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How Real/Safe in entropia?

fanboys claiming EU is safer than banks and such are just lol

and the fanboys living in denial of eu not being gambling, ok i couldnt care less what you are convinced in yourself but spreading such lies on forum will allways get a response from me.

Gambling is the wagering of money or something of material value (referred to as "the stakes") on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning additional money and/or material goods.

from wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling

so now, please explain all you non gamblers
 
Majstorex said:
Gambling is the wagering of money or something of material value (referred to as "the stakes") on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning additional money and/or material goods.
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As most of the people gathering loot statistics seem to come to the conclusion that 90% will be the average return value over time (sometimes over a very long time, depending on what level you play at) and it has been established that player actions does indeed have some influence on the outcome (where you mine, what eco your gun has, etc) and you can sell things for markup...

Fact is that you can predict and influence the outcome of your activities, meaning it is not the wagering of money on a completely "uncertain outcome". Neither does every single person play simply "with the primary intent of winning additional money".



Swedish and US government agencies have already looked into and decided that Entropia is indeed not gambling, so legally - no it is not.
 
Spending 10,000 PED on amps and probes and doing a mining run on FOMA/HELL is gambling.
 
Nighthawk said:
As most of the people gathering loot statistics seem to come to the conclusion that 90% will be the average return value over time (sometimes over a very long time, depending on what level you play at) and it has been established that player actions does indeed have some influence on the outcome (where you mine, what eco your gun has, etc) and you can sell things for markup...

Fact is that you can predict and influence the outcome of your activities, meaning it is not the wagering of money on a completely "uncertain outcome". Neither does every single person play simply "with the primary intent of winning additional money".



Swedish and US government agencies have already looked into and decided that Entropia is indeed not gambling, so legally - no it is not.
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i will not even go into the debate of the monopol swedish authoritys have in gambling industry there, and how concesions are being bought/lobbyed.

So youre saying you are able to predict how much loot the trox im about to kill will have?

Ya i bet most play to get a no looter, by that logic you indeed are not gambling but are just throwing your money away

and NH why do you have problems understanding EU is not the only casino that has a payout of 90%? If you have ever been to rl casino you could see slots near the entrances often have return procentage advertised on big screens
 
dr3w said:
1. Many players has withdrawn significant amounts. Just remember, it will take month or two, or maybe even more.
2. About safety - personally, I feel PED much stable than even USD or any other currency.
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What da fuq?


The PED is tied to the USD, how can it be more stable?


:eyecrazy:
 
Majstorex said:
fanboys claiming EU is safer than banks and such are just lol

and the fanboys living in denial of eu not being gambling, ok i couldnt care less what you are convinced in yourself but spreading such lies on forum will allways get a response from me.

Gambling is the wagering of money or something of material value (referred to as "the stakes") on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning additional money and/or material goods.

from wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling

so now, please explain all you non gamblers
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PCF is full of explanations. You don't need those explanations. What you exactly need - it's self-excuse (it's all random, it's all gambling!), since it better and simpler for you, than to apply strength, mind and energy to achieve results in EU.

Funny, but you need those results, in other case - you wouldn't be here.
 
goodgrief999 said:
Spending 10,000 PED on amps and probes and doing a mining run on FOMA/HELL is gambling.
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*cough* Actually, it's stupidity/inability for simple math.
 
This is what I read every year.

2006: EU is deing , I don't trust them with my money.
2007: Ditto again..The game is dead, I don't trust them with my money
2008: The games dieing this year for sure, not spending any of my money
2009: Still in recession, games dieing for sure this year I don't trust MA with my money
2010: I'm still here, but the game is dieing, don't pay them any money
2011: Deeds for sale, means the game is dieing, dont give them any money
2012: Its gambling, they are going bust don't give them any money.


2025; damn Rick you done really well on those Caly land deads you bought, yeah I trust MA with my money.

Bored with this.

Rick
 
Majstorex said:
fanboys claiming EU is safer than banks and such are just lol

and the fanboys living in denial of eu not being gambling, ok i couldnt care less what you are convinced in yourself but spreading such lies on forum will allways get a response from me.

