Evolution of a Player from Entropia Universe

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Hi, this is a post that i did it for my society forum. My mother tongue is not english, sorry for translating errors.:D

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When I was a child, I spake as a child, thought like a child, I reasoned like a child, but when I became a man, I left childish things" (The Bible)​


When a player has not had a mentor in the game, or just had someone who pretended to be, but he had only a very basic level of knowledge of the game; this player will fall, inevitably, within an evolutionary process as a player, very similar to this:

1. Stage I: Gambler
2. Stage II: The game has something strange
3. Stage III: The game is amazing!


Stage I: Gambler

At this stage, the player generally believed that Entropia Universe is a virtual casino or lottery. It is enough do much the same activity to earn something good some day. It is believed that winning is only a matter of luck. Frequently, It is known that a close friend from him, has received a good thing in the game, and it is hoped that some day he will find something equivalent.


Stage II: The game has something strange

At this stage, after the player has tried "everything" (read as: he has practiced the same activity as crazy) to reach the big loot, but without makes his dreams as reality. However, it also took time to appreciate that there are some players with the ability to receive big loot and not only once if not several. Then the player understand that Entropia Universe is NOT a gambling game. However, he often thinks: exists a “black hand” which is behind at all, and which decides who wins and who loses. At this stage the player becomes suspicious and believes the game has something rare, rare and bad.


Stage III: The game is amazing

This last stage in the evolution of the player is achieved when the player, that belongs to phase II, decides study and investigate the game seriously, through the use of reason, common sense and intelligence. Then, he participates in all forums, learn to distinguish the chaff from the dust. He choose knowledges, and analyze, test, evaluate and conclude. When the player has enough quality to understand the general logic of the game, reaches to this conclusion: Entropia Universe is a amazing game. Then their loot will be improved, and he becomes a classic example of winner, that everybody will know about him.


The above model, about the evolution of a player, explains, in general terms but no less valid for that reason, the states that "the colonists" usually passes through his life inside the Entropia Universe.


Now I will try to describe the different levels of game participants, and why, we should not compare ourselves to others when we are waiting for the loot.

One of the things that I emphasize to try to explain the behavior of Entropia Universe is common sense. And that's what I will use to explain the next parts, also.


When someone comes to the game, and staying within the game, it falls into one of two categories. Or, it is a player who never puts money into the game, or it is a depositor player. Furthermore, players can deposit money from only $ 10 per year, to $ 50 000 per year or more.


Depending on the above and with more reason if belongs to evolutionary stages I or II, the player should have the following behavior:

a) If you never have deposited anything in the game, but has enjoyed the entertainment, then, be grateful. And if at any moment things are not going so good as you'd like, you must take it with humor from sports. It's just a game, win or lose is not really important. What matters are the friends and compete.

b) If you have deposited in the game only small amounts of money, which could be equivalent that charged by other games (For example the religious $ 15 per month from WOW: $ 180 per year). Then, if at some moment, things are not going so good as you'd like, take it easy, under this reasoning: I am paying for an entertainment service that I am receiving. Mindark´s people work to live. I am paying for fun.

c) If you have deposited in the game a lot of money, then you belongs to the only real category entitled to claim, because very bad returns of money. However, before doing so, should review its own rate of return (based on TT). This, because we know the game is an entertainment service; and exist people who have taken the trouble to measure this rate (at EF), and they found that return rate is equivalent to 90% of everything we play in the game with respect to its value TT (decay and bullets and / or bombs used). Then, this means, that if we do not know how play the game, and dont put attention at the market values of the things that we want to win, and spend much more than this amount, we are just doing gambling, and also means, that all money that we deposit in the game after 4 or 10 recyclings will disappears at all.


Finally I recommend you read the forums such as PlanetCalypso Forum. But, if you belongs to evolutionary level players I or II; firstly, must understand the following:


Participants of the forums can be classified into four categories. To simplify the explanation of each category, I will associate each category to a cartoon character, or anime television series, that everybody meets:

1) Fred Flintstone forumers: Those who are thrilled when they received a big loot and just thinking their magical lucky is the cause; or those, who are crying uncontrollably if they lose, then showing their tantrums without further substance.

