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Do you like Mining System changes ??

Do you like Mining System Changes??

  • YES

    Votes: 113 47.5%

  • NO

    Votes: 125 52.5%
  • Total voters
    238
Skullseige said:
Idea,
MA should put something on finders like they have on crafting.
Condition and quantity.
One setting for people that want big loses but ATHs and HoFs. The other for people who don't mind having 90% returns all the time.
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nough said
 
Yeah do this new shit unamped, fine ...leave it how it was amped. I burned hundred of big amps with shit finds for years...why? cuz I had a boner hoping for the big one.

Now they are just gonna give me back a flat 80-90% everytime?

Forget this...I am a fucking gambler. If its just a matter of handing over 100 every day to get 80-90 back, I am gone.

I would rather lose 1000 ped a day for a week and then hit something that at least gives me half a chub, then never hit something worth even a faint glimmer of excitement.

Boring ped-crunchers, go mine unamped and quit whining about big swings...give them the stable 90% MA.

Leave the amps how they were, for us who can afford it, who want the excitement, and who liked it the way it was.



edit...FGD.. accidently clicked the wrong answer. subtract one from "yes" and add one to "no".
 
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Pyhä Antero said:
Yeah, always I don't understand understand what this community wants. First they keep nagging for better return 10 years. When they get it, they want to get rid of it.
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You're generalizing.

There are and were always two side to this. Big time players wanted better returns OVERALL... not stable returns every hour ad nauseum

There is a big fucking difference.
 
If you are a gambler get your amps and go to Hell. ;) Or FOMA.

Better yet, craft and make the resource prices go up instead of down.
 
Sunsout Gunsout said:
Yeah do this new shit unamped, fine ...leave it how it was amped. I burned hundred of big amps with shit finds for years...why? cuz I had a boner hoping for the big one.

Now they are just gonna give me back a flat 80-90% everytime?

Forget this...I am a fucking gambler. If its just a matter of handing over 100 every day to get 80-90 back, I am gone.

I would rather lose 1000 ped a day for a week and then hit something that at least gives me half a chub, then never hit something worth even a faint glimmer of excitement.

Boring ped-crunchers, go mine unamped and quit whining about big swings...give them the stable 90% MA.

Leave the amps how they were, for us who can afford it, who want the excitement, and who liked it the way it was.



edit...FGD.. accidently clicked the wrong answer. subtract one from "yes" and add one to "no".
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Totally Agree, Looking like a great time to chip out and call it quits at this point unless some shit reverts or they figure out some way to make the cry-baby bunch happy, it was exciting pushing the button now its not even worth the time or effort.
 
Xen said:
If you are a gambler get your amps and go to Hell. ;) Or FOMA.
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Seems you didn't tried amps currently at FOMA/HELL.

I repeat - it's same boring crap. Instead of small-small-small-small-small planetary - it's global-global-global-global-global of same size.

This fucking shit predicted now right from beginning. And amped miner at FOMA/HELL is fucked GUARANTEED.

Most funny - even without HoFs. Simple fucking fade away.

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In EU auction is slow. You all will see results soon, of this flatline.
Also, most people in EU is slow too. It will take a bit of time to realize for many - that mining with amps at FOMA/HELL is pure fuckup now.

Guess, what will happen after it?
 
Have both loot systems in game, and give each avatar a switch in the options screen to choose which one they want.
 
Well, people who don't like things highly "dynamic" have had to put up with it for 10 years, so now we can do 10 years less dyanamic.
 
I already voted no. For me this change kills the excitement that was in mining. Mining really is pretty dull without some swirls when you're amped.

The returns may be more stable, but the fun and excitement has all but dried up for me. At least with hunting you get some varied loot sizes (in PED value). Crafting as well. Mining it is the same size over and over and over, very monotonous
 
Looks like someone is bitching about not being able to profit and cycle huge amounts of peds daily anymore.:lolup:
 
Atlantis said:
I already voted no. For me this change kills the excitement that was in mining. Mining really is pretty dull without some swirls when you're amped.

The returns may be more stable, but the fun and excitement has all but dried up for me. At least with hunting you get some varied loot sizes (in PED value). Crafting as well. Mining it is the same size over and over and over, very monotonous
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Everything in game is very monotonous, or you just realise this now? I recently joined the mining ranks, but i still enjoy it. Cause it feels like something I've previously done before to what I'm doing now, grinding my way through the game :).
 
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lmao
it's the Same TT return over all... mine atm has been low past few days has dropped probably to 88% on avg for 90k spent.... not good not horrible...

but you could never make it on hell/foma with L amps.... so....

not sure why people complain.
i am nrfing quite a few amps still...

i am sure there will be a balance we will see once again bigger hits will come.... etc


I like this overall better for the community and game.
 
Sunsout Gunsout said:
You're generalizing.

There are and were always two side to this. Big time players wanted better returns OVERALL... not stable returns every hour ad nauseum

There is a big fucking difference.
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And how much have you cycled in this new system?

