Question: Need help with correct gear.

Hi hunting folk,

I am planning to "come back" to the game. I want to start hunting at first (did just some crafting the last time).
Since my highest hunting level is laser sniper with level 17 I want to use a laser weapon. I have 32 agility and 103 HP.
My own plan is to use Riker UL 2 (maybe unlimited version) with A103 and to shoot argos without armor, just a small fap.
I would like to hear your advices since I dont have much information about whats going on in the hunting profession today.
Also the right mob would be very interesting, since I have no clue about what mob loots which items, you know I am interested in some markup

All in all I dont want to be a gambler and am willing to spend some ped for the right gear. If I could handle a good mob with markup items without armor that would be cool but I will definately use your advices!


Thanks in advance and happy hunting for you all, Hades.

Hi Hades,

You may find my data interesting on hunting argos:

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/...he-loot-pool&p=2691411&viewfull=1#post2691411

So far I've found this to be very low cost:

Explorer Armor + 2C plates
Fap-5 (or TT vivo would be similar)
Unlimited Smacker Three (power fist)

Un-plated pixie also works well, just a few pec more expensive than paladin (barely noticeable).

My returns with this set-up have me in profit so far. Even if I were to fall into loss, it'd be very slow loss so I'd be able to play for a long time.

I fully recommend using a UL item with SIB. When using a weapon without SIB my losses were insane.

Of course, most the decay is in the weapon/ammo when it comes to mobs like these - about 97%. So finding the most eco weapon is very important.

Unlimited Riker UL2 looks to be cheaper to use than the weapon I use, so I fully recommend it! There was one on auction recently, not sure if it's still on there. I might beat you to it, actually

Infact, my latest run should be the most interesting for you.

The set up worked well, and in this instance I had good returns. Riker UL2 should be even more efficient.

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/...he-loot-pool&p=2696650&viewfull=1#post2696650

Thanks for you infos Mikeemooo,

further information about markup-loots on different mobs would be good.

If someone has an unlimited version of Riker UL2 or UL3 to sell, pls write me a pm

Greetings Hades

Hunting argos naked is a bad idea, they gang !!!! and you'll be dead very quick. And by experience naked = fail. Dunno whats your budget but here is a nice old-school setup. Rascal + 5A. Wont need to fap, unless a Hunter pops outta nowhere or get crit. And you could hunt small drones too with a decent healing tool. You cant escape decay, unless you like to die often.

Up until recently I have been hunting argo young to guardian using:
Unlimited Riker UL2 (plus opalo for finisher).
Settler plus 5B

With that set up u wont need to combat Fap at all and would rarely need to Fap between mobs. The Vivo
T1 is really all you need. And you should be ok if you get swarmed by a bunch of them.

Decay is a bit more expensive than pixie unplated but you save the cost of fapping and and cycle through mobs faster.

Personally I would go with either the above setup or pixie. The armour vs mobs advisor in entropedia is very handy for making comparisons.

The only reason I have stopped hunting with the Riker for now is I am skilling laser pistol so using Korss H400.

Creature Maturity Pixie Decay Settler+5B Decay Explorer+2C Decay Rascal+5A Decay
Argonaut Young 3.5 0.778 1.0 1.081 4.5 0.630 1.0 1.681
Scout 10.5 0.822 2.5 1.551 11.5 0.663 1.0 2.125
Adult 10.5 0.822 2.5 1.551 11.5 0.663 1.0 2.125
Gatherer 14.3 0.822 5.2 1.597 15.3 0.663 1.4 2.221
Guardian 18.0 0.822 8.6 1.601 19.0 0.663 2.8 2.257
Scavenger 33.0 0.822 22.2 1.742 34.0 0.663 14.2 2.266
Raider 39.0 0.822 28.0 1.757 40.0 0.663 20.0 2.266
Hunter 54.8 0.822 43.8 1.762 55.8 0.663 35.8 2.266
Warrior 69.0 0.822 58.0 1.762 70.0 0.663 50.0 2.266
Leader 78.8 0.822 67.8 1.762 79.8 0.663 59.8 2.266
HP PEC HP PEC HP PEC HP PEC

Hmm the above is supposed to be a nicely formatted table but forum stripped out all the white space

Regards
KikkiJikki

KijkkiJikki said:

Up until recently I have been hunting argo young to guardian using:
Unlimited Riker UL2 (plus opalo for finisher).
Settler plus 5B

With that set up u wont need to combat Fap at all and would rarely need to Fap between mobs. The Vivo
T1 is really all you need. And you should be ok if you get swarmed by a bunch of them.

