Why is this allowed?

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OK, so then you are not as informed or involved as the guy I was chatting with then.

ND's facebook is open, I check there for updates and the specific planet websites. Sometimes I pick up info that hints at things coming, and make speculations based on that. It's information open to anyone willing to look.
Like for example being able to breath underwater is going to change and drowning will become possible. Scuba gear will be released.
 
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I do have fire insurance, but that wont stop my house from burning down so that is a bad example.

Personally I would say that this is a perfect example, it will not stop your house from burning down, but you will get something towards rebuilding, what I believe was being said was that regardless of anything that may or may not have happened, if the rules are in place then they can be dealt with according to the rules.

just my :twocents:

Feel free to continue arguing tho :)
 
So..

Personally I would say that this is a perfect example, it will not stop your house from burning down, but you will get something towards rebuilding, what I believe was being said was that regardless of anything that may or may not have happened, if the rules are in place then they can be dealt with according to the rules.

just my :twocents:

Feel free to continue arguing tho :)

So are you saying that ND and his associates should be banned, or are you saying there should be special loot rules for them? Like say unable to loot an UL item, or unique item, or very rare item.
 
Yes. At casinos, employees and their families are not allowed to play the games. Maybe that's why MA lets him keep playing - just to show that they don't think this game is a casino... but anyone that's ever got a bunch of misses and no loots in hunting knows that's not necessarily the case.

This has been brought up before and it is still not true. It is not illegal for casino employees or their families to play, for example, poker in the casino where they work. In fact, in order to prevent tables from breaking up sometimes the players will request an employee to fill a seat.
 
Force works for Neverdie?!? Didn't realize that, lol. No wonder he's able to do so much pvp stuff with what's probably unlimited amounts of ammo? How fair is that?

Is this true?

As others have said, yes ... Force works for ND, and why I linked the video and said that Force was "Joe" ... he's the one with the white earplugs hanging out his ears, and the one who calls himself a demi-god in the video ... oh, and ... also calls Michael a cockblocker.

Not "really", they pay at the TT right, but Rockstars has sponsored players whom get expanses compensated.

Yes, Rock Stars sponsor players, and especially in their soc ... in the player profile on Daisy ColdFinger in the current EntropiaTimes magazine issue it is stated by Daisy that Force sponsors his game play. I also have it from a very reliable source that Force runs the ND bank avatar with ND's permission and items are taken from the bank and given to players to use.

I don't know what the hell ND is talking about, them bringing in women, I find it very hard to believe..... *shiver*.

:laugh: ... I know you're kidding girlfriend ;) ... but yes, it's true, and ND even says so in the video, as well as says that it "set the tone" (not sure what kind of tone that is), but that it disrupts the staff ... the video is very telling.

And frankly I think most of the people attacking ND are doing it out of envy, you guys keep grasping at straws and vague possibilities.

This is what some say when they can't come up with anything more brilliant. Sorry, but if you've taken the time to read the valid concerns of the majority of the posters in this thread, then you should have some comprehension of what's going on here. It is you who are grasping at straws to find content to fit your beliefs ... it's called confirmation bias, where people ignore the facts and just look for things to support or prove what they believe.

And just as an FYI to everyone ... the two girls in the video are Rock Star soc members (as is ND's son Taliesin - aka Robot Boy), and the girl that Michael asked to sit next to him to show the new stats on a weapon is one of them. If you really pay attention to the video, you can learn a lot.
 
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:laugh: ... I know you're kidding girlfriend ;) ... but yes, it's true, and ND even says so in the video, as well as says that it "set the tone" (not sure what kind of tone that is), but that it disrupts the staff ... the video is very telling.

I have no doubts Jon can bring them in but those other 2?? I just threw up a little bit in my mouth :)
 
As others have said, yes ... Force works for ND, and why I linked the video and said that Force was "Joe" ... he's the one with the white earplugs hanging out his ears, and the one who calls himself a demi-god in the video ... oh, and ... also calls Michael a cockblocker.

