Titans of Space Starfleet - KOS list

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In the past i have worked with temporary actions against single persons if they became an annoyance in their pirating ventures involving attacks on the ToS Normandie - however recent actions of people to utilize multiaccounts to hide their true identity made me decide that it was time for a different/extended method of discouraging piracy by utilizing large or named spacecraft.

Titans of Space Starfleet opening up our Kill on Sight list with the first entry:

- Dreadnought (shipclass mothership)

- Varyag (shipclass mothership)

- Justifier (shipclass quad wing interceptor)

Ships listed above have to expect being followed or warped upon and being destroyed at any point of time.

Please be aware that this KOS status is bound to the spacecraft itself to avoid it being passed on to another account operated by the same person or to a friend of that person.
The current ships listed will remain on the KOS list until their owners stand up to refund any expenses of ToS Starfleet caused by the respective ships.
The intention of this KOS status is to devalue the above mentioned ships due to any seriously interested investor having to consider the indirect 'costs' associated with these ships - therefor causing potential financial consequences for acts of piracy.
 
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When the ship is sold, perhaps you should remove the KOS status...give the new owner a chance to prove themselves. It would be a shame to scare off a potentially respectable owner because of some "indirect costs" they are not responsible for. If the Dreadnaught came up for sale because of the KOS status (a good thing) it would have to sell cheap because of the stigma attached to it. A new owner could pick it up cheap and possibly turn it profitable sooner than any other ship. This idea would attract many potential investors...some of them might even be honest hard-working Entropians.

Keep the KOS status list going, but please give new owners a chance to prove themselves. Maybe meet the avatars of the new owners, and scan them. Look for skills to be high enough to prove it is not just another account of the same person.
 
When the ship is sold, perhaps you should remove the KOS status...give the new owner a chance to prove themselves. It would be a shame to scare off a potentially respectable owner because of some "indirect costs" they are not responsible for. If the Dreadnaught came up for sale because of the KOS status (a good thing) it would have to sell cheap because of the stigma attached to it. A new owner could pick it up cheap and possibly turn it profitable sooner than any other ship. This idea would attract many potential investors...some of them might even be honest hard-working Entropians.

Keep the KOS status list going, but please give new owners a chance to prove themselves. Maybe meet the avatars of the new owners, and scan them. Look for skills to be high enough to prove it is not just another account of the same person.

The ship named in the OP was purchased by someone who has scammed Ks and Ks of peds from an unknown number of avatars throughout the history of the game using an unknown number of alt avatars to build the trust of their victims before actually scamming them.

(translation: this ship was purchased with stolen money)

Anyone who would purchase this ship would in fact be giving ped to a known scammer and not only helping them financially, but also giving their approval of those actions.

It is the responsibility of mature players to do what they can to warn other players of this sort of activity and help prevent them falling victims themselves from lack of knowledge of these types of events.
 
Wow really???????

In the past i have worked with temporary actions against single persons if they became an annoyance in their pirating ventures involving attacks on the ToS Normandie - however recent actions of people to utilize multiaccounts to hide their true identity made me decide that it was time for a different/extended method of discouraging piracy by utilizing large or named spacecraft.

Titans of Space Starfleet opening up our Kill on Sight list with the first entry:

- Dreadnought (shipclass mothership)



Ships listed above have to expect being followed or warped upon and being destroyed at any point of time.

Please be aware that this KOS status is bound to the spacecraft itself to avoid it being passed on to another account operated by the same person or to a friend of that person.
The current ships listed will remain on the KOS list until their owners stand up to refund any expenses of ToS Starfleet caused by the respective ships.
The intention of this KOS status is to devalue the above mentioned ships due to any seriously interested investor having to consider the indirect 'costs' associated with these ships - therefor causing potential financial consequences for acts of piracy.

I think this is just you trying to be a bully of space. What or who made you JUDGE DREAD of space? If you have a kos list good for you? But when you say “The current ships listed will remain on the KOS list until their owners stand up to refund any expenses of ToS Starfleet caused by the respective ships.” Just rubs me like sandpaper and turpentine (ie REALLY BAD). Not to mention I find that statement quiet funny, see in RL they call that extortion. And if my memory sets me right it is also a violation of the TOU section 8c (c. You cannot interfere with any other Participants ability to use and enjoy the Entropia Universe). So if the ship was to to be bought by someone you would infact be breaking that TOU rule?

