Question: NEVERDIE and his influence in people trust and game

As a developer let me just say to you that almost ALL of your assumptions a factually incorrect and the rest are are just too stupid to make any comment on.

The one thing that you might be correct on is diversity always brings down the value of "the only game in town" and you were just too stupid to sell...deposited 30k euro whaaaahhhhh. Trust me, being the loudest doesn't make you correct it just makes you the loudest idiot.

#LOSING
So what kind of stuff do you devlop? Because as a Game Design student I disagree with your point of view. So would be good to hear some arguments why you came to the conclusion that Black Hawk is wrong with his opinion.
 
hmmmmm...Wrong.

Edit...but I will say that I do know him as well as people that work in LA, Mexico and Sweden. I have no side here...but when I read something that is so incorrect, ya know, you gotta speak out against such ignorance.

you could clear up who you are by showing your avatar name perhaps.
 
PS Narfi, given what you have said in this thread, I truly hope you won't be complaining about your failed investments if and when NDS go bust and/or Rocktropia dies.

When I see people such as you, BlackHawk, McCormic, etc... people that use to have such a passion for the game, even wizzizz i think used to have a positive persona before my time, I wonder where I will be in 2-3 years as well. I wonder why I can see such good in something that you guys seem to despise so much.

The list is long of people who used to have a passion and are now openly vocal against anything and everything that happens.

Contrary to what some may think it appears, I am honest with myself and my expectations from this game. I think it is because I have such realistic expectations that I can maintain such a positive point of view.

I have never deposited or kept in the game anything that I was not willing to loose the next day. The game itself is dynamic so values can change or fluctuate overnight. This isn't a new thing. I bought a scanner and lost about 1.5k ped on it because of market fluctuation. I sold a dagger that was 1 of 2 existing in the game and 2 days later a 3rd dropped. I think the price for that dagger is now around 1/2 what I sold it for.

I was content, active, and working to help new players before I ever got such a lucky loot, and I have continued to do so since.

I think that it may be my involvement with new players on a daily basis that allows me to see the bright future that this Universe Holds for us. The joy of new and the unknown is presented to me on a daily basis. I am not stuck in an elite and stagnant society that has a set way of playing that has brought them success in the past.

Sure, I have played at a higher level this year than I did last year. But I am still conservative in my actions, I enjoy playing and studying. I enjoy it because it is ever changing and the competition is fierce.

Rocktropia will not fail, but if the markets crash I wont mind loosing the estates I have or the items I own because I had them and enjoyed them. It was and is a game to enjoy.

Call me arrogant for pointing out the obvious, and maybe I am. But it saddens me to see the old veterans who could have been such better mentors than I will ever be abusing their positions in the community to crush the spirits of others.

Because of my conservative playing style, I will never have the skills or possessions that any/most of you guys do. Is it possible that acceptance of that is why I am content?

Maybe BlackHawks recent bitterness is because he has forgotten his roots, he no longer helps people and so can no longer receive the joy that such activities bring. How about you Oleg? You are a big name around here, but I don't really know what you do. Maybe take more new players on hunts with you, maybe do some tp runs. I don't know. Its also my rl personality, so of course that plays a big part in it as well. But I know you guys have had different attitudes in the past, so it cant be RL running over, or can it? The economy is bad, people change, familys break apart.

I don't know.

There is so much I don't know. But I am honest with myself. Maybe we can work together for the future of the universe? Maybe take the energy spent in hatred could be turned somehow to good?

I don't know.

I do know that I enjoy the game and it is worth what I pay to play. I know that I have made great friends here, they are worth more than I have paid to play. Investments are the backbone of the idea behind a RCE, but the reality is its still a game.
If you don't enjoy it, you wont invest, if you don't invest, then the markets crash, if the markets crash people loose faith.

The other side of the coin though is.

If you do enjoy it, you will want to invest, since you are investing the markets will strengthen, as the markets strengthen then people gain faith in the system.

It is the people that make the game enjoyable or miserable, not the content of the game. YOU are starting the chain of events which will affect your own markets.

