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Another vote for PED disappears alot faster these days. I just resorted for the first time to selling some things that I never planned on getting rid of. Better than depositing again this week.
 
I am very sure MA changed the algorithm a bit. Not sure when it started, but they concentrate even more on big payouts than in the past. Thats the reason people last a lot less with 1000-2000 peds... they now need at least 3 times more, to NOT see a difference. MA are trying to force people to deposit even more this way :)

For example: Argonauts

Before
10000 peds turnover = 50-70 globals

Now
10000 peds turnover = 20-30 globals + 1 hof

So the people that have only like 500-1000 peds on the card, usualy dont even get to the hof and just say F THIS game :)

I'm not sure I explained this right, but the ones that play long enough will understand what I mean :)

TJ:bandit:
 
Aio said:
Shit the bed, lvl 24 prospector, how are you not profiting with such uber skills!

Anyway, the reason you are losing more now than before (6.5kped/mo compared to 200/mo) is that your costs have gone up, thus your pedcycle has gone up.

Each player here needs to remember that you will not profit - anything you do actually make is a bonus and shouldn't be treated as a profit (IF you are playing against the system - there are plenty of ways to make money when you play against other players).

If I hunt daiki with opalo+101 for a month I will lose approx 100ped, at the worst of times. That's playing 5hrs per day.

If I hunt atrox with p5a+105 for a month I will lose approx 1kped, at the worst of times. Ditto time played.

If I hunt levi with XT+dante for a month, I will lose approx 10kped, at the worst of time.

Hunt what you can afford to lose, at the absolute worst returns. You'll soon find you're not complaining and accepting. IF you don't want to just accept loss and "play to profit", then you need to either start playing against players (trading, skillsell etc) or quit. Cos it aint gonna happen when you play against MA.
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I agree 100%
Rob is amazing guy and i talked to him many time on skype and trying to help him to get good results telling him to come down many many times and he dont listening until the point is completelly broken i advice him...
Play agains system just make us lose but when adiction is in us is hard to see ...
All the best Rob im sure soon u hit 6.5k tower just listening the advices before u lose this amount...
 
In my 5 years of playing the loot had become alot worse during the past year (sga onwards) (lost my old ef password). I was using the same level of equipment for the last 3 years. No increase in spending. As Aio said, you have no option but to quit. That's what I did, I'm now playing Afterworld where $10 has lasted me for weeks, actually I have 3x that amount in profit. I still love EU, MA/FPC have done a good job of updating the engine and introducing vehicles etc. But the cost to play for the avg Joe is simple obscene. I wont pay for MA over stretching themselves. For those of you simple wanting to play a game and not make a living, go elsewhere, you will only lose alot of your hard earned.
 
welp this thread is right on schedule....

the summer will be the next wave, then the longtooth, then more bitching and moaning to come.

i been playing a long time and seen the waves of bitching just like everyone else that has been playing.

everyone is missing the point here on how loot works.

just have to look at facts and put 2 and 2 together.

the easiest way to see how loot works is look at what MA has nerfed.

as far as mobs go, more hit points with less damage means more ped for the player and possibly bigger hofs.

the more people hunting them mobs the bigger they can go.

there needs to be money put in for people to take money out.

proterons were the mob of choice for a while, then they got nerfed and people stopped hunting them, so they dont hof as much because there is no money being lost there.

leviathons were the next one, then they got nerfed.

sacred boar was the best mob in the world and even a noob with an opalo could get a 2k hof.

then POOF!!!! they vanish.

what you need to do is get everyone in the game to all hang out at one place and hunt one mob type and you will all make and loose peds and have better returns.

id say get everyone to hunt chirpys, then watch the 5k-20k hofs on chirpys.

though after that im sure MA would nerf them too.

so long story short, you will NEVER MAKE MONEY HERE!!!!!

if your ok with that, then fine, keep playing, if not, then dont bitch, u have no right too when things are so out in the open that you will loose.

the house always wins.......

i accepted that i would never win this game against the house, my excel spread sheets even showed that i always got 65% or better returns on average, but never had it better then 80% at times.