But to say I’m making a kos list and if you buy that ship then you have to pay me what I voluntary spent to shoot it down all this time, this actually shows how petty/selfish you are being. If you want to make a kos list then make one, just remember you have to put your big boy pants on and take responsibility for your own actions. Remember you made the list and no one is forcing you to shot anyone down.

Most all know who owns the ship and what alts they have. But for you to say you I will shoot you down until you pay me a ransom is just well………A form of extortion and piracy itself. It’s like the pot calling the kettle black. Also if they wanted to play your game don’t you think they could give it to an alt ava and pay your extortion fee?
A legitimate person would just report you for interfering with their game play or trying to extort ped from them. I would have thought you of all people would have known this. But it seems you want to flex your preverbal space muscle just to show how big of a guy you are? Just remember bullies tend to fall flat on their face in the long run. Just saying this as little food for thought.

If the ship is sold and you continue to shoot it down what makes you any different than the pirates you hate so much? Is your excuse that you are openly willing to admit that you are trying to extort money from the new owner? Or is it that you think all of space belongs to you? I think it is funny that you a single ship would wage ware on a pirate mother ship that is well……connected to a pirate soc and can launch several quads out and bring its guns to bare on you.

And I know, I know you have a gizzzzzzzzzzzzzzillion SI points but with 3 guns to bare on you and quads to boot how long do you really think you could stand up to the attack? I would not let my crocodile mouth override my parakeet butt if I were you. Because you might get what you want…….. a war. So you go right along my little drooling buddy and put your safety hat on and mount your tricycle because you are on a roll now.
 
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And if my memory sets me right it is also a violation of the TOU section 8c (c. You cannot interfere with any other Participants ability to use and enjoy the Entropia Universe).

Read that again taking into consideration the following:

Space is pvp
In pvp players engage others in battles
He is only promissing to do the previous

The fact that he gives a warning first is just a bonus.
 
Read that again taking into consideration the following:

Space is pvp
In pvp players engage others in battles
He is only promissing to do the previous

The fact that he gives a warning first is just a bonus.
This would be the case but when you make the stament,"The current ships listed will remain on the KOS list until their owners stand up to refund any expenses of ToS Starfleet caused by the respective ships" say the new owners have to pay you to get taken off a list is well....... shady and like i said a form of extortion
 
I'm fairly sure that if and when Dreadnought changes hands (as it surely will if the price drops far enough, regardless of its stigma, if the current owner is willing) common sense will be applied. If, for instance, it falls into the hands of a well-known and trusted avatar, or someone commonly known in space circles as a non-pirate, then the status on the KoS list would probably be suspended and claims against it not made.

I have to say Anthony, I find it funny that you accuse John Black Knight of being a space bully, who is "flexing his space muscle" when on two occasions in the last week alone I have personally witnessed the Dreadnought attacking and harrasing legitimate and known space travel vessels - one occasion the vessel had paying passengers, the other involved a ship minding its own business on a hunt when it was ambushed.

Don't think that this a random addition to the list - it is far from being that. Dreadnought has had this coming to it for a while now.
 
JBK rules buying dreadnought tt+20ped...:)
 
Space Wars[SUP]TM[/SUP] begins :)

But probably it won't have any effect since Dreadnought is not for sale.

Just for info, anyone being looted on Normandie? :scratch:

The ship named in the OP was purchased by someone who has scammed Ks and Ks of peds from an unknown number of avatars throughout the history of the game using an unknown number of alt avatars to build the trust of their victims before actually scamming them.

(translation: this ship was purchased with stolen money)

Anyone who would purchase this ship would in fact be giving ped to a known scammer and not only helping them financially, but also giving their approval of those actions.

It is the responsibility of mature players to do what they can to warn other players of this sort of activity and help prevent them falling victims themselves from lack of knowledge of these types of events.

About this I sold the ship to Goldy and I am sure about:
1. he deposited the most of the money
2. He is still depositing more than lot of players I know

You should send a support case with your evidences to MA and stop disreputing Goldy in public in the meanwhile. If he's a scammer and you can prove it he'll be banned, in the meanwhile -rep for the behavior.
 
