Why is this allowed?

Nihilist said:

So your avatars are all just "test" accounts in the "live" system? sounds a bit fishy..

think about it this way.. if Macro, Hanne, Frank and the rest of the FPC team decided to join up in game and make their own little soc called "Calypso Stars".. i think everyone here can at least see the issue with that.

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They are already ingame with secret avis. Just check last interview with Marco on Entropia Radio, the one made by Dion Redstrike. Also check Misao`s earlier post or mine.

Mikass said:

They are already ingame with secret avis. Just check last interview with Marco on Entropia Radio, the one made by Dion Redstrike. Also check Misao`s earlier post or mine.

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so what?.. they aren't in a soc called calypso stars and they pretty much try to remain anonymous to avoid issues like this.. which is exactly what all these "Rock Stars" should be doing.

I bought a "sharks head" from a player a few days ago well b4 this vu -funny thing was it was a human skull?? wierd -ill see if i can u/l a screenie

Mikass said:

They are already ingame with secret avis. Just check last interview with Marco on Entropia Radio, the one made by Dion Redstrike. Also check Misao`s earlier post or mine.

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Avatars used to test the systems so that they can properly assess what needs to be changed and improved. Avatars that they are never allowed to withdraw anything from which means they'll not in any way benefiting from them other than gaining experience with the current system.

I'm a critic, and a sceptic of nature, but I don't see what's bad about that, or how it even compares to what is being discussed here..

Akoz said:

Avatars used to test the systems so that they can properly assess what needs to be changed and improved. Avatars that they are never allowed to withdraw anything from which means they'll not in any way benefiting from them other than gaining experience with the current system.

I'm a critic, and a sceptic of nature, but I don't see what's bad about that, or how it even compares to what is being discussed here..

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avatars that looted something that other avatars in the community could have looted... avatars that are gaining skills that others in the community could be getting...plenty wrong with that.

Akoz said:

Avatars used to test the systems so that they can properly assess what needs to be changed and improved. Avatars that they are never allowed to withdraw anything from which means they'll not in any way benefiting from them other than gaining experience with the current system.

I'm a critic, and a sceptic of nature, but I don't see what's bad about that, or how it even compares to what is being discussed here..

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One could say the same about Rockstars. How do you know they`re allowed to withdraw or not?

CuilwenOnnedhie said:

I see a deep rooted desire of a person who does not want to lose touch with the community and especially losing his adoring fan-base. I also see a gamer at heart, who likes to flip out his massive DOA shlong and loot a mob.
So, MS9 and everyone else, do you realy want that taken away from him?

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Yes. At casinos, employees and their families are not allowed to play the games. Maybe that's why MA lets him keep playing - just to show that they don't think this game is a casino... but anyone that's ever got a bunch of misses and no loots in hunting knows that's not necessarily the case.

NEVERDIE said:

Can't get any more transparent than that.. That way if they loot something rare and valuable you will be the first to know about it..

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OMG *tears rolling down my face, muscles ache* EPIC man! thnx 4laugh.

NEVERDIE said:

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Can't get any more transparent than that.. That way if they loot something rare and valuable you will be the first to know about it..

I don't stand for secret avatars at my company! I like to keep an eye on things!

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I did not know that you have a feature enabled that high end items looted get announced in the Chat asif they are new so will it be written:

Avatar XYZ looted a Modified EW-40 Mercenary with a Value of 67 Ped from Space Pirate and he is a Neverdie Employee


If it is like that, very nice feature and I hope this Avatar would put it back into loot pool and not into TT

mastermesh said:

Yes. At casinos, employees and their families are not allowed to play the games. Maybe that's why MA lets him keep playing - just to show that they don't think this game is a casino... but anyone that's ever got a bunch of misses and no loots in hunting knows that's not necessarily the case.

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Seriously what are you trying to prove by now? ... are all those MMOs out there casinos by now just coz the bow of that elf hunter misses every now and then? I think this is getting a little embarrassing by now....

XeroX2 said:

Seriously what are you trying to prove by now? ... are all those MMOs out there casinos by now just coz the bow of that elf hunter misses every now and then? I think this is getting a little embarrassing by now....

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This is the only MMO where misses cost real cash.

It don't matter how you dress a one arm bandit, it's still a gambling machine REGARDLESS of the theme.

CuilwenOnnedhie said:

I also see a gamer at heart, who likes to flip out his massive DOA shlong and loot a mob.
So, MS9 and everyone else, do you realy want that taken away from him?

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Frankly, yes!

But for me it's not about NeverDie or any other particular individual who could theoretically profit from insider knowledge through being a Planet owner/partner/developer.

It is the general principle that no Planet owner/partner/developer should be allowed to own an avatar that is able to participate in in-game activities that involve gaining loot.