FACT: if you dont watch your loot and document it you will never see what you really make on the average.
the law of large numbers says that the more you do something the better you can see the real percentage of the return (i might have butcherd that, but owell i think you get the point)

FACT: if you do watch your loot with excel spread sheets you will feel depressed and wonder why you play the game, so if you cant take it that you wont win, then dont keep track of your stats.

i been doing this for 5 or so years, and i accepted returns because i made my fun in other ways with soc mates and other friends i made in the game and that is what kept me going.

though right now im busy working on my real life avatar, and if i were you, you might want to do the same cause there is some real sick shit going on out there right now and it needs some attention...

peace out.
 
remontoire said:
Enough with the whining already! Get out of your old set ways and reinvent yourself until you get loot and markup!
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It's easy enough to make that assertion..
Let's see if you can "reinvent" me...

If you fail, then I reserve the right to tell you to shut the fuck up :yup:

I'm eagerly waiting for your help, send me a PM
 
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~CHOPPER~ said:
It's easy enough to make that assertion..
Let's see if you can "reinvent" me...

If you fail, then I reserve the right to tell you to shut the fuck up :yup:

I'm eagerly waiting for your help, send me a PM
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You can tell me whatever you want. I cannot reinvent you, you have to reinvent yourself. I'm not your life coach, in fact i think te whole idea to beridiculous.
 
I want to COMPLAINNNNN

I buy 50 ped of ammo which lets me kill about 600-700 Snablesnot (male young only). When all is said and done my returns appear to be about 90%.

So yesterday I'm wrapping up a nice little run, and looks like I'm going to go over 100%, maybe 101 or so on return. I'm down to the last couple hundred shots ... and the last 45 mobs I kill ... I'm not making this up or exaggerating ... the last 45 mobs I kill give 38 'no loot' messages. I started counting after 8 in a row, then I got one lootable, then another 7no loots in a row, etc etc, until I had run out of ammo at 38 out of 45 mobs not dropping anything.

No joke - 85% of the mobs I killed in that half hour gave zero loot. Not even those crap fragments. And if it wasnt for that bs I'd have had a nice little run.

I guess thats my reward for skilling up this weapon and hunting at max eco. Deposited a final 10bucks to get an A101, see if hunting the Opalo/A101 at max eco on the best possible mob will get me anywhere.

I have a sinking feeling I'll be getting a consistent steady loss regardless of how I try to min/max. I know some people will say 'ride it out' but the blogs I've seen don't support that. It's a steady consistent drain of funds, that further diminishes each time it's recycled.

I've also seen people say Hunting is never profitable, it's a 'fun' activity that people pay to do.

Lulwhat ? Stand in front of mob - turn gun on. Turn gun off. Find next mob.

Fun?

YIKES !
 
@ OP

you missed the point, youre not playing against MA or FPC. If you still think you do and moan about their loot distribution you are still newbie maybe even noob.

In fact you play against the other players who most obviously play better than you. If you think you are ubah in a young daikiba spawn you should try and proof it and kick the shit out of the other players hunting there. Theres a nieche for everyone out there, the problem is to find it. The spawn, the BP or the mining spot where you lead the board is your key to success. But never forget that your success attracts other players who might be even better than you, than its your task to be flexible, meaning get better than them or find a new nieche.

My friend its a competition between you and me! So dont skate on my ramp before you made sure that you do the better tricks and can teach me something.
 
greenhell said:
Lulwhat ? Stand in front of mob - turn gun on. Turn gun off. Find next mob.

Fun?

YIKES !
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The fun comes from the chance that you might loot something nice. You know... gambling. :) Also with the increase in skills every pull at the slot machine costs a tiny amount less and you can play more expensive slot machines in the future. ;)
 
greenhell said:
It's a steady consistent drain of funds, that further diminishes each time it's recycled.

I've also seen people say Hunting is never profitable, it's a 'fun' activity that people pay to do.