I honestly think we all want the Universe and the RCE to last, and to become stronger than it ever has. But we disagree on the approach.

I truly believe that the planets will succeed, and that new players will come in and strengthen the economy and the Universe will grow.

I also believe that the biggest hindrance to that growth is the negativity cultured here on this forum.
The old veterans are not interested in 'protecting' their investments by nurturing the future. Instead they devalue their own investments with threads like this.

The system will succeed it really is just a matter of who will be around to see it to fruition.

In summery:
I like the game and am willing to loose anything I have in it because I understand it is just a game and I am paying for my entertainment.
Those who have invested heavily in the past are devaluing their own investments through their current actions.
The new players are our future, and they are what breath life into the Universe, without them you are nothing but a bunch of old fools trying to take each others ped.
You should work to nurture new players and their experiences in the game and forum in order to protect your own investments, and to re-breath the fun back into your gaming.

Good luck and have fun :)
I am.

narfi
 
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I am not going to tell you who I am and obviously I work somewhere in the Entropia Universe. Ehhh...game design student put your energy drink down, stop pounding your pud and hit those max books or digital tutors or whatever your noob self needs, see the 17 years I have been doin' this shiat means it's all in my head.
 
Interesting... I just had a chat with NEVERDIE in game and you post about diversity and call me the loudest idiot. Maybe I am. Maybe tomorrow you turn on the no loot for me... Who knows. But the fact is that you give no arguments. You try to convince me that I am wrong by screaming louder.

You could have explained how things really are. Not say that they are not the way I think they are. By screaming loud at me and calling me stupid you make it hard to see the wisdom in your point of viiew.


I want valid arguments if you are to convince me of anything. Not marketing bullshit.
 
NDS is broke and what you see here are the side effects of the desperate measures by ND/MA to rescue the first really independent planet partner - and because a shutdown of RT would affect SEE in a not-so-positive way, too ("the sky is falling!"-threads galore), so they just sit and let it happen.
(dozends of other planets will very likely never be created if RT fails already after such a short period of time)

I think this is the reason of all the irregularities we see linked to ND/NDS.
But RT as it is.....I can't imagine a future for it.... at least not based on it's current content.
I'm just hoping Arkadia would give a better perspective of the growth of EU.

.....packing up;)
 
I am not going to tell you who I am and obviously I work somewhere in the Entropia Universe. Ehhh...game design student put your energy drink down, stop pounding your pud and hit those max books or digital tutors or whatever your noob self needs, see the 17 years I have been doin' this shiat means it's all in my head.
Now that you admitted that you work "somewhere" in the EU business I think it is clear for which company. ;)
For the rest of your post I just say thanks for the flowers and I for one know where my position is and I agree that it often is infront of 3DS Max books.
However there is one thing missing in your post: where are the arguments to back up your opinion on the topic of the thread?
 
I am not going to tell you who I am and obviously I work somewhere in the Entropia Universe. Ehhh...game design student put your energy drink down, stop pounding your pud and hit those max books or digital tutors or whatever your noob self needs, see the 17 years I have been doin' this shiat means it's all in my head.

I would have thought that in 17 years you might have learned that insulting the customers is not a great idea.

If I was your employer, tomorrow would be your last day in the job.
 
I'm not gonna jump in on the conspiracy theories, but I really hate that they have calypso mobs on RT. When I first heard about planets, I thought that things would be alot more different from calypso. Right now it just feels like a new continent, but childish and messy.

And Narfi, do you suggest that people just accept all changes for the worse, without expressing their opinions? I think many people care more about the game itself than their investments, but its just my thoughts.
 
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I would have thought that in 17 years you might have learned that insulting the customers is not a great idea.

If I was your employer, tomorrow would be your last day in the job.

When you hide behind a fake name, you can say whatever you want and get away with it.

He should be a man and say who he is and take the risk of what he is saying. Lots of my friends think the way I do and they would never say anything because they feel that would change their luck in game. It may. It may not. We'll see. But I think is only fair to take the risk and not use a second avatar and a BS name to voice your opinion.
 
