 80kped turnover I logged on upper mid lvl creatures I didn`t loot an UL item of that value. I mean vigi helm is not even that expensive but I think it shows the point. How much turnover could that noob`ve created with opalo+a101 so far? I think 2kped would be a shitload of shots allready...

So why would you continue playing as a mid lvl player when you see things like that all the time but way less loots like that for the mayority of the player base -> mid level.
 
I think the problem many people have, is they think EU is limited to the professions and that everything costs ped.


Youve got to think outside the box, theres so much you can do without spending anything. Heck with my 2 services, ETA and EUWV i could play eu completely free if i wanted to. Without collecting sweat and without spending any ped.


Its the state of mind that needs to change.

That's kind of a good point. Second life is FULL of people and there's no lottery to win there. If people used EU for interactive entertainment, then hunted, mined, crafted like they would do extra curriculars IRL, then it wouldn't be so bad.

Menace
 
I think the point is that many people (including myself) look at EU primarly as a game... And are not looking for something so demanding... Not that it's a bad thing that the possibilities are there, in fact that's what make EU to be potentially one of the best products out there... The problem is that, in my opinion, the "official activities" are getting unbearable. And the avarage player, may not have time to do much more then a little hunting/mining/crafting everyday... Remember that SL has the tools to be creative in a somewhat "official" mode, and even so takes lots of time and dedication to be successeful... But hey, that's what people go there looking for... Are they looking for that in EU?
 
to OP

To OP. I think you are right this game is bound to crash. I will be development on this new "Cryengine" will grind MA to complete stop. My estimate: january 1st 2008 servers go offline and we will all have to wait for Spore.
 
To OP. I think you are right this game is bound to crash. I will be development on this new "Cryengine" will grind MA to complete stop. My estimate: january 1st 2008 servers go offline and we will all have to wait for Spore.

2008? Maybe not.
 
Ma should work on retention on all levels. I think recently they have tried a bit of help for new player experience.

Btw i have a question why do people type walls of text? i tend to skim or skip those posts. maybe the internet has made me lazy or i don't come here to read a novel.

kosmos
 
Dynamic loot of EU is at the worst stage for me atm and I bet, for alot others too. This is because Balance manager is not doing his/her job.

Here are skills I was able to scan when balance manager showed up as Zombie mob :p

Tier sucess new player to Tier 1.0 <5%
ATH/massive HoF to nib =Gift coupon to Hawaii vacation = FU campers and vet players
Loot Return <80%
Beer Belly - Massive :D

I hope Balance guy or whoever that balancing loot guy reads these post and learn wtf they should do rather than porn browsing at work.
 
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Loot seems to be fine for the past two months for me :scratch2:
 
Hi,

didn't read all, so maybe I'm repeating what another person wrote before.

Why do I play close to no more anymore? Why do other players leave?

Well, lemme show you what my last short hunt looked like. I came online after a few weeks of not playing, and decided to whack a few mobs:

See what I mean? This was about 10 - 20 bigger Snables, killed with cheapest weapons and w/o armor.

No difference if I used maxed weapons (here: CB5 (L) and TT sword) or old style stuff (here: A&P Brave ME and Maddox I) - misses over misses. And loot to vomit - low value TT fodder, or stuff where I'd need to collect insane amounts to be able to sell for a MU at all. If loot at all - a very high amount of no looters again.

Friends and neighbors, this is not what is considered fun and entertainment, and it doesn't make me want to deposit anymore.

I'm playing for 5 years now, and it has become worse & worse. PE back then wasn't a cheap game, it was necessary to use a serious buck to have fun, a lot more compared to other games. But it has changed over time - the amount of money necessary to actually play this game has multiplied. The "loop holes" that made it possible to survive with a low budget have been successively closed.

It has become more gambling than ever. The loot distribution has shifted - where it once was possible to survive, and to have fun, with small to medium sized mobs (when hunting) this doesn't make any sense anymore. Without hitting serious globals any hunt is doomed, and it has become the flavor of the game to go for insanely expensive mobs, rolling huge dices.

There, at the huge, expensive mobs, or at mining with huge, expensive gear, there's the money today, there's where the returns are given. Huge stakes, huge ATH's, huge chances for serious losses. The people rolling smaller dices rarely see anything of value in loot anymore, they're looting TT fodder or stuff that doesn't have any PED value at all. If they don't suffer huge numbers of empty mobs.

Medium gear is losing it's value very fast, the stuff once bought for serious money has become a failed investment - too much once expensive stuff has been devaluated with the new (L) gears, and it has been missed to balance this change. The (L) gear (and especially the UL equivalents) isn't available in the loot for the ones that would need it, it drops for the ones that already have by far better gear. BP's for the gear that has demand are looted rarely, and when, by the few remaining high skill crafters.

Friends and neighbors, this is not what is considered fun and entertainment, and it doesn't make me want to deposit anymore.