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To be fair ToS and other Mothership services operate in a fairly friendly, yet cooperative manner in space. Even to the point of referring clients to other services if they are unable to do the trip.
Any pirate ships have the right to be active in space as it is PvP, but the ToS and other MS also can list the pirates and KOS.
It's kinda hard at the moment, but as soon as Armament II, III, IV devices become available and we can use all gunner seats, things will get very interesting.
 

Respected members of this community (who are in YOUR society) have the proof that ernestas is a scammer.

The proof was posted on this forum including pictures he used in scams years ago as well as his recent facebook pictures. (which matched) You know this, so I am not sure why you are asking for some sort of 'proof'????

You saw the proof before the mods removed it, but you also know that the mods banned him as well as most of his accounts here on pcf.

Even if we ignore all his past scams, we don't need them for proof. The fact is he was offering a warp service while he(his alt, his brother, his cousin, his next door neighbor or maybe his imaginary friend?) was a member of nebula virus attacking and looting people in space.

That in itself is enough to qualify as a scam, but there is everything else added on top of it.

Do you want to pretend that 'borrowing' from people and never returning it is morally or socially acceptable?
Then there is the pornographic links he posted in my services website, do you think this is acceptable, morally or socially?

I really don't understand why you wanted to -rep me for wanting to warn other people about these activities so they could protect themselves.

It does not reflect well on you, nor does it reflect well on your society who's leadership knows beyond the shadow of a doubt that this person is the scammer who has ripped off so many people and removed them from your society because of this as well as their current deceptions with your/his mothership.

It would be nice if either you post that these are your (misguided) views and in no way represent your society, or if someone from ckshadows could do it for you.

No one holds it against you that you received stolen money for your ship, you didn't (at least i hope you didn't) know where it had come from when you sold it.

BUT now you DO know, and it is YOUR responsibility as a RESPONSIBLE adult to warn others, so that they don't fall into the same traps that so many have before us.

By requesting proof (which is not allowed on this forum) you only make yourself look bad, you make your society look bad, and you bring more attention to (your friend?) the scammer turned pirate ernestas.
 
And I know, I know you have a gizzzzzzzzzzzzzzillion SI points but with 3 guns to bare on you and quads to boot how long do you really think you could stand up to the attack? I would not let my crocodile mouth override my parakeet butt if I were you. Because you might get what you want…….. a war. So you go right along my little drooling buddy and put your safety hat on and mount your tricycle because you are on a roll now.

Dont bark at me just because i showed up in the past how your 'neutral' space service review was just a load of crap - someone working for one service wanting to make neutral reviews is just not gonna work.
And from your statement above you certainly have not the slightest clue of the combat power of ToS Normandie.
From all the transport services out there i can assure you that we always had a reason for a trained gunner team to defend our ship offensively which is the reason why we have kept our 100% passenger security record since the very start of space - SI certainly helps but its the crew that matters.
So is it now the owner of Dreadnought that you want to 'defend' this time ? Then better read what Narfi had to say about this further up in this thread.

Dusk is completely right that the Dreadnought changing hands to a longtime known community member with good reputation would be a situation to be evaluated separately - but i certainly are not a person to support the sale of a mothership into the hands of someone without any reputation.
Besides we are far from the point where i think that the current owner of the Dreadnought will sell his ship - this part is here for the point in future were mindark gets around to balance space combat and gunning range as well as introducing higher armament devices, sub warp drives and adjusting warp drives / fixing mines.
 
@ Narfi

Few points you should consider:

1. You have no idea how it happened that Goldy has been kicked from ck Shadow and your words prove it, but since it's society stuff I won't post here, it's not your/public business.

2. Lot of ck Shadows are in Dreadnought crew.

3. Have you got evidence any passenger of Dreadnought has been looted so far? cause it didn't happen. So the service Goldy is runnung is safe.
Maybe you wouldn't trust a Nebula Virus member for safe flights, but I see Goldy is serious whe offering flights.
From your point of view it is not trustable or possible that a pirate might be professional when offering a protection service, but it looks like you are wrong here, and the many Goldy's customers can prove it.

4. I never told I am speaking for my society, please don't read words not written anymore cause I'm getting bored to reply to your "intuitions"

5. You talk often in public of events you just have heard about, -rep was deserved
 
@ Narfi

Few points you should consider:

1. You have no idea how it happened that Goldy has been kicked from ck Shadow and your words prove it, but since it's society stuff I won't post here, it's not your/public business.