2) McGyver forumers: Those who have points of view associated with the use of practical behaviours to survive in the game. Practical solutions, that often explain, such as using common sense to practice the game (example. If you obtained a good loot on that day, then, continue with your activities; but if you do not get loot, then, you must not play, because it is better to wait another moment). They are not interested in the assumptions or theories.

3) Dexter´s Laboratory forumers: Those who are interested in the understanding of the game. Normally, in real life, these players belongs to university environment. They make hypothesis, collecting data, processing of information, analyzed and give explanation to the results. Mostly, users of the forum are complicated to understand their hipothesis, and the "Flintstones" often make jokes about them (of course, due to their own internal frustrations and personal limits.)

4) Michelle Nostradamus, forumers: Those who foretell that everything will be wrong, and that the disaster is upon us. Using data from bad trends, players of this type foreshadow the approaching end of the game. This kind of forum members, mostly, belongs to evolutionary stage II.


Well after all above. I recommend you: Open your eyes and your ears, whenever players MacGyver or Dexter have said something in the forums. Although you do not understand what they are saying, you must copy their hipothesis in your notebook. Then reflect on it. Because the source of knowledge of the game, usually are players of this types. This is the way, as a player II may eventually become a player of type III.

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nice post. I look forward to what you write when you reach Stage V :D
 
Pretty much resumes the forum & game! The thing is going from stage I to III as quickly as possible and smoothly...soc, friends, forum & personal experience.
 
nice post. I look forward to what you write when you reach Stage V :D

Hehe, thankyou. I will try, maybe in next 2 years :D


Pretty much resumes the forum & game! The thing is going from stage I to III as quickly as possible and smoothly...soc, friends, forum & personal experience.

Yes. I agree with you. But, it is not easy, however, the experienced players maybe can help us; however, i think many players never will reach stage III. :( (or maybe yes ;) )
 
hmm

Another Xavi Riquelme's explanation of how dumb are people who think that the main professions in this game are soft gambling...

What's the point of the post? Catalog players? An introduction before you explain the secret to win lots of PEDs?

Anyway I'm in stage II: "This game has something strange" And this strange thing is Xavier Riquelme :p

Don't take it personally. :rolleyes:
 
Anyway I'm in stage II: "This game has something strange" And this strange thing is Xavier Riquelme :p

Don't take it personally. :rolleyes:

LOL. The fact that you are only a little boy, not means that you are not a friend. And not, I can not take it personally, because i never could in your case :D
 
LOL. The fact that you are only a little boy, not means that you are not a friend. And not, I can not take it personally, because i never could in your case :D

If I ever manage to understand this post, then I'll write you a proper response :/
 
The problem here is Xavier, your are the loudest one , whos telling ppl this isnt a gambling platform.
Everyone who ever spend 5 minutes on a online casino platform sees the resemblances in a instant, but you keep telling ppl this is a game which has nothing to do with gambling.
And here you are cousing second thoughts to ppl that cant decide either this is gambling or not, i wonder when you will get a PM from a player who youve convinced this is not a gambling platform system saying to you to stop spreading lies couse u realy aint doing much else.
I laugh at your explainations this is a skill based game, well it is actualy, higher skills allow you to play higher mob-slots, and thats just about it, what skills have an impact on not much else.

If I ever manage to understand this post, then I'll write you a proper response :/

I wouldnt even bother since we are on the bottom of this evolution ladder :monkey:. We will never reach lvl VII on which Xavier is.

Well i think ill go on the Cornu slot a bit, since the Atrox slot looks like to much for my skills :monkey:
 
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actualy, higher skills allow you to play higher mob-slots, and thats just about it, what skills have an impact on not much else.

+1

Berycled are like penny slot machines. If you want to play in a high limit BlackJack table; you have to reach VIP status (higher profession level) before you're allowed to access the VIP lounge :p
 
The problem here is Xavier, your are the loudest one , whos telling ppl this isnt a gambling platform.
Everyone who ever spend 5 minutes on a online casino platform sees the resemblances in a instant, but you keep telling ppl this is a game which has nothing to do with gambling.

A game is so or less randomness, based on what each player wish to do it, through their own way of playing. Not more.

