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John B Knight said:
This KOS list is about ships not people - which i think has been very clear from the start - the only way to make it on KOS is by being onboard of the listed ships.
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Noted and understood, thanks.

(got a little confused as some other organizations reportedly have people on their blue, green and purple-brown polka-dot lists; however, those lists not being public, it's not possible to be certain about that)
 
What's wrong with crusades? People are so used to use this word negatively without having any idea about the real history behind it.
There was a religious death cult ravaging the world nonstop for several centuries, killing 270 million people in over 300 massive war campaigns.
Mind you it wasn't the era of modern weapons, there was no machine guns or weapons of mass destruction. All those people were killed the old fashioned way, with sword and pike. Unspeakable unimaginable terror on a massive scale, on it's peak it had consumed half the known world.
Crusaders launched a counter-offensive, 9 [nine] crusades total, which killed about 1.7 million people (from both sides), but succeeded in stopping the onslaught of the enemy hordes into Europe and thus saved countless lives as a result.
Crusaders were heroes. In their time and real historic context, there can be no doubt about it. If u use this word negatively you only demonstrate your ignorance, so beware.
 
Fifth said:
What's wrong with crusades? People are so used to use this word negatively without having any idea about the real history behind it.

Crusaders were heroes. In their time and real historic context, there can be no doubt about it. If u use this word negatively you only demonstrate your ignorance, so beware.
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Anyone can go on a crusade with their own faith, that do not mean that there would not exist opposition. In fact, depending on which country or faith you have crusaders can be seen as heroes or enemies. There is an ongoing crusade right now that the majority of the world want to stop at all cost, I do believe that most of the world sees them as enemies and not heroes.. I also think that "crusade" can be used as a neutral word to describe this sort of event without disrespecting the historical meaning, I guess we disagree there.

This thread contains a group of people that mark others with the word "pirate" based on their own judgement of moral and ethics and called it being the right thing to do. This has created an opposition of people that want to stop that. I guess most people think that this thread and group is doing the good thing, while others like me want to stop it at all cost.

Anyway, this thread is a evidence that political elements are growing in Entropia and that might be a good thing. Although, Mindark maybe should adress on what is allowed to do in these conflicts, is it okay to call/mark others as pirates or is that harassment to other players? I also wonder what our president Neverdie thinks on this whole space political conflict.
 
To be honest...I don't understand all the wining and complaining

Varyag is on the kos list of normandie.

But my dear Pirats...the rest of us is on your Kos list..have you thought of that..so just live it :)

and just stop your whining...I am shot down every time I enter Space ( have never had loot on me) and I have never ever whined about it.

So just stop the cry and argument.

The last 20 sides or so...is just silly complain...from who just enjoy shooting the rest of us down in Space

Just my opinion :yay:
 
XarcX said:
I have already added a comment in this thread and I guess you missed it. I can recommend you reading it since it criticizes what you are trying to do with this KOS list ;)

Well, I can add something additional for this thread John: There is no right or wrong in lootable areas. What you try to create is something that you (and others) seems to think is the "right thing to do", which is nothing more than a witchhunt or a crusade. You point blame towards the ones you call "pirates", those are just ordinary people that act as they should inside a lootable pvparea : Kill or flee .

If you want to fight a society with a society in PVP, then that is fine. However, by belittling others by calling them "pirates" who PVP inside a PVP-zone are at the point of personal harassment and should be reported.

Anyway, this KOS list and you trying to create space-authority could be seen as a way to make money, in fact by tarnishing others reputation by this you are gaining trust and more money. Even if you do this for "the right thing" you are aswell earning money by calling other "pirates" in a lootable area. So John I ask you: What is your real purpose with this?
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This is all great. You say it's just a game and they do it not to steal from others but just to have fun. Yet the only issue really is that many times I stated that MA should fix it and take lootable space away and replace it with something else to make it better for all. Well, what is funny here is that most all pirates come back crying saying how lootable space is just fine and what not -- some pirates even stating over and over that PED really has no RL value. But the simple fact is, is that they just love the thrill of being able to take real money from others. Sorry, you can not justify a simple fact.

