Should a nodepositer have the same chance?

Hey,

I wonder what u think about this question.

Should a nodepositer have the same chance to hit a hoff as a depositer?

yes, they do have the same chance... but getting to that chance will take a lot of time... time = money, so in some ways non-depositors are depositors because they are depositing their time.

Um. Yeah.

Why play at all if you cant win? I mean, would you log on if you were told "Sorry bub, this is a real cash economy, and we have a minimum deposit level before you even have a chance to participate. But hey, this game is free to play!"

I wouldn't. They couldn't pay me to stay in an environment with such a clear double standard.

Ofc.. when earning money in game is possible people must have some motivation to spend it in game

Well maybe if non-depositers have the same chances to loot a ATH HOF thats fine, but MA really needs to reward the players who put money into this game and fund the ATH HOFs.

At the end of the day, if the likes of the big depositers stopped, the game would slowly go bankrupt. MindArk tried with extra gifts at various holidays, but the value of such gifts was minimal.

I would suggest rewards for depositors such as;
Depositing tiers;
Tier 1. $10-500 per year: Random holiday gifts.
Tier 2. $500-1000 per year: 1 point Agility and Stamina
Tier 3. $1001-5000 per year: 2 points Agility and Stamina
Tier 4. $5001-10000 per year: 3 points Agility, Stamina and Health + New clothing item UL
Tier 5. $10001-20000 per year: Tier 3 + UL gun (At least 50dps/eco)
Tier 6. $20001-50000 per year: Tier 5 + UL QUAD
Tier 7. $50000-100000 per year: Tier 6 + UL new spacecraft

If you look at other MMOs, they reward people who take out different levels of subscription with various ingame items. Surely if you deposit in this game you should be rewarded for supporting the system and those who do not deposit.

Cheers
Bjorn

Few Scars said:

Well maybe if non-depositers have the same chances to loot a ATH HOF thats fine, but MA really needs to reward the players who put money into this game and fund the ATH HOFs.

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Aren't they already doing that, sort of with stuff like the CLDs?, Taxes on LAs, etc.

I do agree though, more 'uses' for the holiday gifts, etc. for the depositors, etc. would be nice. Maybe put buffs in to the items they hand out in gifts, etc. 'wings' like the batwings and angel wings could have been free non-oil using flying vehicles, etc. Maybe reindeer ears help your hearing so give buff to aim when equipped, etc.

Sjoeblom Winery Chauvignon Crystal could have possibly buffed how fast you heal or something if in inventory... you don't feel the bruises and bashes from the mob as much...

Evil Skull Facemask, Polar Bear Head, etc. could have increased melee and pistol damage since you scared the mob nearby

Jolly Christmas Hat and Jolly Christmas Mittens could have lowered cold damage you receive or something like that... sort of like an UL, non decaying armor plating add on

Calypso Elf Shoes could have added to speed when equipped or something.. maybe also increase your speed when you are heavy

Reaper's Scythe, Calypso Candy Cane, Infernal Trident, etc. ,could easily have been made in to real weapons that do damage

The boxes and boorms are nice steps in the right direction, now they just need to go a few steps further.

Yes. Dumb question. Yes.

Otherwise no incentive.

Few Scars said:

Well maybe if non-depositers have the same chances to loot a ATH HOF thats fine, but MA really needs to reward the players who put money into this game and fund the ATH HOFs.

At the end of the day, if the likes of the big depositers stopped, the game would slowly go bankrupt. MindArk tried with extra gifts at various holidays, but the value of such gifts was minimal.

I would suggest rewards for depositors such as;
Depositing tiers;
Tier 1. $10-500 per year: Random holiday gifts.
Tier 2. $500-1000 per year: 1 point Agility and Stamina
Tier 3. $1001-5000 per year: 2 points Agility and Stamina
Tier 4. $5001-10000 per year: 3 points Agility, Stamina and Health + New clothing item UL
Tier 5. $10001-20000 per year: Tier 3 + UL gun (At least 50dps/eco)
Tier 6. $20001-50000 per year: Tier 5 + UL QUAD
Tier 7. $50000-100000 per year: Tier 6 + UL new spacecraft

If you look at other MMOs, they reward people who take out different levels of subscription with various ingame items. Surely if you deposit in this game you should be rewarded for supporting the system and those who do not deposit.

Cheers
Bjorn

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Well, it would be good for huge depositor, but bad for the marketing.
"Yes, Entropia is free, but some skill like the stamina is so hard to get, that you have at least to depo each month 50 dollars, to be sure to have one pro years. If you want you can play for free, but you will have less regen"
Don't make worse the MA marketing.