And Narfi, do you suggest that people just accept all changes for the worse, without expressing their opinions? I think many people care more about the game itself than their investments, but its just my thoughts.

Not at all. This is a forum, and we should express opinions. It is good for both sides of an argument to be presented, otherwise its not an honest discussion.

I do however believe that the manner in which such opinions have been presented over the last months on this forum are counter productive.

I also think that there is a time when you must be honest with yourself and stop beating the proverbial "Dead Horse"

There are things you can and things you can not affect. Once you have calmly stated your opinion or disapproval and it is clear that it is something you can not affect, then it is a waste of energy to try. Instead you must turn your energy into making the best of a situation you would rather have never been in.

This is what I am hoping some people can see from me presenting "the other side" of the argument here.

It is impossible to satisfy every person. So it is best to be honest with yourself and make the best of the situations you fall into.

Hopefully that makes sense.

narfi
 
When I first heard about planets, I thought that things would be alot more different from calypso. Right now it just feels like a new continent, but childish and messy.

Exactly my thoughts.


And how can MA accept HOPEYOUDIE to release things like this?
 
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I am not going to tell you who I am and obviously I work somewhere in the Entropia Universe. Ehhh...game design student put your energy drink down, stop pounding your pud and hit those max books or digital tutors or whatever your noob self needs, see the 17 years I have been doin' this shiat means it's all in my head.
3ds max is overrated and overpriced...
 
Not at all. This is a forum, and we should express opinions. It is good for both sides of an argument to be presented, otherwise its not an honest discussion.

Not if one persons arguments are total BS.

Tate ;)
 
There is so much I don't know. But I am honest with myself. Maybe we can work together for the future of the universe? Maybe take the energy spent in hatred could be turned somehow to good?

It's not hatred, or at least I don't think it is. I think it's asking for fairness and equality, and FOLLOWING THE RULES...


https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/...eal-a-secret&p=2234952&highlight=#post2234952
And it still stands - all avatars' are equal.

Currently Neverdie is taking actions that are making things highly unfair and unequal...

http://www.neverdie.com/neverdie-studio-news/4273-planet-partner-avatars-prohibited.html
12-28-2010 09:57 PM

It has been brought to my attention that the Planet Partner Agreement strictly Prohibits Planet Owners or planet Partner Employees from Playing Entropia universe with private Avatars...

IF Mindark Choose to make public the specifics of this agreement, then that is up to them.

In general though What that means as far as I understand it regarding ROCKtropia and NEVERDIE Studios is that all of our Private Avatars must cease to engage in all End User Game Play activities, excluding perhaps logging in to manage pre-exisiting assets, until such time that employment is terminated.

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Where in looting the 3k+ listed above do you see fairness and equality, especially from someone who only a few days before doing that said that he was not to participate in end user activities, which would be the very activities that would allow an avatar to loot anything...???

Where's the fairness and equality in selling CND and then just rebuilding the blasted thing in a different form on another planet AFTER collecting a heck of a lot of peds for selling the first one?!?

Where is the fairness and equality in calling the community a mob on a witch hunt when there is no witch hunt, just a request for a planet partner to follow the terms of a contract he himself signed?
 
narfi's life story, along with passive aggressive comments since noone taught him to behave.

(...)

If you do enjoy it, you will want to invest, since you are investing the markets will strengthen, as the markets strengthen then people gain faith in the system.

It is the people that make the game enjoyable or miserable, not the content of the game.

(...)

I also believe that the biggest hindrance to that growth is the negativity cultured here on this forum.
The old veterans are not interested in 'protecting' their investments by nurturing the future. Instead they devalue their own investments with threads like this.
Completely blocking out all the "The sky is falling" discussions in order for the estate business (and the likes) to flourish, isn't exactly my idea of how to nurture the game; or the playerbase. It didn't work in USSR, it won't work here.
If anything, what one would do is disprove the arguments, which in turn would raise people's trust for the system.
Pretty much the opposite of what you're doing, as there doesn't seem to go a post within this thread by you that isn't cluttered with ad hominem.