Gambling is the wagering of money or something of material value (referred to as "the stakes") on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning additional money and/or material goods.

from wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling

so now, please explain all you non gamblers
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If i had invested 200k dollars in a Dutch bank called the dsb bank and another 200k in a bank called icesave 5 years ago , then half of that money would be gone by now. (Both banks collapsed, Dutch government would have returned 100k per bank as a garantee). Had I invested 400k in landarea's then I would now have doubled that money. Fanboy or not.. Eu has been here for over 10 years and I have yet to see the first payout that wasn't committed. Many banks have tumbled, fallen over, investments vaporized. In Eu some investments have also vaporized, but not to the extent the real life banks have squandered our hard earned cash.
Putting your money on a bankaccount has turned out to be more gambling than putting it inside a virtual game.
The bank of Scotland is also giving out interest rates that are higher than normal banks at this very moment. Dutch people won't fall for that trick anymore.. the icesave and dsb fiasco is too fresh in our minds..
And once again news hits that this very bank is in trouble and may fall over soon.
 
dr3w said:
PCF is full of explanations. You don't need those explanations. What you exactly need - it's self-excuse (it's all random, it's all gambling!), since it better and simpler for you, than to apply strength, mind and energy to achieve results in EU.

Funny, but you need those results, in other case - you wouldn't be here.
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lets see the meaning of gambling again;

Gambling is the wagering of money or something of material value (referred to as "the stakes") on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning additional money and/or material goods.

now please try to anwser, why are you trying to convince me and others that certain activitys in eu are not gambling?
 
Majstorex said:
now please try to anwser, why are you trying to convince me and others that certain activitys in eu are not gambling?
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You know... you're right. There is no point in trying, you are way too stuck in your own little world to see that things maybe are not as you believe they are... If there is no chance of convincing, even with the presentation of undeniable facts, then... meh :rolleyes:
 
Majstorex said:
fanboys claiming EU is safer than banks and such are just lol

and the fanboys living in denial of eu not being gambling, ok i couldnt care less what you are convinced in yourself but spreading such lies on forum will allways get a response from me.

Gambling is the wagering of money or something of material value (referred to as "the stakes") on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning additional money and/or material goods.

from wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling

so now, please explain all you non gamblers
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I bolded for you the part which makes it not gambling. Maybe you will find out yourself one day. Good Luck with that
 
Majstorex said:
lets see the meaning of gambling again;

Gambling is the wagering of money or something of material value (referred to as "the stakes") on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning additional money and/or material goods.

now please try to anwser, why are you trying to convince me and others that certain activitys in eu are not gambling?
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Trying to convince? No. I am saying - it is not gambling.

Let's see your favorite part of meaning: "uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning additional money and/or material goods."

Will tell you in advance: I will not reveal any other details, except:

1. I did predict my ATH, and shifted on lvl8 amps from lvl7 before 3 days of ATH.

First amp crafted, shift started: Level 8 Finder Amplifier (L) 220 PED Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:38
Azzurdite Stone 67005 PED Tuesday, February 07, 2012 22:01

2. By shifting on AMP higher I didn't planned to AMPLIFY my hit.
3. ATH itself IS NOT MY PROFIT or WIN, nor it's not SOMEONES money. It is my result of work.

Most funny part:

4. I can predict my next big hit/ATH.

Looks like real gambling? Oh yes.
 
Nighthawk said:
You know... you're right. There is no point in trying, you are way too stuck in your own little world to see that things maybe are not as you believe they are... If there is no chance of convincing, even with the presentation of undeniable facts, then... meh :rolleyes:
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ok lets state facts

ill start with the simplest of them all:

when you go and drop a bomb, you do not know what the outcome of that specific event will be.

that is called gambling in most parts of the world but you have issues accepting that for some reasons, it might be that you are to stuck in your fanboyin world. I have no problem with controling my gambling, i come here when i choose to gamble some of my fun money, but the fact that the ma, returns...etc are not regulary monitored by any gambling commision repels me from spending more. And ill say this again, this is the best interactive casino that there is, no denying that.

now what facts you wanted to discuss?
 