Decay is a bit more expensive than pixie unplated but you save the cost of fapping and and cycle through mobs faster.

Personally I would go with either the above setup or pixie. The armour vs mobs advisor in entropedia is very handy for making comparisons.

The only reason I have stopped hunting with the Riker for now is I am skilling laser pistol so using Korss H400.

Creature Maturity Pixie Decay Settler+5B Decay Explorer+2C Decay Rascal+5A Decay
Argonaut Young 3.5 0.778 1.0 1.081 4.5 0.630 1.0 1.681
Scout 10.5 0.822 2.5 1.551 11.5 0.663 1.0 2.125
Adult 10.5 0.822 2.5 1.551 11.5 0.663 1.0 2.125
Gatherer 14.3 0.822 5.2 1.597 15.3 0.663 1.4 2.221
Guardian 18.0 0.822 8.6 1.601 19.0 0.663 2.8 2.257
Scavenger 33.0 0.822 22.2 1.742 34.0 0.663 14.2 2.266
Raider 39.0 0.822 28.0 1.757 40.0 0.663 20.0 2.266
Hunter 54.8 0.822 43.8 1.762 55.8 0.663 35.8 2.266
Warrior 69.0 0.822 58.0 1.762 70.0 0.663 50.0 2.266
Leader 78.8 0.822 67.8 1.762 79.8 0.663 59.8 2.266
HP PEC HP PEC HP PEC HP PEC

Hmm the above is supposed to be a nicely formatted table but forum stripped out all the white space

Regards
KikkiJikki

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...mind if I ask why you're using Settler? More expensive than Pixie when you get less protection against Argos (as well as most mobs)? Just wondering...

I would also not recommend doing argos naked. Youll just die when they gang up on you. Even if you dont care about that, you will spend more then if you use armor. Unless you really want the fap skills---and dont mind the expense---use armor.

Im doing the argo iron challenges atm and using an unplated gremlin/rascal mix. Its overkill for youngs, but even still my armor bill is only 1.21% of my expenses. And i never have to fap unless i encounter a lot of guardians or something larger then that.

I'm not sure where some of these armor suggestions come from. Use the armor advisor on entropedia!!

Don't select an armor from guess work. Some of the setups posted here are complete over kill. Why would you not want to fap at all in a hunt? That's inefficient. You shouldn't be taking 1 damage hits regularly.

I use Explorer + 2C. There's very slightly better setups, but 2C plates are nice and cheap. Explorer will be hard to find on auction, but someone would be able to craft it for you for very few peds.

RobBuona said:

...mind if I ask why you're using Settler? More expensive than Pixie when you get less protection against Argos (as well as most mobs)? Just wondering...

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Well I dont agree that its more expensive for less protection, though it is more expensive.

Against argo young, average damage against Pixie is 2.5 more than against Settler+5b, cost diff is approx 0.2 pec
For Scout and adult its a diff of 8 dam with addtional cost of approx 0.7 pec for that extra protection.
For Gatherer, the average dam difference is approx 9, additional cost 0.775 pec
Guardian: av dam diff = 9.4, cost diff = 0.8 pec
Scavenger dam = 9.8, cost = .92 pec
Raider dam = 11, dam = .935 pec
Hunter - well against hunter u probably just gonna die. Thats what happens to me anyway.

(These figures taken from entropedia)

If anything the main downside is risk of overprotection against the lower maturities, I tend to get a lot of 1 pt dam from youngs and adults.