And content (or rather in this context, availability and stability) are essential for any forms of rational investment. Even if a large cartel of players is formed, with the sole purpose of simply overbidding on estates and the likes, it's not going to hold up. Not when you have Planet Partners going on the tangent line of legality, with publicity stunts in order to defend their actions.

I am not going to tell you who I am and obviously I work somewhere in the Entropia Universe. Ehhh...game design student put your energy drink down, stop pounding your pud and hit those max books or digital tutors or whatever your noob self needs, see the 17 years I have been doin' this shiat means it's all in my head.

17 years experience and not enough of a man to even post your fictional avatar name. Ontop of that all you've posted so far on this account is flamebait without any empirical foundation.
Your posts clearly ooze with such credibility that everyone should just put down everything and bow to you.
 
ad hominem
I had to look this up to see what it meant. (told you I wasn't educated :p )

While I didn't mean to insult you or Blackhawk or anyone else who failed to see what I thought was obvious, you are right it wasn't kind to insinuate that you lacked part of your mental capacity.

I apologize for saying that anyone who couldn't see the obvious only had half a brain.

Now can we work towards a better Universe?

narfi
 
hmmmmm...Wrong.

Edit...but I will say that I do know him as well as people that work in LA, Mexico and Sweden. I have no side here...but when I read something that is so incorrect, ya know, you gotta speak out against such ignorance.

Hi Starhopper
 
The reality is that is ALMOST totally MA's fault.

They have failed to control ND within the confines of the PP agreement, so created the current distrust surrounding him and all his "crew".

They knew he was taking advantage of their unwillingness to behave within the agreed to terms of the PP agreement , they allowed him to continue to play as a normal avatar until the community at large made such a fuss that they were forced to do something about it. Even then they allowed him to "give the impression" that he was being told something new and unexpected, and that he would reluctantly and begrudgingly comply. He knew he had to give up his player avatar when he signed the PP agreement, yet behaved like a child throwing a tantrum when told that he would actually have to comply with the agreement he had signed.

This is where the majority of distrust of ND came from... and that has stained MA as well.
MA's almost complete lack of communication with the community, on issues that matter to them, doesnt help. Even if they posted once per month, on the relevant forums, about issues that have been raised time and time again, and what we can expect to resolve those issues, would help restore some of the faith. Their choice to remain silent on many issues creates distrust and adds to the "impression" that they dont care about the community at large, as long as the deposits keep coming.

ND's creation of the new CND like dome is hardly a surprise - it was a great money spinner for him , so he is trying to replicate it, given that he has admitted that he is broke. However it does raise the issue of whether Foma agreed to buy Fortuna on the basis of it being a "unique" structure purchase, or if he was informed that it could be replicated at any time , by anyone. I guess "technically" its not the same as it is not on an asteroid, but I'm sure you get the point.

The lack of progress by NDS on NI is yet another issue - are they incapable of completing the necessary programming, or unwilling to do it with any great effort? NI has basically not had any decent content update since it was opened up to the community,around 6 months ago, and it would seem that the only land area that was even remotely close to being finished was ND's land. It has stagnated and now seems to have slipped almost everyones mind. They have no real content to offer to attract new players , and who wants to advertise an half finished and bugged project when its obvious that most players wont stay. RT in comparison is getting very regular and quite large updates.

"Scannergate", as someone labled the latest blessing on RT, seems to support the fact that there are several people on RT who are taking advantage of insider info. Coincidence? Hmmm......


As far as I am concerned, and this is only my opinion, ND cannot be trusted. He appears to me to be someone who will do anything to further his own cause - even to the detriment of his own business ultimately, if it will net him a few more Ped now.