But yes, if you do want to debate this then I ask again: Why not have MA fix it and make it fun for all of us?
 
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OZtwo said:
This is all great. You say it's just a game and they do it not to steal from others but just to have fun. Yet the only issue really is that many times I stated that MA should fix it and take lootable space away and replace it with something else to make it better for all. Well, what is funny here is that most all pirates come back crying saying how lootable space is just fine and what not -- some pirates even stating over and over that PED really has no RL value. But the simple fact is, is that they just love the thrill of being able to take real money from others. Sorry, you can not justify a simple fact.

But yes, if you do want to debate this then I ask again: Why not have MA fix it and make it fun for all of us?
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Because this will probably (hopefully) never happen and this kind of thinking is the real threat for every player in Entropia. Why? Because a lot of players have invested money in space and if lootable is to be removed then Mindark would ruin their investments. Not only that, it will also damage the planetside economy since it is now based of transporting resources between planets and the risk of it. Mindark created space as lootable and changing it will have devastating consequences.

I will also give you this to think about: You are indirectly robbing other players in this game by profiting, since the profit you gain is based on the loss of other players. The only difference with lootable is that the profits is gained directly by looting other players instead of indirectly through lootpool. This is legal in Entropia, as it is legal to play poker against other players in casinos and taking their chips. You see looting others in lootable as immoral, but not everybody agree to this.
 
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If the Normandie shoots down other ships in pvp doesn't that make them pirates as well? :scratch2:


I've not read the whole thread so apologies if it's mentioned before.
 
XarcX said:
Because this will probably (hopefully) never happen and this kind of thinking is the real threat for every player in Entropia. Why? Because a lot of players have invested money in space and if lootable is to be removed then Mindark would ruin their investments. Not only that, it will also damage the planetside economy since it is now based of transporting resources between planets and the risk of it. Mindark created space as lootable and changing it will have devastating consequences.

I will also give you this to think about: You are indirectly robbing other players in this game by profiting, since the profit you gain is based on the loss of other players. The only difference with lootable is that the profits is gained directly by looting other players instead of indirectly through lootpool. This is legal in Entropia, as it is legal to play poker against other players in casinos and taking their chips. You see looting others in lootable as immoral, but not everybody agree to this.
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As I stated. :) Listen to your justification there. :) I stated that MA needs to remove it to be replaced by something better that would work out for all of us. Of course MA can't remove space due to the high investments. Now can YOU think of anyway MA could do this? Lets hear some of your ideas how lootable space can be removed yet need even higher demand for Motherships and taxis?

That second paragraph is just well, a true pirate trying as hard as he can to try and justify what he is doing is not wrong. :)
 
Crime by association soon to make way for THOUGHT CRIMES by your local Normandie kangaroo court. :eyecrazy:
 
XarcX said:
Anyway, this thread is a evidence that political elements are growing in Entropia and that might be a good thing. Although, Mindark maybe should adress on what is allowed to do in these conflicts, is it okay to call/mark others as pirates or is that harassment to other players? I also wonder what our president Neverdie thinks on this whole space political conflict.
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Our president gave his mothership 'Revenge' to the first pirate soc 'Rockstars' which was his soc to use for 'piracy' back in 2011.
Daisy - who is also here on the thread busily crying on how unfair the world is even though he is offcially no pirate anymore - was one of the members of the soc in those days and promised to kill and loot Normandie as well as stop our transport service. His promises never were fullfilled.

Political elements are not growing they have always been there, starting with players who make 'sidedeals' during auctions to not bid against others, or pm others to charge for not bidding further, player organisations who use their combined power to manipulate market prices, players who form an pvp alliance to secure landgrabs, players who form a pirate soc and try to tax transport providers, players who offer transport services while leaking information to pirates, pirate who come to the forums taking sides with or against some service providers to trick passengers to fly insecure,...

Even organisations like ToS who oppose piracy and officially name the targets they will persue in space pvp - who then get opposed by others who think that its 'wholly unfair' when someone officially claims to hunt someone (pirates) who hunts everyone ;)
 
OZtwo said:
As I stated. :) Listen to your justification there. :) I stated that MA needs to remove it to be replaced by something better that would work out for all of us. Of course MA can't remove space due to the high investments. Now can YOU think of anyway MA could do this? Lets hear some of your ideas how lootable space can be removed yet need even higher demand for Motherships and taxis?