HaHa that is kinda funny, I am so glad I seen this Video. Next time he calls me a Nib or whatever it is he called me I can just laugh it off now Lol.
 
So are you saying that ND and his associates should be banned, or are you saying there should be special loot rules for them? Like say unable to loot an UL item, or unique item, or very rare item.

Cheers for attempting to drag me into your little argument, but I was pointing out what appeared to have been said at the time, which was that if there are rules in place governing conduct or misconduct, then IF there is any breaking of the rules, then there are rules to govern how it is dealt with.

Kinda like insurance.
 
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O yes, I lost both weapons pawned in my name, deed and item POOOOF! Grrrrrr:mad

Sorry for the loss but, what was the outcome of this? The Deeds just vanished? Was a support case or something filed? If so what was the outcome?

This kinda threads normally I ignore but this one is really getting interesting. Be nice to have some official EU People reply here with some facts and such.
 
Drama Drama Drama

C'mon people - Play the damn game - If ya think its rigged, go waste your time playing Farmville, face book was created by a guy who is Time Magazines Man of the year because he developed something most said was stupid, and turned himself into a billionaire - Should he not be allowed to post on FB, or Play Farmville with Real Cash Value Farm Bucks? Is Neverdie eccentric - hell yeah! - Is Force a bit narcissistic (or think he's a demi-god ;)) hell yeah! Who cares? We've all created avatars in a virtual world have we not - Many posters here are just posting to keep the drama alive! I was in RockStars, and left the soc because I missed Calypso. End of story. I enjoyed meeting many ND staff, including Force, and definitely had fun hunting with the soc - did it bring me all time loots, nope - Was I sponsored lol - Nope - Was I treated well by a decent guy (Force) - yep, and my limited interactions with any of Never die’s soc or employee's have all been positive. Neverdie has dragged this game into what we all love today, and did it with the help of Force, Todd, Marius. . . One of my favorite days in my relatively long tenure in game was when I was the first colonist to discover a vampire eye. It was worth nothing, and still isn't, yet when I handed it to my Soc leader, as a token gift, He had emotion in his voice, on Team speak and said he will cherish it. I am not a fanboi of Force's or of Neverdie, but not a hater either. I left RockStars because I wanted to be in control of my own "Gameplay" Primal Justice is my soc, and it will never compete with ND, Warrants or whatever else ya want to say - It is mine, and will be developed the way I see fit - With input from the people I choose to be members. That's no different than what Force, ND, or anyone else who wants to control their destiny rather than be sheeple to the people who actually live their lives. (BTW - Rock on Force! - take all the skirts ya can into the studio) that’s why he moved out west, to set up shop in Hollywood. Cause he wants to be a Cowboi Baby! Get over yourselves! Just enjoy the game - leave the conspiracies to area 51, and Roswell. Play Farmville if ya can't hang here with the big dogs in a real cash economy - FACT!!? ;):yay::yay::yay::yay:

Evey: If Force Pissed on your cheerios this morning, just brush your teeth and move on ;) - Cause ya seem to get along with him just fine, when he includes you in recess - right right?
 
So, we have all had time to present our concerns, ideas, vent our feelings even.

Does MA intend to set a standard for planet partners such is the case with FPC.

Will we see a CEO Neverdie avatar and working crew avatars and the retirement of the playing avatars.

Or is this conflict of interest and advantage gains going to be just swept under the carpet again ?

It seems the other planet partners can get it right, why can't Neverdie ? :scratch2:

Link > http://www.entropiaplanets.com/foru...60-lessons-learned-planet-cyrene-arkadia.html

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Good followup post Ozi.

With your planet being CEO and all, how do you see this effecting your play character Ozi.
Are you intending to restrict yourself somehow at some point?
I am speaking about 'conflict of interest' situations; i was wondering how you intend to tackle it.