I see him as someone who ignores the rules, hinders others to better his own position, gives advantages to friends over the benefits of the community, and doesnt appear to care what others think.
Some may say that he has done what any "good" businessman would do. That the object of investment is to make money - I agree, but most businessmen have the sense to not expose their deceptions and manipulations in public - to the people that pay him and help him remain in business. There have been far too many issues surrounding him and his business practices to not become wary and cynical, and I for one will not support anyone whom I believe to be untrustworthy or immoral (in business practices). I think that he has highlighted the worst in MA, and as a consequence EU, and has damaged their reputation as being a "fair" game/platform provider. If I was a potential PP I think I would look elsewhere to invest my money.
 
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+rep

In the face of a (real or perceived) corrupt and oppressive regime, some will become collaborators while some will join the resistance.

Each, in their own way, live by the maxim "adapt and prosper".

History will tell which had right on their side, but history is written by the victors.

There are a third group too - those who do what they can to get out.

I used to have faith in MA and in the future of EU. That faith has been chipped away a piece at a time, and I fear there may be none left. I see no vision. I only see people making it up as they go along without any apparent thought for the long-term consequences of their actions.

PS Narfi, given what you have said in this thread, I truly hope you won't be complaining about your failed investments if and when NDS go bust and/or Rocktropia dies.

+rep

PPS Narfi : I guess when you have enough invested ingame to actually make losing it painful , you would understand better the sentiments of those who have that sort of investments in the game.
 
PPS Narfi : I guess when you have enough invested ingame to actually make losing it painful , you would understand better the sentiments of those who have that sort of investments in the game.

That will never happen, so don't worry about me :)
I play for fun and because I do, I enjoy it.

Life is short, nothing we have in virtual or Real life will last, its all going to BURN.
Understanding and accepting that simple fact brings peace to your existence.

narfi


hehe.... get it? i was being 'punny'
were talking about HELL and i said its all going to BURN
 
So the Daikiba isnt extinct, its extinct on Calypso. Got it. :)

Pioneer wasnt able to let us know which or how many other mobs were shared, but it looks like we will see more kick ass versions of existing mobs in future mobs then ?

Just keep Argonaut on Calypso and I'll be happy. ;)

Maybe they recreate is as Meganaut :p
 
Looking forward when the new pp´s do a copy paste of the "good stuff" from rocktropia/next island. The drama will be interesting in itself since he will then probably claim copyright on some of his ideas. I get the feeling that the brains in MA´s office have 6 months vaccation per year. So much not so unforseen crap slips trough.

Hands out popcorn.

Is there any? Just curious, I would then have at least some incentive to go there.
 
Dont really understand the complaining? EU is just like RL, petty lowlifes and whitecollar lowlifes have been and will always be present trying to scam U in some way or the other. Big eats Small and if Big decideds to torture Small while eating it, well what can I say?? "Lifes a B**** then u die"

Being a virtual world doesnt make it idealistic!

"Don`t worry, be happy" :silly2:
 
I just think that the deal between MA and SDS was a bad deal...
SDS need to remake mobs , so it kill eudoria because we dont like much that kind of change...
Also , it make some unike material , like dome ,weapon,mobs , to become generic and so , make player who did invest in it feel fucked deep ( as usual)...
I also think , it bad advert from a PP to copy paste those generic material , it just show a big lack of idea and creativitie.

All in all , its a big lose/lose/lose system... everyone is losing in that scenario... all that to make some easy quik small eco.

We can not even blame 1 of all of those actor... they all are faulty here...


In the end of the day , its not my game , its not my business, so why should i bother?

There is compagny who pay thousand and million $ for consultant to help them decide good things...
MA/FPC/SDS/ND... have in forum tons of free consultant... yet they are not abel to follow some simple basic common sence advice...Up to them to decide and change.
 