NeverDie may be whiter-than-white but I think we need some clear rules and boundaries on this issue or we'll see more threads like this, more suspicion and more dis-affected players leaving EU.

CuilwenOnnedhie said:

Have you seen him HOF latelly? i havent

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HOF is simply a record of high payouts by people that have usually deposited more then the payout. If he's clicking on anything he's pulling the slot machine handle, which could at any given time be a jackpot.

1st post u/d pg 14 -sharks head

NEVERDIE said:

I've posted this elsewhere but I'll post it again here.. We don't do release notes yet, coz we don't know for sure what's been fixed or added until we go live.. This is due to our enormous backlog and the fact that our guys are trying to get as much into each new vu as possible, but we don't always know what made it before the deadline, or when the last synch was..

So were doing lots of stuff on the fly.. Were not FPC who have everything in and are just adding new content..
We are a new worlds still trying to get the basics in... Its rough, thankfully Todd and Michael are spending many sleepless nights trying to make up time...

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Maybe it would help if you curtail Force from bringing all the women into the office and distracting staff as you mentioned in your video ... they might be able to get something done and get some sleep.

CuilwenOnnedhie said:

Still is easier to say YES! When in fact you are NOT in His shoes and Not with the same kinda responsibillities. And if you were would you do better and how would you do better? Can you also get to where he is and prove to all that you can do better?

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You sure are wishy washy ... his comments haven't changed anything with regard to the issues at hand ...

• he is developer and owner of taxed land on Next Island
• he supports staff playing with their regular EU avatars who loot and gain from game play
• his staff is privey to inside information
• Rock Star members (including ND's son) freely come and go and spend casual time
• both ND and Michael admit in the video that they've been struggling

I'm sorry, but ... IMO, this is not a professionally-run organization, and no matter what is said about what they do or don't do, the "perception of potential impropriety" is absolutely valid, and this community has every right to voice its concerns. The fact that the CEO of the planet hasn't made an official statement (other than the message he relayed through me) is rather concerning as well.

Mikass said:

One could say the same about Rockstars. How do you know they`re allowed to withdraw or not?

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well he didn't sell that asteroid for the fun of it. - ; P

Shark head

Okay shark head is worthless for one, I looted one the first day Next was running. How it hofed as a new item is strange, I'm guessing that it was fixed, before it looked like a human skull. No reason getting pissed about it

NEVERDIE said:

I told em no sleep till u find them sharks...went missing after launch..
Word is they found em and got attacked!!!
Damn ferocious sharks! I guess I can't blame em for defending themselves, woulda done the same myself...
They forgot of course they were gonna make discoveries..
Good thing in my opinionmthat everyone knows they work for NEVERDIE Studios
Can't get any more transparent than that.. That way if they loot something rare and valuable you will be the first to know about it..
I don't stand for secret avatars at my company! I like to keep an eye on things!

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all we need to know is that all active players employed by your studio are totally banned from withdrawing cash / gaining financially by playing, from transferring assets to non employees other than as a reward in an event, that any loot they may get is put back into the system, no insider information is passed to non employees i.e. they're under an nda so that prior knowledge before an official announcement that allows them to gain financially that isn't passed to all players of your planet at the same time (in the same way that FPC has announced new spawn points for MM) and that their avatars are monitored in the same way that the FPC ones are.

Prision time?

In Love With said:

well hoping NOT to get banned again but there is a simple solution

Don't go there ... ND can only survive if ppl hunting/mining/crafting etc. on his grounds ...

If what the OP is correct and he uses his insider knowledge to favour close ppl (which irl would be highly illegal and would if found out be sentenced with prison time !!) then simply do not give him further funds by traveling to RT or NI.

Angel

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This isn't the stock market, so I highly doubt Jon would get prison time for inside info. Also I think Jon is smart enough to have learned from the mistakes of other.

By the way if I am correct Jon is not the creator of Next, he was hired as a creative consultant, so by boycotting Next simple because you have an issue with Jon is only hurting someone else.

to avoid repeating myself I will refer people to https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/...ktropia-and-Next-Island&p=2631605#post2631605

NEVERDIE said:

Good thing in my opinionmthat everyone knows they work for NEVERDIE Studios

Can't get any more transparent than that.. That way if they loot something rare and valuable you will be the first to know about it..

I don't stand for secret avatars at my company! I like to keep an eye on things!

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In that case, can you please post a list of all the full avatar names of people who work for or are similarly associated with the studios?