Dr3w, how about predicting your next ATH on forums?:)

That way you'll be more credible

I also don't think that EU is gambling, you have certain return if you do the right stuff, but predicting those return with small margin is just plain guess, yes, they can be predicted with quite large margin

So, make a thread with your nest ATH ( with small margin, like 1-2 weeks, and if true, I will consider you GOD) :)
 
Ah, back on the gambling topic. In my opinion what I am doing in EU is gambling, but not playing a lottery. I can influence my odds by how I play, by keeping records, and by chasing markup. But as I cannot predict whether my next action will win or lose me money, yes there is a gambling element to it. Even if it is actually determined whether or not my next action will win or lose me money, my lack of knowledge of that means I'm still gambling.

So dr3w your claim is that everything is determined?

So if I go kill a Hogglo now, my loot is known already? Does killing an Argo first affect my Hogglo loot? Does killing my Hogglo an hour later affect it? Does killing a different Hogglo affect it? If the answer to any of those is Yes, even if the system is determined, given that I don't know how it is determined my random actions turn it into gambling no?

Do week-old noobs ever get ATH?

dr3w said:
1. I did predict my ATH, and shifted on lvl8 amps from lvl7 before 3 days of ATH.
2. By shifting on AMP higher I didn't planned to AMPLIFY my hit.
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Why the amp shift then? Also, why did you mine somewhere with low markup ores present?

dr3w said:
4. I can predict my next big hit/ATH.
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Well, go on then.
 
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dr3w said:
Trying to convince? No. I am saying - it is not gambling.

Let's see your favorite part of meaning: "uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning additional money and/or material goods."

Will tell you in advance: I will not reveal any other details, except:

1. I did predict my ATH, and shifted on lvl8 amps from lvl7 before 3 days of ATH.

First amp crafted, shift started: Level 8 Finder Amplifier (L) 220 PED Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:38
Azzurdite Stone 67005 PED Tuesday, February 07, 2012 22:01

2. By shifting on AMP higher I didn't planned to AMPLIFY my hit.
3. ATH itself IS NOT MY PROFIT or WIN, nor it's not SOMEONES money. It is my result of work.

Most funny part:

4. I can predict my next big hit/ATH.

Looks like real gambling? Oh yes.
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now than, why are you editing sentances?

Intentionaly leaving out word "EVENT" for what reason?
 
bettlejus said:
Dr3w, how about predicting your next ATH on forums?:)

That way you'll be more credible

I also don't think that EU is gambling, you have certain return if you do the right stuff, but predicting those return with small margin is just plain guess, yes, they can be predicted with quite large margin

So, make a thread with your nest ATH ( with small margin, like 1-2 weeks, and if true, I will consider you GOD) :)
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1. I never brag on PCF with my hits - even my ATH I considering as my failure (since of azzurdite), not success, and I did post in ATH section just to help Ido promoting his great LBML tool.
2. I don't need to be more or less credible, but anyway - if I will do that - what next? Photo of my naked ass with personal ID and proof that I am not MA rep? By the way, there is people, who can prove that I expected that hit. If they want - they will do that.
3. Especially I don't want to be considered as god, what I really want is to say: those hits can do everyone, anyone. And there is no luck. And those hits, actually, doesn't matter.
4. Also I need to be less aggressive, more polite, to the people. But damn, I barely can stand against dumbness, empty words and such. Good part - I can improve myself in that.
 
Majstorex said:
so you are saying you can predict the amount of loot my next kill will have?
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Well yes you are right, doing a single looting event is gambling. Playing the whole game on the other hand is not. While the single event has indeed an uncertain outcome - playing EU has not.

I like to ask another thing. Is going over a street gambling ? Certainly most say it is not. OK let's put a stake into it. You give me 1 Euro to go over the street, and when you manage to go over that street ( choose any you want ) you will get 10 Euro from me, if you don't manage to cross that street you will get hurt or even killed. Is that gambling ? Well again here most would say certainly not, because most people manage to cross that street without getting hurt.

But it is not my fault when people exist who decide to put on a blindfold and earplugs and cross the street with the most traffic in their towns and thus making something a gamble which is per se none.

Anyway i can agree that the single looting events are indeed kinda gambling, BUT the whole game is not. Because you can take influence in different ways, so the overall outcome of your decisions is not gambling anymore.