Depositors already have more PED to spend on things

Asteraceae said:

Well, it would be good for huge depositor, but bad for the marketing.
"Yes, Entropia is free, but some skill like the stamina is so hard to get, that you have at least to depo each month 50 dollars, to be sure to have one pro years. If you want you can play for free, but you will have less regen"
Don't make worse the MA marketing.

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Just depositing $50 per month would get you into Tier 2 immediately. Thats ~$1.50 per day for awesome entertainment! Bump that to $500 per month, only ~$15 per day and you are in Tier 3. Not very hard to depo $500 a month.
This a real cash economy, its not bad for marketing when the rewards can be awesome.

Few Scars said:

Just depositing $50 per month would get you into Tier 2 immediately. Thats ~$1.50 per day for awesome entertainment! Bump that to $500 per month, only ~$15 per day and you are in Tier 3. Not very hard to depo $500 a month.
This a real cash economy, its not bad for marketing when the rewards can be awesome.

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maybe.. but on the other hand for something advertised as 'free to play' it looks pretty sad when it's really a subscription game in disguise. Besides that the monthly thing isn't so great on some levels because some folks just do like one lump payment a year of a huge amount (after an inheritance, tax return, etc.) and then no deposits til the next year. If the special gifts of whatever are based on monthly counts of how much is deposited every month, that would mess it up for those types I think.

Few Scars said:

Well maybe if non-depositers have the same chances to loot a ATH HOF thats fine, but MA really needs to reward the players who put money into this game and fund the ATH HOFs.

At the end of the day, if the likes of the big depositers stopped, the game would slowly go bankrupt. MindArk tried with extra gifts at various holidays, but the value of such gifts was minimal.

I would suggest rewards for depositors such as;
Depositing tiers;
Tier 1. $10-500 per year: Random holiday gifts.
Tier 2. $500-1000 per year: 1 point Agility and Stamina
Tier 3. $1001-5000 per year: 2 points Agility and Stamina
Tier 4. $5001-10000 per year: 3 points Agility, Stamina and Health + New clothing item UL
Tier 5. $10001-20000 per year: Tier 3 + UL gun (At least 50dps/eco)
Tier 6. $20001-50000 per year: Tier 5 + UL QUAD
Tier 7. $50000-100000 per year: Tier 6 + UL new spacecraft

If you look at other MMOs, they reward people who take out different levels of subscription with various ingame items. Surely if you deposit in this game you should be rewarded for supporting the system and those who do not deposit.

Cheers
Bjorn

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You can already deposit and just buy stuff.

No to buying tiers or attributes.

BBpunisher said:

Yes. Dumb question. Yes.

Otherwise no incentive.

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Whats dumb with that? It seems to need a discussion...

I think it already same chance as far as i know for hitting globals and aths? i have heard a few non-depo hitting ath and uber 5 digits...if i heard the truth

/modnote/ expanded the poll questions to remove ambiguity

mastermesh said:

maybe.. but on the other hand for something advertised as 'free to play' it looks pretty sad when it's really a subscription game in disguise. Besides that the monthly thing isn't so great on some levels because some folks just do like one lump payment a year of a huge amount (after an inheritance, tax return, etc.) and then no deposits til the next year. If the special gifts of whatever are based on monthly counts of how much is deposited every month, that would mess it up for those types I think.

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I agree MA should remove the free to play marketing as it is deceptive. My suggested Tiering system is based on annual deposits. Most of us have been playing many years and are loyal to MindArk. If however it was based on monthy deposits, that one big massive deposit would unlock the deposit tier.
There is alot of disproportion between players who get huge ATH HOFs who dont deposit much and those who do.
Its nice to win, but I think some loyalty to the game, deposits and skills should have some influence on how you do in game.

Few Scars said:

If you look at other MMOs, they reward people who take out different levels of subscription with various ingame items. Surely if you deposit in this game you should be rewarded for supporting the system and those who do not deposit.

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Yeah, this would be a good idea.

Because depositor elitism is exactly what Entropia needs.
"Look at my stats/rare items/gifts, I deposit so much. Obviously I'm better."

Ok so i deposit a bunch a year, sell the uber gear i get for free with all my deposits, and withdraw all for a nice profit. Sounds like a plan

ive got lotsa money i deserve free stuff.

ive got lotsa money i deserve more opportunities to make money than the rabble.

ive got lotsa money i deserve to be treated differently than the rest of the poor schlubs.

ive got lotsa money i deserve things to be be easier for me.

ive got lotsa money i deserve to be recognized for being better than everyone else.


so did i miss anything else that you paragons of equality were tying to get across? or does that about some it up...

Let me see if I understand correctly: despite the fact that Entropia Universe is already substantially easier with each dollar deposited, you're trying to tell me it should be even easier?