They knew he was taking advantage of their unwillingness to behave within the agreed to terms of the PP agreement , they allowed him to continue to play as a normal avatar until the community at large made such a fuss that they were forced to do something about it. Even then they allowed him to "give the impression" that he was being told something new and unexpected, and that he would reluctantly and begrudgingly comply. He knew he had to give up his player avatar when he signed the PP agreement, yet behaved like a child throwing a tantrum when told that he would actually have to comply with the agreement he had signed.
The thing about it that bugs me is NONE OF US KNOW since MA NEVER HAS SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THE DARN CONTRACT YET! The ONLY statements that have come to us as a community has been from Neverdie himself on his own forum!... The entire planet partners cannot play thing may all just be a huge part of the 'story' that is all really a lie.... might even be why Hell was created as a part of that story?... I mean think about it ND himself is the one that posted about the twitter feed here, well actually on ef. He's the one that posted that statement in December. This entire thing might just be a part of a mass production that we are all playing roles in since all the world is a stage? What's worse, even if it is true that he is not to hunt, mine, craft, etc., one flick of a check box in account settings and he himself can turn the settings to feed twitter of facebook on or off at any given time. For all we know he might be looting the 6 million that was paid for for SDS right this very second so that he can cash it all out just before MA itself declares bankruptcy and later split all that cash with Marco and the rest of the folks on the inside as they sit on a tropical island sipping real cocktails?... Far fetched, maybe, but maybe not. Similar type ofr things have been done irl in huge scams before. Anyone remember Enron?

Kinda reminds me of this old movie:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Make_a_Monster_(2001_film)

How_to_Make_a_Monster_DVD.jpg
 
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Omg now neverdie will create his own Egg, prolly call it Balls of Fire and this one will actually hatch to give birth to Neversourus, and poor Deathifier will shad a tear or two..
 
I just think that the deal between MA and SDS was a bad deal...
SDS need to remake mobs , so it kill eudoria because we dont like much that kind of change...
Also , it make some unike material , like dome ,weapon,mobs , to become generic and so , make player who did invest in it feel fucked deep ( as usual)...
I also think , it bad advert from a PP to copy paste those generic material , it just show a big lack of idea and creativitie.

All in all , its a big lose/lose/lose system... everyone is losing in that scenario... all that to make some easy quik small eco.

We can not even blame 1 of all of those actor... they all are faulty here...


In the end of the day , its not my game , its not my business, so why should i bother?

There is compagny who pay thousand and million $ for consultant to help them decide good things...
MA/FPC/SDS/ND... have in forum tons of free consultant... yet they are not abel to follow some simple basic common sence advice...Up to them to decide and change.

U say everything that's why I'm selling out.
No point to give ideas they knows everything.
 
Well when i think about what makes Entropia special and different from gambling then one thing comes to my mind: MARKET. We already know chance to profit comes from using the market. But for many who don'T care to profit they still need the Markup market provide to have a halfway affordable gameplay on higher levels.

So why i talk about market in this context ?

MArket is created by two sides ( as we already all know ) Supply and demand. On the effect of "accidental" item drops and the way they were handled, well we already had a long controversial thread about it, so i pass on this one. Let's talk what creates demand. The desire to own something which improves ( in terms of EU ) our gaming experience. But we limit our desire to posess something by the price. When i buy something i need

a) thrust it's worth to possess
b) thrust it doesn't lose the whole value over night when i decided to pay a lot for it

In EU items worth to posess are mostly items which give better chance to profit or at least to compete with the tops of the playerbase. But to compete with the top you either need a fat wallet or come close to break even. For this you need markups. When markup is destroyed by poor balancing owning such an item just serves the purpose to compete with the top, which is usually a weaker reason to invest than profit expectation. Especially when competing with the top becomes a money sink due to missing markup in loot.

And in addition to that ppl aren'T willing to pay a lot when "accidental" item drops might destroy the value of your item within hours. And this also is an issue of thrust.

So basically everything in EU what is connected to market is build on thrust to the platform and the platform providers. So what is EU when someone manages to undermine thrust into the game ?

So i can agree to most of Hawk's points. And it's not the problem to have another CND-Like "Dungeon", but the participation on market with the knowledge it would be created - but ppl will learn from their and others mistakes and vote with their wallets when they buy items,deeds and such in the future - we will see what the result will look like.
 
aaah, now I can wait for RT's Critical Palace :laugh:
 
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