Sweat Price Ridiculous :(

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Is anyone else annoyed at the constantly lowering prices of sweat?.

How are newcomers supposed to get anywhere relatively soon (meaning in the first year of play), if people just buy 40000 ME for 4 ped?, completely bypassing the middleman.

The market for sweat is ridiculous considering how much time it takes to get enough to sell (and make a nice little lump sum).

Standing around in Twin Peaks with 7000 sweat, and I can't just let it go for 2.2 ped/k.

Mindark should fix what they started, and make ME cost/worth more and not make sweat worth less.

Then sweating would be worth it for everyone.
 
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Because pretty soon I can see newcomers just depositing because it's almost worthless and dropping rapidly.
Perhaps that is the goal?... If YOU don't like the price that sweat is going for, maybe YOU should deposit more and start paying other participants more in local trade channel. If you don't want to do that why do you expect others to? This is a REAL CASH ECONOMY. The only cash you can and should count on controlling is in your own wallet. Even at 2 pec per 1 k the price is 200% higher then the trade terminal will offer you.

That's a heck of a lot higher markup than a lot of the stuff you can get in other professions easily. Try hunting for a few hours and see how much of your loot ends up having a markup above 200%.
 
Is anyone else annoyed at the constantly lowering prices of sweat?.

How are newcomers supposed to get anywhere relatively soon (meaning in the first year of play), if you can just buy 40000 ME for 4 ped?.

The market for sweat is ridiculous considering how much time it takes to get enough to sell.

Standing around in Twin Peaks with 7000 sweat, and I can't just let it go for 2.2 ped/k.

Mindark should fix what they started, and make ME worth more and not make sweat worth less.

Because pretty soon I can see newcomers just depositing because it's almost worthless and dropping rapidly.

Sounds like Mindarks plan is working then. Why would they want something that is free to collect to have a higher value? They can't pay the bills when people don't deposit. On the other hand, deposits not lasting long enough to keep the new players here would be my bigger concern.
 
Its still FREE MONEY out of pockets of depositors. Why should we deposit and pay your gaming if you are not willing to deposit?
 
Sweating is just about the ONLY activity where a profit is GUARANTEED. As a result the amount of profit MUST BE minimal.

Sweating can be done with loss also, if you use too heavy armors, too big fap and kill the mob with a gun. Just like hunting.
 
It's cool how the advertise EU as free to play when it's like the most expensive game ever.

Yeah, free to play if you can grind months of sweating to buy an Opalo and ammo and burn both in one day. Yay success ! nope.

But I agree with the other posters, sweating is not profitable for MA why should they care?
 
How are newcomers supposed to get anywhere relatively soon (meaning in the first year of play), if you can just buy 40000 ME for 4 ped?.

If you plan to play without depositing, you obviously have very few options to get some peds at first. Most start sweating or search for natural stones (brukite, nissit, etc...). This is extremely time-consuming and boring as you probably know.

But nobody forces anyone to continue sweating or looking for stones for a whole year. As soon as you have a budget of let's say 10 ped, you should start looking for other opportunities to increase your budget at a faster pace. Starting to hunt for example is NOT one of them, it will most likely (99.99% chance) force you to start sweating again very soon.

So sweat till you have a few peds, and try to build up a network of people who regularly need things. A good step towards building a network is joining a soc. You could buy for example explosive ammo for tt from soc mates (I'm sure many would help you with that), and find a buyer for 101 or 101.5%. Your peds will still grow slowly, but definately faster compared to sweating.

I never deposited and only have 199 in my Sweat gathering skill;) Getting close to 200k skills now without ever having a real lucky loot, so there are ways to get peds without having to sweat.
 
The need for ME is limited, but the supply of sweat is unlimited. It is as simple as that, and no, don`t remove syntethic ME from tt, since its the only thing that helps ME users actually get half decent eco and not just waste tons of peds.
 