Sorry, but it's poll option number one. And it will always be poll option number one barring any huge, fundamental platform changes.

All avatars are equal.

nonaware said:

so did i miss anything else that you paragons of equality were tying to get across? or does that about some it up...

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Not really. You can look at this two ways. The way that I look at it is that for the people who support the game by depositing should get something more in return.

I would suggest rewards for depositors such as;
Depositing tiers;
Tier 1. $10-500 per year: Random holiday gifts.
Tier 2. $500-1000 per year: 1 point Agility and Stamina
Tier 3. $1001-5000 per year: 2 points Agility and Stamina
Tier 4. $5001-10000 per year: 3 points Agility, Stamina and Health + New clothing item UL
Tier 5. $10001-20000 per year: Tier 3 + UL gun (At least 50dps/eco)
Tier 6. $20001-50000 per year: Tier 5 + UL QUAD
Tier 7. $50000-100000 per year: Tier 6 + UL new spacecraft

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On first look i liked the idea, but on second it would just bring more investors to the game who would only take more from it then really depositors who play the game

Nestea said:

Should a nodepositer have the same chance to hit a hoff as a depositer?

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Of course not. Just like when I go down to local supermarket to play on horses they first look up how much I already spent to make sure that I have no chance of winning more than I already lost.

Where's the option called "Nobody should be able to cash out but me"? I wouldn't want to see a HoF leaving the system that didn't belong to me.

Nestea said:

Whats dumb with that? It seems to need a discussion...

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It is dumb, so very dumb.

EU is pretty much like a Casino. Where you get your money from is irrelevant. Doubt any Casino owner likes the prostitute beating pimp any less who gambles 10k Dollars a night then the corrupt politician or the honest lottery winner.

So when paying for something I expect to get what I paid for and where I get my money from is none of your effing business really.

This has got to be one of the most pointless threads even for this forum standard in a long while.


Angel

Few Scars said:

I agree MA should remove the free to play marketing as it is deceptive. My suggested Tiering system is based on annual deposits. Most of us have been playing many years and are loyal to MindArk. If however it was based on monthy deposits, that one big massive deposit would unlock the deposit tier.
There is alot of disproportion between players who get huge ATH HOFs who dont deposit much and those who do.
Its nice to win, but I think some loyalty to the game, deposits and skills should have some influence on how you do in game.

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I agree with you


The various points that through high deposits you already have an easier game etc. are idiotic. Of cours it must become easier otherwise you wouldn't invest in the first place. And since EU is largely a disguised Casino MA should treat it a little like it.

Example
You go to Vegas and sit down on a 1000 dollar poker game and play for a few hours. Rest assured you'll get anything you ever wish for free from the Casino for as long as you keep playing (free room, helicopter flights around Vegas at night, VIP tickets to the best shows, women or men that will do anything you want from them paid by the Casino etc. ... the more you gamble away, the more a Casino will cater for your every living need).

So based on that, why shouldn't MA give incentives to deposit more, why shouldn't they reward high rollers?


I disagree personally with attribute gains as only those show a certain level of experience but I would go along the lines of super items (either limited or unlimited). For Harmony's point of depositing loads, getting free stuff and selling it all ... Make though items non tradeable, non auctionable - tick done -

And I will go a lot further with this. If depositing enough I expect my support cases to be handled with a different priority. At a certain level I expect telephone support or access to maybe ingame support. And there are probably lots more that MA could do to cater for those people that pay their wages.


And for those wanting to argue that everyone is equal I merely smile and say, you just believe that. Money rules the world, has always been that way and will always be that way. Whether you personally like it or not is irrelevant.

But in terms of non depositers not having the same chances I disagree ... If you're in Vegas playing poker you get the same chance as anyone else, regardless how you made your cash that you're gambling with.


Angel

Yes, because otherwise next question would be "should one who deposit X/year has the same chance as the one who deposit 10X/year", and so on.

Depends what you mean with the question.

Any newbie can ofc deposit 100k, buy some bps and materials and get a hof, easily. But expensive.
Any non-depositing newbie will probably have to spend months or years to get a hof.

But if you mean whether MA should increase hof chances for depositors, compares to non-depositers doing same actions, the answer is ofc no.

CeePee said:

All avatars are equal.

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Some more than others... But Yes.

Mindark doesn't make money on people depositing USD to buy PED.
Mindark makes money when people do activities ingame, no matter where they got their PED from - it is possible than a resourceful nondepositor makes more money for Mindark than some not very active depositor.

And there is this problem:
If a father of a family deposits 1000$ and then shares it ingame with his whole family of 5, then by your suggestion these 5 family members would have lower chance to get a HOF.