Besides all of this nothing has really changed. EU still plays as clumsy as ever, game controls still are working like in an 80's game, unresponsive, laggy, and for this we suffer insane hardware requirements that repel quite some new players - sandbox games like this one are living from constant participation, from the possibility to log in often to keep social contacts, & to watch the auctions. EU today doesn't run on a typical business machine anymore, we'd need at least a small gamer computer, and this makes it impossible to chat with the Soc, or to check the auction, during our noon break at the office.

Is it really "good programming" to release such a beast? Even on a machine that runs Crysis smoothly in high details EU feels like a snail in concrete ...

PE once had a "special offer" - strange ppl running around in a strange world, fighting strange monsters. This has gone with the Barbiesation of characters. Now something-similar- to-RL Barbie & Ken clones are duking it out, in a world full of hills, cliffs & obstacles.
Not exactly what provides fun & entertainment, right?

And to come to an end, current EU has moved to a place where it caters just the few remaining, high skilled members anymore. IMHO.
Any newcomers, or medium skilled avatars are left out. Loot is at Leviathans, Proterons and such - cannot kill? Eat dirt. All serious loot is distributed in them exclusively, with very few exceptions.

Friends and neighbors, this is not what is considered fun and entertainment, and it doesn't make me want to deposit anymore.

Finally:

Btw i have a question why do people type walls of text? i tend to skim or skip those posts. maybe the internet has made me lazy or i don't come here to read a novel.

There was ages when humans wrote books. Right, books - thick, heavy, long, really "walls of text". It was seen in this times to be a particular feature of education to be able to read, and to understand these. What you describe as "walls of text" or "novels" today isn't more but a short letter - have we really already lost the capability of understanding more but a 2min youtube clip?

Have fun!
 
Hi,

didn't read all, so maybe I'm repeating what another person wrote before.

Why do I play close to no more anymore? Why do other players leave?

Well, lemme show you what my last short hunt looked like. I came online after a few weeks of not playing, and decided to whack a few mobs:

See what I mean? This was about 10 - 20 bigger Snables, killed with cheapest weapons and w/o armor.

No difference if I used maxed weapons (here: CB5 (L) and TT sword) or old style stuff (here: A&P Brave ME and Maddox I) - misses over misses. And loot to vomit - low value TT fodder, or stuff where I'd need to collect insane amounts to be able to sell for a MU at all. If loot at all - a very high amount of no looters again.

Friends and neighbors, this is not what is considered fun and entertainment, and it doesn't make me want to deposit anymore.

I'm playing for 5 years now, and it has become worse & worse. PE back then wasn't a cheap game, it was necessary to use a serious buck to have fun, a lot more compared to other games. But it has changed over time - the amount of money necessary to actually play this game has multiplied. The "loop holes" that made it possible to survive with a low budget have been successively closed.

It has become more gambling than ever. The loot distribution has shifted - where it once was possible to survive, and to have fun, with small to medium sized mobs (when hunting) this doesn't make any sense anymore. Without hitting serious globals any hunt is doomed, and it has become the flavor of the game to go for insanely expensive mobs, rolling huge dices.

There, at the huge, expensive mobs, or at mining with huge, expensive gear, there's the money today, there's where the returns are given. Huge stakes, huge ATH's, huge chances for serious losses. The people rolling smaller dices rarely see anything of value in loot anymore, they're looting TT fodder or stuff that doesn't have any PED value at all. If they don't suffer huge numbers of empty mobs.

Medium gear is losing it's value very fast, the stuff once bought for serious money has become a failed investment - too much once expensive stuff has been devaluated with the new (L) gears, and it has been missed to balance this change. The (L) gear (and especially the UL equivalents) isn't available in the loot for the ones that would need it, it drops for the ones that already have by far better gear. BP's for the gear that has demand are looted rarely, and when, by the few remaining high skill crafters.

Friends and neighbors, this is not what is considered fun and entertainment, and it doesn't make me want to deposit anymore.

Besides all of this nothing has really changed. EU still plays as clumsy as ever, game controls still are working like in an 80's game, unresponsive, laggy, and for this we suffer insane hardware requirements that repel quite some new players - sandbox games like this one are living from constant participation, from the possibility to log in often to keep social contacts, & to watch the auctions. EU today doesn't run on a typical business machine anymore, we'd need at least a small gamer computer, and this makes it impossible to chat with the Soc, or to check the auction, during our noon break at the office.

Is it really "good programming" to release such a beast? Even on a machine that runs Crysis smoothly in high details EU feels like a snail in concrete ...

PE once had a "special offer" - strange ppl running around in a strange world, fighting strange monsters. This has gone with the Barbiesation of characters. Now something-similar- to-RL Barbie & Ken clones are duking it out, in a world full of hills, cliffs & obstacles.
Not exactly what provides fun & entertainment, right?