No one seems to have mentioned this in this way so here I go:

This is how it used to work:
When an existing avatar in game went to work for MA / FPC, (aka Hanne, Justin..) they had to sell their avatar first and make a new one. It's to my understanding that all MA employees were required to have an in game avatar but that avatar was not allowed to withdraw, transfer items etc. I'm certain they were monitored. The requirement was so the employees were able to play the game, get to know the game better and how it works, and such things since most of them had never played it. They had / have their own society within the game. They were basically anonymous. Why? Because if in an 'official' avatar they could never get to learn the game due to all the questions and attention they'd get from other avatars. I agree with how it was done before.

I don't personally know of any of them looting an uber item although it certainly could have happened before the discoveries listings were made. I also don't know and would think that if they did, the item was returned to the loot pool. I don't think it is a bad thing for the employees to have to play the game as long as they weren't able to withdraw, transfer etc. (I do NOT know if this is the current requirement for MA or FPC employees now.)

When it was simply MA, the various parts of the offices were section off. Meaning that even if you worked there, you were NOT allowed into different areas so you couldn't see what other employees were doing. Was it perfect? No, but it was an attempt to separate them. In ND's, video, I do not see that separation.

I think this should be how all planet partners should be with their employees.

Now, how would we feel if Marco, Dave, Hanne, or if any other MA or FPC employee made a discovery no matter how small of value? Even more hell would break loose. ND, Force, and others are the same. A CEO or COO or CFO or employee shouldn't be making discoveries. Yes, ND is very open as to works for him and we do know that. That part is a good thing but it's not enough.

When RT opened up and ND was globaling there was long threads like this. It was never resolved then and it should have been then. If I remember correctly, ND said he was helping people (friends) get to the tp's and different areas so they could see things since they were over run with the big creatures. Why isn't ND's avatar or the head of any planet partners avatar like Marco's avvy? Big gun, can't loot and the like for such situations?

Yes, something needs to be done with the whole situation about planet partners and their employees. Also, their immediate family members just like any other contest, games etc where money is involved should be banned from playing. MA is the one that HAS to do this though and make clear requirements and let the community know what those requirements are. They also need to let us know in general how it is enforced? We also need to know that is IS enforced. Every employee avatar should be monitored for every planet partner.

Please MA, address this issue once and for all.

Oleg said:

In that case, can you please post a list of all the full avatar names of people who work for or are similarly associated with the studios?

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And, what would be really lovely, who each one is IRL.

Was pretty surprised to find Force wasn't a 16 year old, but actually a 40-50 year old man when he -rep's comments with "Lame niblit lmao".

If, NEVERDIE, you claim to be transparent, then I am happy for you to be so - to a point. I still see a big problem with your employee's avatars being "standard" avatars - perhaps you should discuss with MA to get a set of 10, 20 avatars which are loot-disabled like Hanne and Marco have for FPC. Then your society "NEVERDIE" would make more sense. I understand you use "Rock Stars" as a press/exposure thing for Rocktropia, but lets be honest, they're only making you look pretty silly (at least on here).

Mercury said:

As for the hogglo imp mk3 thing, I knew exactly where hogs were as I was shooting one of them before I was shot in the back by one of them the looters. I don't think it was shady for the reason you mentioned Aio. Although, I did find it shady for other reasons.

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Fair enough Were you getting 1.0 dmg hits from them too? And yeah, even so, I'll never ever believe that happened by random chance

Aio said:

And, what would be really lovely, who each one is IRL.

Was pretty surprised to find Force wasn't a 16 year old, but actually a 40-50 year old man when he -rep's comments with "Lame niblit lmao".

If, NEVERDIE, you claim to be transparent, then I am happy for you to be so - to a point. I still see a big problem with your employee's avatars being "standard" avatars - perhaps you should discuss with MA to get a set of 10, 20 avatars which are loot-disabled like Hanne and Marco have for FPC. Then your society "NEVERDIE" would make more sense. I understand you use "Rock Stars" as a press/exposure thing for Rocktropia, but lets be honest, they're only making you look pretty silly (at least on here).

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Agreed - the whole thing is farcical really.

How can you have employees and friends privy to development running around with active avatars?

It's bizarre, and totally undermines the paying playerbase.

Force works for Neverdie?!? Didn't realize that, lol. No wonder he's able to do so much pvp stuff with what's probably unlimited amounts of ammo? How fair is that?

All that griefing on legit participants too. Dang, that's highly unprofessional and highly uncool. Brings to mind the old multi-user dungeons from the early 1990s and before where after so long certain "special people" got to be promoted to being gods and could create new parts of the map and stuff. Is a planet partner really nothing more then that?!? I'd hope so, but by the looks of reading all of this, it really does not look like it.

you do relies

mastermesh said:

Force works for Neverdie?!? Didn't realize that, lol. No wonder he's able to do so much pvp stuff with what's probably unlimited amounts of ammo? How fair is that?

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They still have to pay for their ammo just like everyone else. Not like they can just create 10kped worth of ammo in their inventory.