After the new fuel Sweat + Crude oil, the price of sweat will skyrocked. If you are smart you will start stockpiling sweat now. Before the new spaceships are here.
 
But nobody forces anyone to continue sweating or looking for stones for a whole year. As soon as you have a budget of let's say 10 ped, you should start looking for other opportunities to increase your budget at a faster pace. Starting to hunt for example is NOT one of them, it will most likely (99.99% chance) force you to start sweating again very soon.

That says it pretty good. Don't waste the peds you have gathered and go back to zero if you wish to progress some day. :wise:
 
Always the same old story...Sweating is free so dont sell for les (lets say 10 peds per 1k) you cant lose money but ppl need ME for so many things in the game.

So just sweat and dont sell it if you dont get the right price.

You can only blame yourselves for the low price.
 
The need for ME is limited, but the supply of sweat is unlimited. It is as simple as that, and no, don`t remove syntethic ME from tt, since its the only thing that helps ME users actually get half decent eco and not just waste tons of peds.

Thats whay MA did put in syntethic ME because MA wants ppl to depo more money.
 
Perhaps that is the goal?... If YOU don't like the price that sweat is going for, maybe YOU should deposit more and start paying other participants more in local trade channel. If you don't want to do that why do you expect others to? This is a REAL CASH ECONOMY. The only cash you can and should count on controlling is in your own wallet. Even at 2 pec per 1 k the price is 200% higher then the trade terminal will offer you.

That's a heck of a lot higher markup than a lot of the stuff you can get in other professions easily. Try hunting for a few hours and see how much of your loot ends up having a markup above 200%.

BINGO!... I think MA should make a serious decision about either having an RCE or having a free game. Those 2 things dont match. People dont understand how much this hurts our loot.

I have a brilliant idea for MA... wanna make profit? and keep players happy?.... cancel this free crap.
 
Thats whay MA did put in syntethic ME because MA wants ppl to depo more money.

No, they actually made mindforce usable with that update... Nothing to do with newcomers getting too much ped for "free"...
 
Here's how I figured out that the OP is a socialist:

OP is providing a service that has virtually no demand, and as such has very little payoff. Instead of improving his situation by researching and investing, the OP believes that the best and easiest solution is if everyone else just pays him better for doing the exact same thing. As people aren't retarded, he then begs the system holders to change the system in order to favour his own ineptitude.
 
Here's how I figured out that the OP is a socialist:

OP is providing a service that has virtually no demand, and as such has very little payoff. Instead of improving his situation by researching and investing, the OP believes that the best and easiest solution is if everyone else just pays him better for doing the exact same thing. As people aren't retarded, he then begs the system holders to change the system in order to favour his own ineptitude.

If you always do what you've always done you will always get what you always got... One of the definitions of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

:wise:
 
Here's how I figured out that the OP is a socialist:

OP is providing a service that has virtually no demand, and as such has very little payoff. Instead of improving his situation by researching and investing, the OP believes that the best and easiest solution is if everyone else just pays him better for doing the exact same thing. As people aren't retarded, he then begs the system holders to change the system in order to favour his own ineptitude.

Good call. Very fine call even. However, it is not wise to inject RL politics into a gaming forum. Think mushroom cloud.
 
Lol after all this let'S bash MA/SDS/Loot/Neverdie/Hanne/insertwhoeveryouwant threads i was wondering this morning when the next "why is sweat so cheap" thread appears, because we didn'T have one for some time now. Well here it is. @OP Gz for repeating EU-History :p
 
Just to clear things up....

@Cerberus

Uncalled for.

@Everyone Else

I was saying that because ME is cheap, people are less willing to help out a newbie and buy for a higher price, because the component prices of sweat + force nexus >> mind essence.

Essentially the price paid for sweat is whatever the player is willing to pay for it, but come on, it's going to be 0.5/1k if it keeps dropping.

Now that I have deposited a fair amount ($200+), I can see why people still sweat, because it's a small income from the semi-largish player base.

Sweating isn't only for non depositers, it's also a way to get more peds without depositing again.

