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Seriously, why do you not consider hunting with say a Katsuichi blade if what you are doing does not work and you have admited that yourself? If your present weapon / dps does not work for some reason right now, why not change?

That's what I have to ask myself.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Once MA has set you in "deposit more mode" there is nothing you can do. You lose big time, no matter what you do. There is no magic "change" that will safe your ass, unless you can resort to professions where you are still very unskilled in.


so this isnt a sales thread at all, its a combination of whine and showing off teh skillz.

I think he is just trying to trigger a payout this way... or at least trying to end the losing streak. ;)
 
so this isnt a sales thread at all, its a combination of whine and showing off teh skillz.


offer me 120k... and make sure it is a legit offer...

dare you...

see if this is a real sale thread or not...

already looked up a flight from england
would enjoy a face to face meeting with anyone who buys...
will pay for most of if not all your travel costs :)

London Gatwick (LGW) airport?

btw my skills are pathetic...
look at evade and firstaid

2.9k evade
2.9k FA
2.5k diag.

real uber... and showing off lol
 
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Once MA has set you in "deposit more mode" there is nothing you can do. You lose big time, no matter what you do. There is no magic "change" that will safe your ass, unless you can resort to professions where you are still very unskilled in.

Even if this is true, picking your dps also affects your pec/sec, and as a result, how much you lose per day / week / month.
 
Even if this is true, picking your dps also affects your pec/sec, and as a result, how much you lose per day / week / month.

You still lose, just more slowly - which, in turn, means that your losing streak becomes even longer.
 
Even if this is true, picking your dps also affects your pec/sec, and as a result, how much you lose per day / week / month.
It's the fallacy of the gambler. Because you are losing, you don't want to bet less, because then if you get your payback, it won't cover the losses from when you were betting more.

But then if you don't get your payback, you are screwed over even worse.
 
It's the fallacy of the gambler. Because you are losing, you don't want to bet less, because then if you get your payback, it won't cover the losses from when you were betting more.

But then if you don't get your payback, you are screwed over even worse.

and that is one of the points...
besides losing huge amounts of peds...


what is the sense of skilling up?
gearing up with eco etc...?

when someone with low skills and a L low dps weapon can do better and most of the times get the big hof... (apis and beast combo)

why bother moving up in game?

there is something flawed in game atm...
and that is why i say it is too late for me...
but maybe one day things will change for you all...
and i wish you best of luck with that...
 
youre right. But how many new players will come when they realise that its not possible to do good results? EU has bad reputation as it is, I doubt the quitting players will talk highly about EU. Most people dont mind paying for playing, but when it comes to loosing several thousands of peds every month something is wrong. Off course it affects HOW u play as well. Ive been playing for almost 6 years and have never been able to "avoid" a deposit in the end of the month. It doesnt really do me much damage since i decide how much to deposit, but when its always loose no mattter if u eco hunt or spend a little more u start to be dissapointed.

You only get disappointed when you expect to much to begin with. As you said yourself very wisely, you decide what you deposit. Nobody is forced to "waste" thousands of peds. Just wondering where those high expectation came from. Maybe it's because the ATH's got bigger and bigger. Therefore promising more and more for the winner, with the end result that all loot went down to finance those few ATH's.

But in the end, it's just a big casino. So if you loose to much on the dollar machines, go to the penny machines. Same fun, only difference is the size of the jackpot (which you won't win anyway), so what does it matter?.

Most of the players just have to high expectations. As you said, accept the fact that you will loose in the game. And the amount you loose just depends on your own playing style.

Also your point about bad talk of quiting players, well, you've been around long enough to know that that is timeless. People are whining now, they whined years ago, and my educated guess is that they'll whine in the years to come. As long as we don't hit that ATH we will keep whining (me included ;) )

This can never be prevented as there will always be unhappy people. You simply can't please everybody in this world.
 
It's the fallacy of the gambler. Because you are losing, you don't want to bet less, because then if you get your payback, it won't cover the losses from when you were betting more.

But then if you don't get your payback, you are screwed over even worse.

Fallacy of the gambler?

Hardly:

  1. EU is not gambling (at least not at TT level)
  2. Even in gambling, big losses are evened out sooner or later, simply due to the law of large numbers
  3. As long as you can even out the fee (5-10%) MA charges, you are not accumulating more losses, just "filling your personal loot pool"

Following your rationale, the only conclusion would be what has been quoted from the movie WarGames (even saw it in someones sig here) countless times:

The only winning move is not to play

Which obviously applies to gambling



For the youngsters around here: WarGames
 
offer me 120k... and make sure it is a legit offer...

dare you...

see if this is a real sale thread or not...

so why did *you* put the condition in there then? i didnt put it they, you wrote it.

personally i dont want a melee weapon, some uber who use one loads keeps tell everyone how poor it is in use these days, so i'll stay clear. ;)
 
Fallacy of the gambler?