So is it less eco to use settler+5b? Perhaps. I havent calculated the offsetting savings from no need to fap especially no combat fapping. But I can kill a lot more argos in a given time. And being swarmed is never a problem. Is more fun, more peds cycled, more globals.

Armour decay cost is minor part of overall hunt cost. Right now I am hunting with korss h400 + A105 plus dam enhance (yes dam enhance is prob uneco but I am testing enhancer break rates).
Average ammo per run is around 150 ped. aprox 50 ped weapon decay and armour decay is any where from 2 to 5 ped.

Regards,
KikkiJikki

Mikeemooo,

I agree that settler+5b could be considered over protection for low maturity argos. My main focus is on fun and skilling so it works for me.

How did you get that data formatted as a table?

Regards,
KikkiJikki

KijkkiJikki said:

Mikeemooo,

I agree that settler+5b could be considered over protection for low maturity argos. My main focus is on fun and skilling so it works for me.

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Why does using more efficient armor decrease your fun/skilling?

KijkkiJikki said:

How did you get that data formatted as a table?

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Just copy and paste from http://www.entropiawiki.com/ArmorAdviser.aspx

It increases my fun cos I am mostly just killing things. Still need to fap between attacks occasionally if my health goes low enuff. Generally I can rely on natural healing.

It increases my skilling because I am doing more damage per unit of time. Time not spent fapping can be used to shoot.

And as I explained in an earlier post the armour decay cost is not a significant proportion of my total hunt cost.
I do try to reduce the impact of overprotection by going for locations where there are a higher proportion of scouts - guardians but if i run into a bunch of youngs, thats ok.

Regards,
KikkiJikki

I think your gears are good and the idea is super, just dont shoot agro and choose Fouls instead.

You need some small wep to finish the Fouls though.. proably you dont even need to fap at all

Argo's are a nice camping mob.. as they drop iron.. which isn't a high markup item.. but does sell very well and very quick. They do drop alot of tt armor parts.. but the random cb19 drop comes in handy to try and get you back to even for your run.

You mentioned you were lvl 17 laser sniper and looking at using a Riker UL2 or UL3.. of these 2 I would suggest the 3 if you can get one.. as it has a bit higher dmg per sec which will save on armor decay. If you haven't given much consideration to blp rifles.. I would look at a cb13 or cb19 depending on your prof standing right now. These have a much higher dmg and fire rate then the riker's which will cut down and the armor decay as well.

I have already finished the first argo mission chain using nothing more then pixie 2a's hunting the little argo south east of jason center. Now I am almost done with the Broze mission hunting the larger argo east of tukar.. and still using pixie 5b to keep me alive. On the hunters I might have to fap once before they are dead unless I get a few on me at one time.

Hope you find the setup that works for you and enjoy camping what ever mob you decide on.

SpikE

Hello,

thank you all for your very welcome information.

Hear my thoughts on all of this so far:

I did argo hunting the last two days naked with Riker UL2(L) and Vivo T10(L).
In average an argo hits me ca. 1,5 times. That is so far ok for me to have fun while hunting. Every 3 argos (just young, scout, adult) I have to use the fap. I looked on entropedia and Vivo T10 seems to be the most eco available for me.

In future I plan to buy definately unlimited version of UL2 or UL3 to tier it and to use damage enhancers for UL2 or eco enhancers for UL3. This way I could hunt them naked almost without the need to fap.
Someone mentioned that argos team up. That is definately a point. The overall agression of the argos seems to be high and I cant go into the "argo area". I need to stand at the edge and kill them at the border of their herds.

I didnt test Fouls at all.
Could someone tell me if Foul loot markup items? The iron on the argos has markup but its not much, 4% is definately better than nothing but I cant see an item that is rarely dropping and has very highmarkup, so that you have a chance to profit from argo hunting... That wont change my plans for now cause the above plan is the only and most eco I can get at the moment and I think the riker will also work for other mobs such as Foul.