Lulwhat ? Stand in front of mob - turn gun on. Turn gun off. Find next mob.

Fun?

YIKES !
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If everyone profited, no one would pay for the game.
Honestly, you should EXPECT to lose.

Also, how is your described hunting scenario different from any other grin MMORPG?
<Hint, other than RCE, it's not>

If you don't find shoot/kill/loot/shoot/kill/loot fun, you could always drop/excavate/run/drop/excavate/run, or maybe you might even want to try load BP/load materials/turn on auto/watch TV while "crafting".

:lolup:
 
Chrome said:
If everyone profited, no one would pay for the game.
Honestly, you should EXPECT to lose.

Also, how is your described hunting scenario different from any other grin MMORPG?
<Hint, other than RCE, it's not>

If you don't find shoot/kill/loot/shoot/kill/loot fun, you could always drop/excavate/run/drop/excavate/run, or maybe you might even want to try load BP/load materials/turn on auto/watch TV while "crafting".

:lolup:
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God I HATE these forums editing a post is so frustrating.

ANYWAY I'll give ya an example of what I mean only cuz ya asked for it. I'll use WoW for an example cuz I played it for a while. On my Hunter, a ranged damage dealing class ...

Find a mob, I'd send in the pet and get a Hunter's Mark up (debuff to mob that increases my ranged damage against that mob), then follow with a Concussive Shot ( ranged snare - slows mob movement speed) then follow with S.Sting, which is a damage over time - will 'bleed' my mob while I kite it around.

At this point, I run in the opposite direction, maybe a nice 360 jumping turn to fire a shot while running, maybe stutter step some auto-shots, whatever. If mob falls under 20%, finish with a Kill Shot, if mob reaches me in melee range then fall back with stun / disorient abilities or use a Freezing Trap, w/e.

Then move onto the next mob. All that takes a familiarity with the game, the games classes and those classes abilities, good keyboard/mouse skills, good keybindings and muscle memory etc etc etc.

The combat presents a challenge, and when you become good at it you are rewarded with a kill speed that lesser skilled / knowledgeable players can't touch.

Now remind me again of Entropia's combat system ... hmmm ... thats about as 'engaging' as flushing my toilet. Involves zero though process, bare minimal 'skill' or any kind of knowledge, really.

Turn gun on. Turn gun off.

whooopdiedoo.

Hows PvP ? Two people turn their guns on and the player who deposited more wins ?
 
Audrey Cheerful said:
The fun comes from the chance that you might loot something nice. You know... gambling. :) Also with the increase in skills every pull at the slot machine costs a tiny amount less and you can play more expensive slot machines in the future. ;)
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AKKKKK I think you've helped me discover the problem! I hate gambling !

Seriously ... there are 2 world class casinos near my house, never go cuz I think gambling is lame.


Hrrrrrm .... so .... besides the gambling ... and the 'make some money' pipe-dream ... someone give me some reasons for playing :)) .... what I mean is ... what do YOU enjoy about the game / compells you to play?
 
greenhell said:
AKKKKK I think you've helped me discover the problem! I hate gambling !

Seriously ... there are 2 world class casinos near my house, never go cuz I think gambling is lame.


Hrrrrrm .... so .... besides the gambling ... and the 'make some money' pipe-dream ... someone give me some reasons for playing :)) .... what I mean is ... what do YOU enjoy about the game / compells you to play?
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get a shop... or have a lot of time on your hands to trade in p2p trades at Twin, where your hourly wage might end up being less then if you just sweated because you might be standing there yelling with no buyers for literally hours on end...

trading is the only real profession in game that does not rely on gambling completely - although it could be thought of that way if you play games and speculate.

Sweating and chat is also not reliant on gambling too much.
 
RJ-Rob said:
i dont want anyone to reply because i will not reply to it either........

PLEASE DONT REPLY TO THIS THREAD
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There's an easy way to achieve this.


:locked:

In the future, if you really don't want replies, post in your blog section. The forum section is for discussions.
 
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