PS. Sorry to put you on the spot bud, but I can't give NeverDie all the flack and not others fairly ;)

Ozi said:
Ozi is due for retirement, it will be hard to let him go though. Most of the gear I had has gone already. You'll see me with a new CEO avatar.

I am fully aware of the risk of conflicts of interest, so I see Ozi's retirement as the best option for me.
 
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C'mon people - Play the damn game - If ya think its rigged, go waste your time playing Farmville, face book was created by a guy who is Time Magazines Man of the year because he developed something most said was stupid, and turned himself into a billionaire - Should he not be allowed to post on FB, or Play Farmville with Real Cash Value Farm Bucks?

I dont put my RL money into FB :rolleyes:

Play Farmville if ya can't hang here with the big dogs in a real cash economy - FACT!!? ;)

You play with the dogs if ya like, but I have been playing PE a few years now and this is new territory for all of us.
 
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... loads of dribble ...

Yeah, dude, i mean man, yeah, dude.

I think you'll find NEVERDIE did the opposite of "drag this game into what we love" for a vast majority of players.

CuilwenOnnedhie:-

You should submit a support case. Thankfully, MA do actually keep VERY long records of item transfers. If you, for example:

Jan 1st - 30day loan. Marber ID XXXXX transferred to ND's bank avatar.
Jan 10th - loan cancelled - Marber ID XXXXX not returned.

then there will be a record of this. MA will be able to confirm that the marber was taken from you before the loan was up, thus breaching the banking rules.

Unfortunately I don't know how the banks work, I don't know if it was your mistake or NEVERDIE's, or Force, thus I can't lay blame anywhere. So take it up with support, they will have the logs, especially if you have an approximate time when you did the pawning.
 
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DONT YOU FREEKIN DARE DAMNIT!!! Thats my Mom youre messing/insulting and she is part of a fantastic soc way older and way more established that STFU_Stars!!!!!!:mad: And what I read from your post a way better person than you, force and everyone in that SOC of yours combined grrrrr:mad: Damnit you deserve a -rep, my first :(

The negative rep is OK - And I apologize for offending you - honestly - I really just didn't understand why evey (apparently your mom, would write such bs) I have no problem with your mom - She's a nice lady.

Sorry Your Plasma got stolen ;( That danged ND Bank scammer lol - cmon - again - really - He stole your baby gun?

Daisy - Your as hot as eva!!! Ubah Hot even ;)

anyways - I'm Jekyll Dajoka Hyde, and I approve this message! - yet seem to have already forgotten what the other side of my personality wrote that mad you so angry - Dangit - back to the shrink!
 
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This is what some say when they can't come up with anything more brilliant. Sorry, but if you've taken the time to read the valid concerns of the majority of the posters in this thread, then you should have some comprehension of what's going on here. It is you who are grasping at straws to find content to fit your beliefs ... it's called confirmation bias, where people ignore the facts and just look for things to support or prove what they believe.

Okay call me brave or stupid for challenging a mod but the same could be said about all those I am arguing with. They are mad about things that could happen, or tiny things that have happened. They find information that supports their claim. I find information that supports mine.
I believe most of them are arguing out of envy. You believe I am the one grasping at straws. To each their own.
The big thing here is you spend a lot of time on your avatar, killing it for the sake of appearances seems rather extreme.
 
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Alrighty, we discussed conflict of interest and such multiple times already.

It's actually quite simple. MindArk, at least one developer and at least one planet partner are not handling their business in a professional manner.

This fact scares off investors, other planet partners, and potential participants in a number potentially multiple times the current player base.

Once and for all those issues should be taken care of by MA in order to avoid further damage to the game we all play.

Everyone who denies that there are issues is more or less silently adding to the damage.

Just a few measures that could be taken:

- a set of rules by MA how to avoid conflict of interest, this shall be published for everyone to read
- publishing full avatar names of all official semi-official avatars along with the company they belong to
- freeze all non-official avatars that have been played by MA/PP/contractors employees and familiy members and publish a list of them
- restricting official avatars in their ability to trade/auction/drop item/withdraw/ ... and publish a list of the restrictions
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Alrighty, we discussed conflict of interest and such multiple times already.