I wonder when you will get a PM from a player who youve convinced this is not a gambling platform system saying to you to stop spreading lies couse u realy aint doing much else.

Maybe you are one of them. However, it is not enough to be a convinced. It is needed too, learn to play the game for yourself. Nobody gives to another person, free of charge, secrets that he has found it. Because the first rule in this game is that we are not playing against Mindark/FPC, if not, between us. So, if someone tell to others (publish to everybody) his own way to doing; maybe he can not win again. The purpose of this thread is to show that exists a way. Some players at the history of this game, have discovered a way that is working good for them. Normally, a player must to solve the problem by himself. (But if you find ideas from Dexter/McGyver in the forums, is better to study first)



I laugh at your explainations this is a skill based game, well it is actualy, higher skills allow you to play higher mob-slots, and thats just about it, what skills have an impact on not much else.

That's right. A great amount of skills allow you to use better tools. But, if you are only a gambler, the only effect that produce for you, will be this: your money will gone faster.
 
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All ill say is u seem to see things black when they are obviusly white.
No point arguing with you, keep on telling ppl this is a nice game that has nothing to do with taking a chance.
I wonder what get u for doing this?
You have convinced yourself this has nothing to do with gamble, to the stage you lable different thinking players as apes on lowest level of evolution ladder.:yay:
Why do u even care about what we think?
you are clearly above us, why even bother?
You have a wining strategy, must have something to do with clicking speed
 
I wonder what get u for doing this?

From you, bad comments. (That no means that your opinion is not important for me. All opinions are valid) But if only one player, study better the game motivated for my thread. I am payed.

Thank you for participate in my thread, and GL ;)
 
I started to read the thread and as soon as I saw stage one as gambler i lost interest.

But then i read on.....

Is it your view or your view of what you see as the typical player that MA invites to play?
 
I started to read the thread and as soon as I saw stage one as gambler i lost interest.

But then i read on.....

Is it your view or your view of what you see as the typical player that MA invites to play?

Its my own view, based on my personal experience and from people that i meet inside the game.
 
I have to agree that your post depicts the typical emotional/intellectual responses from the avg player. I do however have to disagree with you on one thing.... this game IS, and is BEYOND A DOUBT.... gambling.

The only difference between EU and a slot machine is that common sense will increase your average returns in EU. That being said, a REALLY GOOD black jack player has a better chance at a casino then a really high skilled and well equipped EU player has here. So... EU is worse than a Casino IMO.

Jenna Star Mercury will NEVER see a single loot larger than what he's bringing to the table (Value of gear/skills he brings to each hunt). However, a high stakes poker player at least has a chance at multiplying his investment 10 fold each time he sits down to play.

So not only is it Gambling.... it's real shitty odds gambling at that.

Menace
 
I have to agree that your post depicts the typical emotional/intellectual responses from the avg player. I do however have to disagree with you on one thing.... this game IS, and is BEYOND A DOUBT.... gambling.

Thanks for your opinion. However, I believe that a gambling game is no more complicated than rolling the dice. There is no more rules than pure chance. In fact in the casinos, we know that if a player has a system that gives him an advantage over other players, the security guards removed him from the game (because is a true game of gambling). However, in Entropia Universe, we have and we had many tools at our disposal to plan our moves, furthermore our own common sense. (Really is too bad that Entropia Tools is not working now, but I have understood that another player is currently working on equivalent tools). The tools are permited in EU (Entropedia, PEAuction, Zap Loot, Minerals Maps, Entropia Tracker, etc). By other hand, the game itself gives us information of each equipment (properties and performance) and tools that we can use, as for example, provides us with statistics of market values online. If this were a casino, only just exist one thing: bet or go. But everybody here knows about some very successful players who never deposited a single dollar to the game. Thats do not correspond to a gambling game. And is very appropiate to see the game as an entertenaiment service with RCE. It had complex rules, but there are very different to rolling the dice.

(sorry my english is not good)
 
I understand your point but this game isnt designed to lead people to believe they're going to get 90% average return. This game is designed to lead people to believe that they have a chance at making profit. Therefore, people play in hopes of getting higher returns than their activities cost to perform, but.... normally get lower returns than cost. Therefore it's gambling.

gam·ble (gmbl)
v. gam·bled, gam·bling, gam·bles
v.intr.
1.
a. To bet on an uncertain outcome, as of a contest.
b. To play a game of chance for stakes.
2. To take a risk in the hope of gaining an advantage or a benefit.