What can you influence: The area you mine, the bp you click, the mob you hunt, the setup you use, how you sell your stuff (...) All that reduces the uncertainty of your outcome to absolutly the degree you want.
 
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Majstorex said:
now than, why are you editing sentances?

Intentionaly leaving out word "EVENT" for what reason?
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I just shortened it. If you fail to understand that - sorry.
 
Majstorex said:
it might be that you are to stuck in your fanboyin world.
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Fanboy because I have a different opinion than you?

Seriously, that you keep claiming that is just utterly pathetic, as you obviously do not even know the meaning of that word.


Please stop saying it or I will report you for making false claims about me every single time you post it.
 
Jimmy B said:
Ah, back on the gambling topic. In my opinion what I am doing in EU is gambling, but not playing a lottery. I can influence my odds by how I play, by keeping records, and by chasing markup. But as I cannot predict whether my next action will win or lose me money, yes there is a gambling element to it. Even if it is actually determined whether or not my next action will win or lose me money, my lack of knowledge of that means I'm still gambling.

So dr3w your claim is that everything is determined?

So if I go kill a Hogglo now, my loot is known already? Does killing an Argo first affect my Hogglo loot? Does killing my Hogglo an hour later affect it? Does killing a different Hogglo affect it? If the answer to any of those is Yes, even if the system is determined, given that I don't know how it is determined my random actions turn it into gambling no?
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No comments on hunting, I am not hunter.

Jimmy B said:
Do week-old noobs ever get ATH?
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Yes, it's doesn't matter, how long you play. Yes, it can be considered as luck, in case if you take it all, withdraw and will not return anymore.

Jimmy B said:
Why the amp shift then? Also, why did you mine somewhere with low markup ores present?
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1. To not get "split" hits, but get it all in one. Lvl7 planetary can yeld max of kinda 56k, I knew that I will hit more.
2. I didn't, well, actually, there was small chance for me to hit azz, but my fatal error was completely in other thing.

Jimmy B said:
Well, go on then.
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No way, I will not.
 
Jennson said:
What can you influence: The area you mine, the bp you click, the mob you hunt, the setup you use, how you sell your stuff (...) All that reduces the uncertainty of your outcome to absolutley the degree you want.
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OMG, you get to pick the penny slots (puny), the nickel slots (young), the quarter slots (mature), or even go for the dollar slots (old alpha)! Maybe even go for the gold and try the twenty dollar slots (hunt nothing but eomon or aurli of the highest maturity and nothing else)

You can even choose to play other games than the slots and try your hand at the tables (auction, trading, and other games of chance that are not just solely you vs the house, but involve other participants in the games as well). Feeling lucky, why not try mining (a different type of slot) instead of hunting, or even go for crafting? Not feeling lucky? Want a slower paced gambling? Maybe you should try a little Bingo (shop ownership, beauty profession, taming, etc.)...

Yipee! :dunce:
 
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mastermesh said:
OMG, you get to pick the penny slots (puny), the nickel slots (young), the quarter slots (mature), or even go for the dollar slots (old alpha)! You can even choose to play other games than the slots and try your hand at the tables (auction, trading, and other games of chance that are not just solely you vs the house, but involve other participants in the games as well).

Yipee! :dunce:
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Ah when that is your only association about the choices, then i finally understood why you are not playing - You haven't understood how the professions work. My bad for understanding you THAT wrongly - apologies.
 
mastermesh said:
OMG, you get to pick the penny slots, the nickel slots, the quarter slots, or even go for the dollar slots! Yipee! :dunce:
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Yes. By the way, IRL there is people, dunno how that term is in English, I call them "bonusers". Those, who abusing slot-machines by surveying income and outcome of them.

And they profit.

That comment have NOTHING common to EU, it just shows - everything can be done.
 
Majstorex said:
yes indeed i fail, couse that word gives the whole meaning to that sentance, not sure why you playing dumb with this
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So, now you're arguing just for the sake of it? You're so WANT to be right?

Okay, you're right.

Let's continue this shit: "on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning additional money and/or material goods."

Is it OKAY in that interpretation?
 
dr3w said:
No comments on hunting, I am not hunter.
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Talk about avoiding the question... Jimmy posed a very valid question and good comments... no matter what profession you have.
 
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