That second paragraph is just well, a true pirate trying as hard as he can to try and justify what he is doing is not wrong. :)
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I meant remove lootable space, not the whole space. I do not see the point of changing it to not be lootable, so what is there to discuss? Please refer to the many good suggestions already posted in this thread and many others on how to remove/change lootable space. I myself do not want change it neither do I think there is a way to remove lootable in space without consequences for players. And, why should Mindark change it? Because a certain playerbase do not like it?

Also your own second paragraph is just well, a cheap comment slandering someone as a pirate in hope to justify that what he is believing is morally right thing :rolleyes:
 
Varyag kill #9.

Finally got them to shoot at us after taking their mobs for around an hour.
Did let them drop our SI abit until they felt like sending more gunners out could get them a win, then we sent our own gunners out and ended it ;)

Still think it was a good idea to 'apply' for our KOS list ? Be welcome :)
 
XarcX said:
I meant remove lootable space, not the whole space. I do not see the point of changing it to not be lootable, so what is there to discuss? Please refer to the many good suggestions already posted in this thread and many others on how to remove/change lootable space. I myself do not want change it neither do I think there is a way to remove lootable in space without consequences for players. And, why should Mindark change it? Because a certain playerbase do not like it?
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Of course you want to keep lootable space. You get the most bang for your buck that why really. Ask any bank robber and they will say the exact same thing here. Robbing from others is robbing and no way to change who the person is.

But MA could make it so that instead of lootable space they make it so that the pvp area is lootable as in system giving out loot based on players lvl and/or ship's SI or what not. Just think of the hell space could become with everyone shooting at everyone trying to get that ATH. The only way you could really make it to a given planet would be by means of a Mothership, if even that could make it. Under such a system even motherships would have to be fully manned to get through the hell called space. But yes, I know, that sucks because that would be way to much work for you to earn your money.

Hell for most for the fun of the few?
 
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This is a very problematic thread. The topic itself doesn't violate the forum rules, and most of the posts doesn't either. But the nature of this thread is taunting, and every "thread starter" update in this thread is a new taunt and attempt to humiliate. Both the topic and the content from both rivaling parts in this thread is kind of okay, how ever, this thread has turned into a competition on who can send most forum reports on each other. Quite frankly I am sick of it and hence my patience is up.

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:( no more bullying
 
one can hope lol though probably won't stop them in game
 
It seems that NVE soc has decided to withdraw from crewing Varyag.
We of course will keep checking if word holds truth.

This still leaves the question open however if Varyag will resume in pirate activities on their own and or due to close relations with pirates resume a secret operation.

However they are still on our KOS list and still at war with ToS and KISS.
 
John B Knight said:
Our president gave his mothership 'Revenge' to the first pirate soc 'Rockstars' which was his soc to use for 'piracy' back in 2011.
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False claim by John Black Knight ( < so not a white Knight hey ;) )- It was given to us to use as we saw fit for PVP fun and transportation. As we were still a PK society at that time, there were no discussions between ND and ROCK STARS concerning it's use for "pirating" at all. Another error in a string of fictitious claims on your part is that we were in fact not a society governed, instructed, guided or even financed by anyone other than our society leader Force. It can in fact be claimed that we were considered to be hostile towards ND's planet ROCKTROPIA by being so aggressive with planet side PK, to the point where we were warned to stop killing everyone making them leave the planet (and warned to ease up Pking on another planet as well ). As i come with first hand information to your baseless assumptions, i would say you are clearly resorting to manufacturing fictions, and actually being quite hostile, antagonistic even towards an active planet partner.


John B Knight said:
Daisy - who is also here on the thread busily crying on how unfair the world is even though he is offcially no pirate anymore - was one of the members of the soc in those days and promised to kill and loot Normandie as well as stop our transport service. His promises never were fullfilled.
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The world is lovely and fair thanks - Normandie was in fact killed, your passengers were looted and your services were stopped from running on schedule, verifiable by all those onboard at those times. All of those promises were in fact fulfilled several times over. Again highlighting yet another desperately Exaggerated bit of manufactured gutter mud by the dark heart himself, John Black Knight.