*Edit* I do have to stress however that I believe you hit the nail right on the head with many of the points you made in your OP.

Menace
 
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Oooh gambling!! me wish do some gambling!! *drools*

Everything is logical except the logical sum of unlogical things.. ... or something

I mean its been now 7 years since people have cried about this subject? Have you ever thought that just maybe the system is logical. And you can abuse it as much as you can. But the thing is.. we players... we not logical and we are HUGE part of the system. So abusing the logic in the system is hard when the unlogical players seems to do unlogical things. Which leads to the point where you cannot abuse the system. As these unlogical parts of it. Are so unlogical... :laugh:

If you didnt understand this. Then dont worry, neither does the huge part of the player base... :wise:

And by this "trueth" it is totally gambling! :smoke:
 
<-- Facepalms himself.

theres no such word as Unlogic! its ILLOGIC.
 
the professions are gambling...and as you play, you always have the feeling that the game is on the cusp of being something great but it never gets there.... the platform would be better minus the gambling aspect instead of tricking people that this is a game where you can come in, do the professions, and have a shot at earning money.
 
Interesting post.......; seems I didn't lose any peds from the last month of hunting I did on B*********. Maybe I' am now on Evolutionary Stage III :scratch2:? Very interesting none the less...
 
...
... the LOOT is the slot machine part. The point where it becomes gambling is where you connect the loot directly to your dollars (or whatever real-life currency you prefer). Fact is, there is an intermediary point known as the PED.

This is a game where you pay for entertainment. Avatar skill profile determines the level you can comfortably play at for a given size of cash flow. Player skills exist too; one of the most relevant player skills to this game is, how effectively can you control your level of expenditure? The better your control over your own spending habits, the more easily you can make the game fun. The gambling part happens when you choose to bet your cash on what kind of loot you will get rather than considering it cash spent to play a game.

What MMO out there lacks randomized loot? How can completely predictable loots add to the entertainment value of an MMO? It really boils down to, when you hunt online, would you rather pay per month or per shot fired? and of course how closely you understand the cost of hunting in whatever particular way you hunt. Same goes for the other professions (except trading which is more part of the scenery than an actual part of the MMO).

Just :twocents:, don't take it too seriously.
 
<-- Facepalms himself.

theres no such word as Unlogic! its ILLOGIC.
and this thread's logic is certainly ILL. :monkey:
 
the professions are gambling...and as you play, you always have the feeling that the game is on the cusp of being something great but it never gets there.... the platform would be better minus the gambling aspect instead of tricking people that this is a game where you can come in, do the professions, and have a shot at earning money.
Quoted for aptness and truth. Just let us play a game, tyvm
 
It's interesting how you made realization that this game is not 100% gambling equal to thinking 'This game is amazing!' :silly2: That was not my experience at least.

As for it being gambling or not, gambling means taking a chance, hoping for best without being able to knowingly affect the result. You don't need a random system to take a gamble in it.

EU has a dynamic scale of how much of a gambling it is. The less you know, the more gambling you take. And as some rules remain mysterious even for most experienced players and there are factors that are close to impossible to control even if you know them, some gambling aspect is definitely present in the game for majority of players. It's a lot less present than some seem to think though.
 
All ill say is u seem to see things black when they are obviusly white.

Well I say they are gray, and those that fail to see even the possibility of gray also fail to see the truth, as it usually exists somewhere in the middle... :wise:
 
This is an old post. but always valid. Now it is necessary again.
 
2) McGyver forumers: Those who have points of view associated with the use of practical behaviours to survive in the game. Practical solutions, that often explain, such as using common sense to practice the game (example. If you obtained a good loot on that day, then, continue with your activities; but if you do not get loot, then, you must not play, because it is better to wait another moment). They are not interested in the assumptions or theories.

McGyver was just so cool! (Not the new one of course)
I can relate.

Your post is a nice try in the good direction, but it runs even far deeper ;)
 
just skip stage I + II and just start at stage III, plays out better i guess.
 
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