Still all of your information is valuable to me, keep them coming forum folks .

Greetings Hades

hmm...

is there any useful guide/link here in this forum that can tell us optimum/correct and recommended setup and gear for each mob according to level...example

daikiba - pistol m2100
cornundacounda - breer m2a fap 5 pixie armor
feffoid - isis lr

like that...........

or do we just have to test ourself...

sakuraqueen said:

hmm...

is there any useful guide/link here in this forum that can tell us optimum/correct and recommended setup and gear for each mob according to level...example

daikiba - pistol m2100
cornundacounda - breer m2a fap 5 pixie armor
feffoid - isis lr

like that...........

or do we just have to test ourself...

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I'd suggest trying to have around 16-18 seconds on each mob for lower level mobs, so the wiki is nice for this.

So using the Weapon Chart and the Armor advisor you can quickly find the right weapon. On lower mobs I'd always completely recommend using items with SIB.

For example,

mob health (300) / 16 seconds = 18 DPS

Which puts these in range:

Argonaut Young = Loughlin Cutter Three, Riker UL3, Riker UL2, Embra Laser Sword C1, Svempa S60, Isis BL800, Korss H380, Loughlin Smacker Three

Then use the Armor Advisor to find the most efficient armor. Either way you should not be regularly taking 1 damage hits, always aim for 2dmg being the max damage you receive.

Mikeemooo said:

Either way you should not be regularly taking 1 damage hits, always aim for 2dmg being the max damage you receive.

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Absolutely correctly, though it would be good to explain why for those who don't see this as a bad thing. 1.0 is the minimum damage an avatar can take, and armor decay increases at an increasing rate with increases in damage. So if protection is doubled, decay is more than doubled. At some point, continuing to increase the damage absorbed by your armor/plates is no longer efficient, and you'd be better off healing. This topic is covered quite in-depth here:

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?94684-How-Armor-Works&highlight=how+armor

1.0 hits aren't necessarily bad. It can be bad but doesn't have to be. If you are using plates, you generally want to avoid 1.0s because you are very likely overlapping decay on both the armor and the plate. But if you aren't using plates it can still be quite economical even if you are getting 1.0s. That's assuming you aren't using like a 200 protection armor against a 10 damage creature.

Using gremlin on small argos is overkill, but its still economical. Even tho a young hits me for 1.0 damage its still 14.08 damage/pec and thats quite economical for armor. Fapping is less then 10dmg/pec without markup, for the more economical faps. For the non economical faps its more like 3-5dmg/pec. Ignoring the super rare super expensive faps that is. I dont have to worry if a higher maturity comes along im still protected. And if i get swarmed i dont have to worry at all.

Take explorer+2c mentioned above. 16.63dmg/pec which is extremly good. However average damage 4.52 against a young. Assuming a halfway decent spawn you will have to fap most of this extra. Lets say you have to fap 2.5 damage and regen the other 2, thats being generous in a good spawn, you will likely fap more. Lets also say you heal it with nothing but the vivo t1 for 9.98dmg/pec, that costs you an additional 0.25 pec per hit. Your overall efficicy has gone down a lot, you are now at 14.77dmg/pec. Thats still quite respectable.

However, now lets assume you have a adult instead. Average damage 11.5, now you are healing 9.5 under the same rules for an additional 0.95 pec per hit. This brings your efficiency down to 12.42. This is still very respectable. However, unplated gremlin beats it at the adult level with 2.0 hits at 12.98dmg/pec, and no fapping needed. Unplated rascal also beats it at 13.22 dmg/pec with 4.0 hits; 12.81 when you include 2 damage worth of healing.

If you are in a spawn with just young, then a different option is better. But if you are in a mixed spawn the very low level armors/plates will make you fap all the time. Which lowers their efficiency, and likely makes you fap too much. Note, im not saying low level armors are bad, they definitly have uses.

Unplated pixi is good. With a little evade you probably would barely even need a fap. Ul riker I don't know about as you will probably move past it fairly fast but if you want to keep it for a long time go for it.