Hardly:

  1. EU is not gambling (at least not at TT level)
  2. Even in gambling, big losses are evened out sooner or later, simply due to the law of large numbers



    Which obviously applies to gambling



    For the youngsters around here: WarGames



  1. it is an interesting theory and the rational behind why EU was not gambling was
    with skills...
    with gear...
    your loot improves...this was old EU...
    this is how they got around legal issues if i am not mistaken... with various contries not allowing gambling...

    that is my point... this isnt true today...
    skills... mean little or nothing...
    gear... go buy some L crap with low DPS


    thanks for the bumps all but back to my sale thread :)

    still looking for offers!
 
  1. EU is not gambling (at least not at TT level)
  2. Even in gambling, big losses are evened out sooner or later, simply due to the law of large numbers
  3. As long as you can even out the fee (5-10%) MA charges, you are not accumulating more losses, just "filling your personal loot pool"
It doesn't have to be gambling, but you've been around long enough to know that it can be gambling if you let it. And that's the problem - the human brain is not perfect, and sometimes people fall into a rut where they can't control their own actions. One deposit leads to another, and before you know it, you've deposited $1000 for the month. You can say it's their fault or whatever you want, but I don't think anyone actually wants to be in a position where they are losing hundreds or even thousands of dollars in just a few weeks.

Even if losses are evened out, they will still be losses, assuming not much markup, which will be the case of the Rex hunter. And playing at that level, even 10% loss is kind of a lot if one is playing many hours per day.

Serious question - what do you mean by it's not gambling at the TT level? As far as I know, gambling involves getting less than 100% back?
 
so why did *you* put the condition in there then? i didnt put it they, you wrote it.

personally i dont want a melee weapon, some uber who use one loads keeps tell everyone how poor it is in use these days, so i'll stay clear. ;)

either way... this is a legit sale thread...
if you dont think so ;) offer me the buy out and see what happens

just be ready to pay
 
what is the sense of skilling up?

2 choices - skilling up and live as dedicated amd addicted cash cow or oposite - join to infinite horde of out of game ped suckers as an investor, estate owner, MS owner, CLD owner, Planet partner, trader, reseler, pirate and so on.
Second choice do not need any ingame skill just patience and wait that MA bring new cash cows to you. Ofc here you risk to remain in an empty planet without depositing, decaying and paying players but still planet full of investors willing to suck out as much as possible lol
 
Regarding your last point, even though losses are evened out, they will still be losses, assuming not much markup, which will be the case of the Rex hunter. And playing at that level, even 10% loss is kind of a lot if one is playing many hours per day.

?

yes a person can cycle up to 70k+ peds a week...
a 10% loss is 700$ a week... (10% being what is the perceived amount MA takes...)


what is most troubling is that...
With tons of globals...
Lots of ESIs many 70-200 peds...
Lots of hofs...
the ped card still gets drained...

atleast when you hunt at high levels...

you reach a point... when... "why bother" comes to mind
 
yes a person can cycle up to 70k+ peds a week...
a 10% loss is 700$ a week... (10% being what is the perceived amount MA takes...)


what is most troubling is that...
With tons of globals...
Lots of ESIs many 70-200 peds...
Lots of hofs...
the ped card still gets drained...

atleast when you hunt at high levels...

you reach a point... when... "why bother" comes to mind

Joker.. I'm sorry to say this but I've seen the way you hunt. I am not at all surprized that you are loosing a lot too.

1) You hunt on a lot of taxed land areas
2) You hunt mobs that drop virtually NO markup items for sale
3) You always have 2+ mobs on you at all times
4) You use the rainbow sword with no tagging mechanisum..

You really need to change your hunting style if you want to succeed. Paying for decay and a bunch of taxes isn't that great for your PED card.

~Danimal
 
it is an interesting theory and the rational behind why EU was not gambling was
with skills...
with gear...
your loot improves...this was old EU...
this is how they got around legal issues if i am not mistaken... with various contries not allowing gambling...

that is my point... this isnt true today...
skills... mean little or nothing...
gear... go buy some L crap with low DPS

I think it still works that way, just MA running out of cash, trying to force older players (who will very likely not leave that quickly) to deposit more.

Deposits are treated as income, hence taxed, that's why MA was so keen on getting a bank license (where deposits are just transfers to your account and won't be taxed)

The problem is, they are going too far with their "force deposits" method - this is a very shortsighted method and will, if overused, just kill the game.


It doesn't have to be gambling, but you've been around long enough to know that it can be gambling if you let it. And that's the problem - the human brain is not perfect, and sometimes people fall into a rut where they can't control their own actions. One deposit leads to another, and before you know it, you've deposited $1000 for the month. You can say it's their fault or whatever you want, but I don't think anyone actually wants to be in a position where they are losing hundreds or even thousands of dollars in just a few weeks.