And to come to an end, current EU has moved to a place where it caters just the few remaining, high skilled members anymore. IMHO.
Any newcomers, or medium skilled avatars are left out. Loot is at Leviathans, Proterons and such - cannot kill? Eat dirt. All serious loot is distributed in them exclusively, with very few exceptions.

Friends and neighbors, this is not what is considered fun and entertainment, and it doesn't make me want to deposit anymore.

Finally:



There was ages when humans wrote books. Right, books - thick, heavy, long, really "walls of text". It was seen in this times to be a particular feature of education to be able to read, and to understand these. What you describe as "walls of text" or "novels" today isn't more but a short letter - have we really already lost the capability of understanding more but a 2min youtube clip?

Have fun!


so you selctively chosen to show all the shitty messages without the rest in between...

on the it not running come one... even got it running smooth on a celeron 1 gig laptop with a intel r4 vid chipset (shared mem 256 of the 886 total)

atm since my laptop broke running with 9200 on board and i not even running it in lowest specs..

it also runs reasonable on a geforece 6200 card (and thats a crap card)

maybe check some settings operating sys etc
 
so you selctively chosen to show all the shitty messages without the rest in between...

on the it not running come one... even got it running smooth on a celeron 1 gig laptop with a intel r4 vid chipset (shared mem 256 of the 886 total)

If you would have read the text you would have gotten the point...

Behond that "comment", you must be extreamly lucky, if you looting consistently good (and so your soc), and even more if you can run EU smoothly on low specs... Good for you mate :)
 
If you would have read the text you would have gotten the point...

Behond that "comment", you must be extreamly lucky, if you looting consistently good (and so your soc), and even more if you can run EU smoothly on low specs... Good for you mate :)

Extremely lucky? Or maybe he just is not basing a TT return on 200 ped ammo run.
 
Extremely lucky? Or maybe he just is not basing a TT return on 200 ped ammo run.

indeed i dont count on 200 ped.. i count my profit on the total i play with inetermetiates to check if all going smooth and the way i want it,
since beginning this year i dont even check after each run, also i hardly TT anything. i get all my MU (witch is part of the game). I in general dont depo anymore (no need for) unless i want something out of my cycle ( the car, a new to big gun or just to waste some peds without watching what i do and this maybe the most importand if the market is slow and/or my stacks just not on the amount of selling i will trow in a quike 10 euro just to get the stacks up (also here no need but i am just lazy when it comes to selling so instead of finding a buyer outside auction to get the max of MU, i will depo (sue me i am lazy.... ).

the part mentioned about the demands of a pc... that was just what it was purely facts and i believe in some old treads the set ups we got it running on are specified in there and wel if i would accually give a shit about most opinions i might have even have looked for it and linked here (but again sue me .. to lazy).
 
There was ages when humans wrote books. Right, books - thick, heavy, long, really "walls of text". It was seen in this times to be a particular feature of education to be able to read, and to understand these. What you describe as "walls of text" or "novels" today isn't more but a short letter - have we really already lost the capability of understanding more but a 2min youtube clip?

Have fun!

Some walls of text are just that, walls of text, I dont know if kosmos would refer to yours as such, its well paragraphed and is a decent read. Sometimes I agree with your POV, other times not so, but your posts tend to be worth taking the time over.

:)
 
I think the problem many people have, is they think EU is limited to the professions and that everything costs ped.


Youve got to think outside the box, theres so much you can do without spending anything. Heck with my 2 services, ETA and EUWV i could play eu completely free if i wanted to. Without collecting sweat and without spending any ped.


Its the state of mind that needs to change.
Sorry Stave but if everyone stopped spending, the game would fail quite fast don´t you think??
 
Guys... you can -rep me for this thread as much as you want ...
Lol, this game is gonna be empty in a really short time...
That's a fact ...

Decay from falling? Great move ....
 
Guys... you can -rep me for this thread as much as you want ...
Lol, this game is gonna be empty in a really short time...
That's a fact ...

Decay from falling? Great move ....

You lose health from falling, however it was stated in the release notes deterioration or decay on armor is not affected. I personally don't think the game will empty, however the user base IMO seems to have decreased which in no doubt means depositors have decreased.

Hence the "shitty" loot everyone seems to know so much about. :rolleyes:
 
Guys... you can -rep me for this thread as much as you want ...
Lol, this game is gonna be empty in a really short time...
That's a fact ...

Decay from falling? Great move ....

not defending the damage (note not decay) from falling but play many mmos? :laugh:

i can tell you don't
 
You currently only lose HP by falling, unless you're talking about vehicles which is understandable.
 
If your damaged you got to heal yourself, specially in battle...
that's the decay I'm talking about.

and I'm triyng to TP out from somewhere and I get killed every jump by a mountain ...
pff

anyhow.. this is offtopic, MA is doing only worst.

Peace.
 
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