I know you are feeling the pressure as players are realizing how you really are and boycotting you for it - but please, seeing you this desparate that you drag me into your thread is just a tad embarrassing. If it is not to much to ask, could you at least try to base your claims on actual facts rather than your own second hand assumptions.

I acknowledge and chose to take your bait - You lured me in here - so now lets see if e-lite ban's or allows my response to your direct accusations. Thats your goal with luring me in here right out of the blue like this huhblack knight ^^ - let's see.

And please dont mention my name again - i get the jeebers whenever you peasants have the audacity to mention me by name :smoke:

DCF
 
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e-lite said:
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This is a very problematic thread. The topic itself doesn't violate the forum rules, and most of the posts doesn't either. But the nature of this thread is taunting, and every "thread starter" update in this thread is a new taunt and attempt to humiliate. Both the topic and the content from both rivaling parts in this thread is kind of okay, how ever, this thread has turned into a competition on who can send most forum reports on each other. Quite frankly I am sick of it and hence my patience is up.

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I think your :locked: is broken btw e-lite.

PS: One thing I will agree with, is someone acting tough in this thread and snidely reporting dissenting posts with the attempt to get people forum banned, often successfully or at the very least the post deleted.

You know who you are. :yup:
 
DaisyColdFinger said:
False claim by John Black Knight ( < so not a white Knight hey ;) )- It was given to us for PVP fun and transportation. As we were still a PK society at that time, there were no discussions between ND and ROCK STARS concerning it's use for "pirating" at all. Another error in a string of fictitious claims on your part is that we were in fact not a society governed, instructed, guided or even financed by anyone other than our society leader Force. It can in fact be claimed that we were considered to be hostile towards ND's planet ROCKTROPIA by being so aggressive with planet side PK, to the point where we were warned to stop killing everyone making them leave the planet (and warned to ease up Pking on another planet as well ). As i come with first hand information to your baseless assumptions, i would say you are clearly resorting to manufacturing fictions, and actually being quite hostile, antagonistic even towards an active planet partner.




The world is lovely and fair thanks - Normandie was in fact killed, your passengers were looted and your services were stopped from running on schedule, verifiable by all those onboard at those times. All of those promises were in fact fulfilled several times over. Again highlighting yet another Exaggerated JBK claim.

I know you are feeling the pressure as players are realizing how you really are and boycotting you for it - but please, seeing you sling mud from the gutter is just embarresing. If it is not to much to ask, could you at least try to base your claims on actual facts rather than your own second hand assumptions.

Good night

DCF
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lol did someone get hurt in his pride ;)
You could have tried to claim looting us successfully with evidence when you did, dont try claiming such things 5 years later when we both know that it didnt happen.
You infact managed one kill on us comming back from a hunting trip back in summer 2011 when we had puny 2k SI and there were certainly no passengers on the hunt, your claims were way after that and never fullfilled.
But thanks for admitting to those claims - shows how much you are just words without action ;)
 
John B Knight said:
lol did someone get hurt in his pride ;)
You could have tried to claim looting us successfully with evidence when you did, dont try claiming such things 5 years later when we both know that it didnt happen.
You infact managed one kill on us comming back from a hunting trip back in summer 2011 when we had puny 2k SI and there were certainly no passengers on the hunt, your claims were way after that and never fullfilled.
But thanks for admitting to those claims - shows how much you are just words without action ;)
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Ouch - allot of your crew and pasengers are going to see what you wrote there and go "OMG" Blakc Knight is actually fibbing for real ! " Pride you say ? LoL stuff pride - that is me playing with my Rabbit son ;) Dig a little deeper rabbit ;)
 
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e-lite said:
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This is a very problematic thread. The topic itself doesn't violate the forum rules, and most of the posts doesn't either. But the nature of this thread is taunting, and every "thread starter" update in this thread is a new taunt and attempt to humiliate. Both the topic and the content from both rivaling parts in this thread is kind of okay, how ever, this thread has turned into a competition on who can send most forum reports on each other. Quite frankly I am sick of it and hence my patience is up.