Regarding your last point, even though losses are evened out, they will still be losses, assuming not much markup, which will be the case of the Rex hunter. And playing at that level, even 10% loss is kind of a lot if one is playing many hours per day.

You have missed point #3, obviously.

The only way to lose more than the fee (which is somewhere around 5-10%) is to waste a shitload of PEDs on markup. This applies to damage enhancers, but not to an UL melee weapon.

However, as long as you cover these 10% (not on loot, but on costs), you don't lose anything at all - in theory, as long as the 90% TT payout works.
And that's the main point here - the 90% TT payout rule is inoperative, reasons (imho) see above.




And, this thread beats all records in terms of "being taken off-topic".
Joker, i think you should just fork a discussion thread, or you will never get rid of the "free bumps" - your announcement has stirred up too many thoughts.

Maybe name it "Joker is selling all - debate thread" - if someone else does it, it will just be overlooked im afraid.
 
Joker.. I'm sorry to say this but I've seen the way you hunt. I am not at all surprized that you are loosing a lot too.

1) You hunt on a lot of taxed land areas
2) You hunt mobs that drop virtually NO markup items for sale
3) You always have 2+ mobs on you at all times
4) You use the rainbow sword with no tagging mechanisum..

You really need to change your hunting style if you want to succeed. Paying for decay and a bunch of taxes isn't that great for your PED card.

~Danimal

decay on grem on rex is a whole 8-19 ped an hour or 2...(really breaking the bank i know)
taxed areas such as Rex i get paid weekly... and sometimes more then the taxes i put in...
I have been using these hunting methods before you joined the game ;)
my hunting methods worked just fine until recently :(
and before you say... there you go... change and adapt... believe me i have tried all different types since it stopped working...

you think i have been in game this many years without adapting?
there is no adapting to 20-50% returns...
besides adapting a direct deposit to MA...


just giving you a hard time...
anyways thanks for the advice...

for me... there is no hope...
hope was lost when the #1 hunter in game showed his losses were just as great as mine....
so what hope does that leave you?

my hopes for all of you is MA sees the error in the current system and fixes whatever went wrong... somewhere down the line...

Honestly best of luck to all

back on topic
back to selling ! :)
 
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decay on grem on rex is a whole 8-19 ped an hour or 2...(really breaking the bank i know)
taxed areas such as Rex i get paid weekly... and sometimes more then the taxes i put in...
I have been using these hunting methods before you joined the game ;)
my hunting methods worked just fine until recently :(


just giving you a hard time...
anyways thanks for the advice...

back to selling ! :)

Your methods do not seem to work though Joker... I always see you on the forums complaining that it's your time for an ATH or HoF... I know you've gotten several nice HoF's and ATH's in the past already ;)

~Danimal
 
How can u call this gambling when there is no way of winning? I call it ripoff :dunce:
 
It's the fallacy of the gambler. Because you are losing, you don't want to bet less, because then if you get your payback, it won't cover the losses from when you were betting more.

But then if you don't get your payback, you are screwed over even worse.

Well, this is the point where all the "you will get 90% back" people should chime in and say that this is not so, because you will get back the previous losses and any losses since, or at lest the parts missing from 90%.

Your premise also means that the loot cycle is primarily peds spent based.
 
more true words were never spoken...


yestarday was bad...
today was terrible...
tomorrow will be worse :(

welcome to entropia...


anyways just made my final depo ever... (unless melee amps come)

best of luck to all...

bump still looking for a buyer
 
I will give you todays profit 1000 ped if you leave forum for ever.not a single swing with RB,no enhancers,Best profit for you for a long time..

Im really irritated about your and others whine post here.MA does not promise a shit about to get rich or how to survive in EU.You is the only one who decide when you dont wanna loose more.

And yes i belive that its you who do something wrong here,other plp to,they have explained alot of thing you can change.

And you are not alone of loose your ass off,have loose a pretty big amount myself,but 100% my fault.bought shadow/sup set and doa rj and hunted to big mobs for my skills at that time,Would suit me better now than for 2 years ago.No need to blame MA for my stupid choice.

And guess YOU have to change because MA is not gonna change for you.

Imo EU is getting better and better as game but much have change,but everything change and we need to follow it..

But today,saturday its your profit day.leave forum and get 1000 ped.

Doubt you gonna leave forum or EU..we will be stucked with your BS for long time :bomb:

But on other side is not my pedcard and you are welcome to fill loot pool for us:yay::yay:

//WL
 
If in 2 months... when I return from a break... and things are still shit...
I will sell all to the highest bidder...

Considering the massive amount of rule 3.8 - Quitting/Leaving & rule 5.5 - Trading Thread Abuse rule breaking here, and the fact that nothing is truly for sale for a few months....

Come back and make a real sales thread when you're ready.


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