2. Lot of ck Shadows are in Dreadnought crew.

3. Have you got evidence any passenger of Dreadnought has been looted so far? cause it didn't happen. So the service Goldy is runnung is safe.
Maybe you wouldn't trust a Nebula Virus member for safe flights, but I see Goldy is serious whe offering flights.
From your point of view it is not trustable or possible that a pirate might be professional when offering a protection service, but it looks like you are wrong here, and the many Goldy's customers can prove it.

4. I never told I am speaking for my society, please don't read words not written anymore cause I'm getting bored to reply to your "intuitions"

5. You talk often in public of events you just have heard about, -rep was deserved


So you already knew that goldy was a pirate while he was in ckshadows and ckshadows are part of the dreadnaught's pirate crew?

Please answer my questions from above though.
Do you aprove of people who premeditate trust scams?
Do you aprove of spaming pornography on other services websights?
 
So you already knew that goldy was a pirate while he was in ckshadows and ckshadows are part of the dreadnaught's pirate crew?

Goldy wasn't pirate when he was in ckshadows. At least if you don't consider Kronan attack without looting crew piracy, and it happened just few days before he got kicked from the society. The society kick was mostly to defend the reputation of the society that might be affected by the loss of reputation of one new member, evidences wasn't needed or searched in details.

Do you aprove of people who premeditate trust scams?

You read between the lines, misunderstanding.

NO, I don't approve, but I would remember to the whole community that Trades are final and Never trade something without collateral. Trade items at your own risks, cause the opportunity makes person thief.
Everyone is master of his own destiny, I decided long time ago (after little scam) to never borrow again my items, and now I have no fear of scammers anymore.

Do you aprove of spaming pornography on other services websights?

NO, I don't approve.
But everything had its weight, good or bad it is. This made me laught and once removed I think you might laught at it too, I wouldn't take it so serious :)

Before you misunderstand again my words let me explain that I am not trying to protect scammers or else, I am here to share my point of view, and I rarely see things Black or White, but most of the times with various (50 sometimes) Shades of Grey :)
 
@ Narfi

Few points you should consider:

1. You have no idea how it happened that Goldy has been kicked from ck Shadow and your words prove it, but since it's society stuff I won't post here, it's not your/public business.

2. Lot of ck Shadows are in Dreadnought crew.

3. Have you got evidence any passenger of Dreadnought has been looted so far? cause it didn't happen. So the service Goldy is runnung is safe.
Maybe you wouldn't trust a Nebula Virus member for safe flights, but I see Goldy is serious whe offering flights.
From your point of view it is not trustable or possible that a pirate might be professional when offering a protection service, but it looks like you are wrong here, and the many Goldy's customers can prove it.

4. I never told I am speaking for my society, please don't read words not written anymore cause I'm getting bored to reply to your "intuitions"

5. You talk often in public of events you just have heard about, -rep was deserved

I didnt say anything in the past of my thouhts of you selling the Dreadnought plus subscribers to someone without reputation even thought having other options - but now with this statement it looks like you sold your previous subscribers to Goldy while knowing that he is a pirate...
I assure you we will care for making all of Goldies 'customers' who keep funding his pirate activities reconsider what they are doing.
 
I didnt say anything in the past of my thouhts of you selling the Dreadnought plus subscribers to someone without reputation even thought having other options - but now with this statement it looks like you sold your previous subscribers to Goldy while knowing that he is a pirate...

No I didn't of course, as everyone else didn't. Goldy never made pirate actions before... the Kronan attack was months after my sale of the Dreadnought.

I assure you we will care for making all of Goldies 'customers' who keep funding his pirate activities reconsider what they are doing.

Feel free to do what you think necessary to.

From myself I use space to travel in my Quadwing without loot, and this from when I sold mothership, so I have nothing contrary :smoke:
 
I didnt say anything in the past of my thouhts of you selling the Dreadnought plus subscribers to someone without reputation even thought having other options - but now with this statement it looks like you sold your previous subscribers to Goldy while knowing that he is a pirate...
I assure you we will care for making all of Goldies 'customers' who keep funding his pirate activities reconsider what they are doing.

I find your tone disturbing...
 
I find your tone disturbing...