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LOL guess e-lite forgot who's forum thread this was...sorry e-lite everyone has a boss....
 
How about ya'll stream some of these epic space battles on Twitch? ;)
 
ZPF said:
How about ya'll stream some of these epic space battles on Twitch? ;)
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We have some videos, I have one from the other night when they were shooting at us then we destroyed them. Twitch might be an issue though, would give away too many internal secrets ;)
 
Xane said:
LOL guess e-lite forgot who's forum thread this was...sorry e-lite everyone has a boss....
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It is not often i get honored with a setup - so i was quite intrigued when i saw Black Knights "trap" for me.

I mean to suddenly bring up fictions related to ancient incidents and directly referencing me was rather odd and quite obvious as the alarm bells started going off up in the ol "noggin".

For those who dont know whats going on > here is the setup : e-lite absolutely despises Daisy (confirmed fact) and has been looking for a way to ban Daisy for several months now ( another fun calling him out on his bias at other times ) > he managed to get a warning issued which i will agree was a little iffy, but i will grant him a win (he needed one) > he got me there - Now, between myself and Black Knight we have a somewhat sophisticated friendly war like relationship going. He knows of e-lite hard to control dislike for daisy and so he decided to see if he could BAIT me and hope the repose would be enough for a ban by the emotional e-lite (mod). Seeing as i like walking the fine line and with e-lite finding it hard to just ban me outright, Black Knight knows any sort of response by me has very good odds of getting e-lite's bias against DCF provoked for a Daisy ban > Black Knights goal :)


What Black Knight hopes will happen is that e-lites blind dislike for DCF ( confirmed fact) will cause him to get emotional enough to ignore Black Knights provocation and jump straight at daisy jugular. He might just get that as we can all see e-lite is quite worked up about this entire thread already. So if it is not a more appropriate thread lock then e-lite will surely go with his emotions and Daisy :)

Since our game has now been revealed I am happy to be sacrificed on this occasion for the purposes of total clarity/transparency. I will more than likely loose this one to Black Knights manipulation of e-lite feelings - this time :)

It's PVP everywhere lol

PS : I should, but i am not resorting to reporting threads as others are - not my style ;)
 
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DaisyColdFinger said:
It is not often i get honored with a setup - so i was quite intrigued when i saw Black Knights "trap" for me.

I mean to suddenly bring up fictions related to ancient incidents and directly referencing me was rather odd and quite obvious as the alarm bells started going off up in the ol "noggin".

For those who dont know whats going on > here is the setup : e-lite absolutely despises Daisy (confirmed fact) and has been looking for a way to ban Daisy for several months now ( another fun calling him out on his bias at other times ) > he managed to get a warning issued which i will agree was a little iffy, but i will grant him a win (he needed one) > he got me there - Now, between myself and Black Knight we have a somewhat sophisticated friendly war like relationship going. He knows of e-lite hard to control dislike for daisy and so he decided to see if he could BAIT me and hope the repose would be enough for a ban by the emotional e-lite (mod). Seeing as i like walking the fine line and with e-lite finding it hard to just ban me outright, Black Knight knows any sort of response by me has very good odds of getting e-lite's bias against DCF provoked for a Daisy ban > Black Knights goal :)


What Black Knight hopes will happen is that e-lites blind dislike for DCF ( confirmed fact) will cause him to get emotional enough to ignore Black Knights provocation and jump straight at daisy jugular. He might just get that as we can all see e-lite is quite worked up about this entire thread already. So if it is not a more appropriate thread lock then e-lite will surely go with his emotions and Daisy :)

Since our game has now been revealed I am happy to be sacrificed on this occasion for the purposes of total clarity/transparency. I will more than likely loose this one to Black Knights manipulation of e-lite feelings - this time :)

It's PVP everywhere lol
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Thanks for the compliment, i do infact always spent thought on direct and indirect consequences before i make a post (as should everyone else) - i however have no need to 'set traps' for you - you know the forum rules and know when you violate them when you go offtopic/etc. - funny how Xane and you want to tempt a mod into closing a thread by insulting him -makes one wonder who has the secret agenda :rolleyes:
 
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