It's actually quite simple. MindArk, at least one developer and at least one planet partner are not handling their business in a professional manner.

This fact scares off investors, other planet partners, and potential participants in a number potentially multiple times the current player base.

Once and for all those issues should be taken care off by MA in order to avoid further damage to the game we all play.

Everyone who denies that there are issues is more or less silently adding to the damage.

Just a few measures that could be taken:

- a set of rules by MA how to avoid conflict of interest, this shall be published for everyone to read
- publishing full avatar names of all official semi-official avatars along with the company they belong to
- freeze all non-official avatars that have been played by MA/PP/contractors employees and familiy members and publish a list of them
- restricting official in their ability to trade/auction/drop item/withdraw/ ... and publish a list of the restrictions
- ...

Basically, MA need to become transparent. Once they are, trust will be built which is essential for a company which deals with large sums of people's money every day. Perhaps more people would be willing to bid, for example, on the Medusa islands if they are certain the auction will be done in a transparent, professional manner (not with the 2005 CND inability to deposit debacle we had).

And I wholeheartedly agree, there should be a set of rules each planet partner has to abide by, or risk getting their assets frozen (I assume that MA holds some sort of control on each planet partner). There's no evidence to say NEVERDIE is doing anything especially wrong (at least, no more wrong than others have done in the past), but there is also no guarantee that he or the next planet partner could do some serious damage to the playerbase and MindArk's reputation.

I emplore FPC to take the communities thoughts on this to MA - If MA do not themselves read these forums. There are plenty of very smart people contributing to this thread (I'm not one of them btw, I'm fuckin retarded :eyecrazy:) and those people are freely contributing their thoughts to improve MA as a company. Free advice is not normally given, and it's only being shared here as people truly do love the concept (perhaps not the execution ;) ) of PE/EU. Or they're fucking addicted like me :D
 
Just a few measures that could be taken:

- a set of rules by MA how to avoid conflict of interest, this shall be published for everyone to read
- publishing full avatar names of all official semi-official avatars along with the company they belong to
- freeze all non-official avatars that have been played by MA/PP/contractors employees and familiy members and publish a list of them
- restricting official in their ability to trade/auction/drop item/withdraw/ ... and publish a list of the restrictions
- ...

It would be good to see the such come about.
In reality, I fear this will just go under the carpet.
That has been the MA way for so long.
 
The important thing here

Okay look we have all argued back and forth, neither side of the argument is convincing the other of anything. So I bring up a new question.
Why should ND not be allowed to continue enjoying this game?
Who said that MA has no rules regulating Planet partners?
Why is everyone getting mad that it could be possible for ND or his friends to abuse there position?
Have any of them ever given anyone reason to believe that they are dishonest?


To me this all looks like a witch hunt. I know I know, "Thats what people say who can't think of anything more brilliant."
 
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So because the potential is there for them to break the rules you are already judging them on that? Thats like saying because I own a gun the potential is there for me to shoot someone so I should be jailed before that happens.
There was a movie(can't remember it's name) where the cops had the ability to see crimes before they where committed, and thus arrest the guilty party before the crime even happened. Turns out that they could only a "possible future" and had arrested people based on what might have happened. Moral of the story, innocent until you actually commit a crime.

first off i'm not judging anyone.. the discussion as i see it is whether or not there should be clear rules put in place for avatars involved with planet partners that are privy to sensitive data.

what you're suggesting is that there should be no rules in place until an actual crime has been committed. I hope you see the flaw in that logic. Simply put.. If there was no law, or clear consequence against murder until you actually witnessed a murder take place. would it make that first murder any more justified? Though we all "should" know the difference between right and wrong.. some people need it spelled out a bit more clear.

Obviously the discussion taking place is should there be a clear rules spelled out and clear consequences known to protect as best we can against a wrong that could take place, not whether a wrong has taken place or not.
 
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