Supporting a pirate ship by paying them for protected flights is what is disturbing - even more so if joining their crew...
 
Wow!

All of this because John's given notice that he may do to another MS what they have done to his.
 
It's not a secret who complains about being attacked :D

I agree and its no secret who sold the safety of subscribers for money either - we better leave it at this.
I get it that its in your nature to play the strong guy, but this energy is not well spend defending pirate actions.
 
I agree and its no secret who sold the safety of subscribers for money either - we better leave it at this.
I get it that its in your nature to play the strong guy, but this energy is not well spend defending pirate actions.

You as Narfi love to disrepute everyone doesn't work in your business direction, but this doesn't allow you to judge my deals, expecially when they was fair and transparent as they was.

I sold my mothership, and asked to the buyer as to the crew that I was open for refund of Subscription since the service was no more in my hands.

My crew decided theirself, some regret their decisions and some didn't, and some had their refund. One thing you should remember is that no one in the Dreadnought crew got looted and that if Goldy is a pirate, this means he attacks others ships, not his own crew. :wise:
And in this I defend him.

I already explained as my deal was in complete trust in the buyer and that the crew was free to choose between refund or join new Captain, so stop spread false informations.

Disreputation seems to be a weapon you as others complainers use too often for my taste
 
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Maybe you should look at what the Dreadnought is now and not what it was in the past.

Travel on the Dreadnought if you must, but dont complain if we shoot it down.



NOT everyone who EVER enters that ship is a "pirate" or needs to be judged by jbk the Dictator. Your logic is the same as those people who BOMB woman and children in hospitals JUST because a few terrorists are near it, in it.

Thought there was more to ya....but seems you just another knuckle dragging caveman wanna be Dictator who thinks he can part judgement on all as he wishes. I dont think the pirates need to worry about you....

The most effective dictators have always risen up from within the good side of the fence where they not under the obvious gaze of the people they would eventually dictate and manipulate to their supposed righteous causes ^^......:yup:

Keep an eye on this guy ;)
 
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You as Narfi love to disrepute everyone doesn't work in your business direction, but this doesn't allow you to judge my deals, expecially when they was fair and transparent as they was.

I sold my mothership, and asked to the buyer as to the crew that I was open for refund of Subscription since the service was no more in my hands.

My crew decided theirself, some regret their decisions and some didn't. One thing you should remember is that no one in the Dreadnought crew got looted and that if Goldy is a pirate, this means he attacks others ships, not his own crew. :wise:

I already explained as my deal was in complete trust in the buyer and that the crew was free to choose between refund or join new Captain, so stop spread false informations.

Disreputation seems to be a weapon you as others complainers use too often for my taste

You know of the connection between the Ernestj and Goldy accounts, you should know that Goldy never bothered about pirates when running his flights and even voiced that to his crew - because he knew where the pirates where located. You should have seen the other connections Narfi managed to show up.
With the communication between Goldy and Ernestj being that 'good' - can you really say that no passenger of Dreadnought ever got lootet ? Not even when they were flying down at atmosphere or from station at times ?
Dont you think some of your former subscribers kept their subscriptions trusting in you choosing the right person to take over ?

You can be really happy that Dreadnought hadnt reached the number or level of high value passengers yet to tempt Goldy to cash in before Narfi uncloaked the connection.

Do you really think its ok to pay Goldy for safe transport, knowing that he will use this money to pirate other travelers in space ?

Dont talk of me disreputing you, cause atm you are performing a huge effort to get there yourself.
 
I don't understand if you are doing it on purpose or what else, mate...

I sold Dreadnought 3 months before all of that! :wise:

When I have sold Dreadnought, Goldy was one just of my crew member, he never been pirate and no one had any idea about his relation with Ernestj... for what I did know he was just a new player with enough peds, interested in space stuff and looking for MS from weeks.

Still something missing?

PS: I have talked with all of my old crew in last months and NO, noone has been looted, some changed ship cause Goldy was pirating and some are still in the crew.

PS2: I know few pker that help miners in pvp4, and I don't understand why it shouldn't be ok. Of course it affects your business cause you have to transport passengers safe, but this doesn't mean I should care anymore about it since got no mothership. Your pov is related to your interests, but doesn't mean is the only pov possible, respect my pov as I respect your, I just don't respect you while disreputing everyone with a different one!!!
 
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