I now have alright mining and blp skills and I go mining or hunting when I don't sweat, but if I want to go mining/hunting again, I use sweating to earn a few peds for some more bombs.

Without sweating, I would be forced to deposit whenever I needed something to help me progress. That would be a perpetual money black hole for everyone (and a game which would need to be subscription).

I understand that ME users don't want to have to pay more because of the eco of ME, and I agree with that.

But for those who don't use ME, sweat should really be worth a bit more, because it's time consuming and really the only thing in the whole universe that doesn't cost anything.

So this wasn't a bash at MA or anything, just an opinion.
 
It is not the sweat price that is ridiculous, but the whole concept of sweat.

If you don't like it, get a paper route and I promise it will prove to be a much better use of you time.

Best regards.
 
I really feel like sweating my own mind essence in future...
 
@Cerberus

Uncalled for.

@Everyone Else

I was saying that because ME is cheap, people are less willing to help out a newbie and buy for a higher price, because the component prices of sweat + force nexus >> mind essence.

Essentially the price paid for sweat is whatever the player is willing to pay for it, but come on, it's going to be 0.5/1k if it keeps dropping.

Now that I have deposited a fair amount ($200+), I can see why people still sweat, because it's a small income from the semi-largish player base.

Sweating isn't only for non depositers, it's also a way to get more peds without depositing again.

I now have alright mining and blp skills and I go mining or hunting when I don't sweat, but if I want to go mining/hunting again, I use sweating to earn a few peds for some more bombs.

Without sweating, I would be forced to deposit whenever I needed something to help me progress. That would be a perpetual money black hole for everyone (and a game which would need to be subscription).

I understand that ME users don't want to have to pay more because of the eco of ME, and I agree with that.

But for those who don't use ME, sweat should really be worth a bit more, because it's time consuming and really the only thing in the whole universe that doesn't cost anything.

So this wasn't a bash at MA or anything, just an opinion.

To me you make it sound like

"Make sweat price higher, so that people does not need to deposit as often as they do"

Really... Where would all the cash needed to buy the new, expensive sweat come from then? :D


Just get this .... Sweat is getting cheap, ME isn't needed as much as it was in the old days... Adapt, deposit and play to have fun or just... sell out :dunce:

OR

Start buying sweat at a expensive rate, like the old days... 2 pec per bottle. Do us a favour! I think if you spend enough time (and cash for that matter) you will increase the price of sweat.
If you really think I am serious about the 2 pec per bottle thing just above here... Then I feel sorry for you, and I really hope you just sell out when you realize you can't finance your EU career by sweating or realize that MA won't bother making the price of sweat go up...
 
On the other hand some stones (that can be found on ground while walking) have their prices high and very stable at this moment, all because of vehicle textures. Soon, I hope, taming while be re-introduced and the fruits while worth more also.

Maybe you need to stop sweating for a while and to take some walks to find fruits/stones, this way helping the sweat price to rise again.


Good luck!
 
I really feel like sweating my own mind essence in future...
That's what I do. Works out nicely. Simply swunt small mobs and you'll be there in no time. In the mean time you can hang out around PA or wherever and be a bit sociable with more folks instead of going to a place like Neas where all the non-depositing sweaters sit shouting out negative stuff.

If you think the price is low on sweat now and you think it'll raise eventually, why not start buying it to sell it later?
 
I think MA should make a serious decision about either having an RCE or having a free game. Those 2 things dont match. People dont understand how much this hurts our loot.
We may have different view on what "much" is. Currently, 1.7k PED ME is sold each day on auction. that's 170k sweat, or 1.7 PED tt. If anything, just all the fapping done in a single day done to sweaters (whoever is fapping is irrellevant) is at least two orders of magnitude larger than that.

It'd be more noticable in the loot if MA closed the rig as that drops several USD/day!
(note to the impaired: sarcasm)

You think 1.70 PED would even be noticable?

Get real.
 
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