Edit. Secondly, I think better returns are impossible if the player base doesn't grow or players spend more money on this, or Mindark lower its costs/revenue.
 
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Futurama said:
Looks like someone is bitching about not being able to profit and cycle huge amounts of peds daily anymore.:lolup:
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You about me?

Dude, if I would wanted that fucking profit at it's apex (for what people agree to give away anything, even fun - profit just for profit, to be able profit more because profit is profit) - you would not see me in mining anymore. Long time ago.

Instead you would see me at AH-only (also my mom, father, grandma, dog, cat, hamster too) fighting brave with sWirlos. I have big experience in that.
 
I have doubts that system really changed... Towers are still there, and maybe average return is just a bit better due to modified loot.

I would wait few days to see if something very big comes out
 
Xen said:
Well, people who don't like things highly "dynamic" have had to put up with it for 10 years, so now we can do 10 years less dyanamic.
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Sorry. Those, who for fucking 10 years wasn't able adjust to DUMBEST ingame profession, and even after ROOKIE TOOLS arrival, which allowed to reduce all costs ten times (ofc, who cares?) - those are simple hopeless.
 
Pyhä Antero said:
And how much have you cycled in this new system?

Edit. Secondly, I think better returns are impossible if the player base doesn't grow or players spend more money on this, or Mindark lower its costs/revenue.
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In the last 30 days I have lost 30,000 Ped. In that month, I have depo'ed 3k USD, it has been cycled and cycled until it is gone. Most of it in the last 10 days. Equally on all three professions. My avatars total value of items, or net worth, stayed the same, except for whatever skill gain I got.

You do the math on how much I cycled, at whatever return you think I am getting. I have max auction offers on most planets..I don't tt everything either. Some returns were 0%! Two L13s in a ROW on Caly a month ago without a single fricking claim, 34 ore drops, and when I went over the exact same area unamped immediately afterward, I found tons of little claims, which means the amp has a preset return, not the skill of the avatar anymore. And now they want to make every L13 hit 2 small globals, that total 90% of the amps tt value, every time, and have you keep doing it over and over yeah right.
 
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dr3w said:
Seems you didn't tried amps currently at FOMA/HELL.

I repeat - it's same boring crap. Instead of small-small-small-small-small planetary - it's global-global-global-global-global of same size.

This fucking shit predicted now right from beginning. And amped miner at FOMA/HELL is fucked GUARANTEED.

Most funny - even without HoFs. Simple fucking fade away.
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It is so predicted now. You are right. Which means the amp has a preset return, it's not the skill of the avatar anymore or going back to a good area that hasn't been touched in months. We all had areas on all planets where we knew exactly what we would hit where, and when. Now I get one small global, and 2 amples amped with a L7, and if I run the exact same path unamped afterward, I hit 10-15 claims in the exact same amount of drops.

Amps are no longer you being in the right place at the right time and knowing your areas. It is simply a pre-ordained set amount of return built in to each amp the second it is made. Maybe, slightly adjusted by your avatar, or location, but 99% of time is pre-set bullshit.
 
Sunsout Gunsout said:
It is so predicted now. You are right. Which means the amp has a preset return, it's not the skill of the avatar anymore or going back to a good area that hasn't been touched in months. We all had areas on all planets where we knew exactly what we would hit where, and when. Now I get one small global, and 2 amples amped with a L7, and if I run the exact same path unamped afterward, I hit 10-15 claims in the exact same amount of drops.

Amps are no longer you being in the right place at the right time and knowing your areas. It is simply a pre-ordained set amount of return built in to each amp the second it is made. Maybe, slightly adjusted by your avatar, or location, but 99% of time is pre-set bullshit.
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I been a miner all my life in entropia and I never see that loot system before and like many people says here I been losing a nice amount of peds and now the chance to get it back is almost 0.

I start to sell all my stuff yesterday and im going to keep selling for the rest of the week.
Im going to withdraw my peds and leave all my skills and 1k ped for when mining will be fun I start again.
Heavy miners on game fill a big parte of crafters needs without them economy will become weak.
 
Look that one yes should be no so we have a draw until now soo im not alone in that boat
 
Mary Jane said:
I been a miner all my life in entropia and I never see that loot system before and like many people says here I been losing a nice amount of peds and now the chance to get it back is almost 0.

I start to sell all my stuff yesterday and im going to keep selling for the rest of the week.
Im going to withdraw my peds and leave all my skills and 1k ped for when mining will be fun I start again.
Heavy miners on game fill a big parte of crafters needs without them economy will become weak.
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I agree. Now the fun is gone. I work hard so my downtime I expect FUN. This is not fun anymore. Will find something else to do now. At least at a casino, you still have the chance for a big one. Here I don't anymore. I am done too.
 
So, all you other people crying for stable returns so you can make 102% per hunt with mu and brag about how awesome you are, guess what? IT JUST GOT A FUCK OF A LOT HARDER! BECAUSE THE 3K USD I DEPOSIT AND LOSE EACH MONTH BECAUSE I AM A HOF ADDICT, WELL THAT'S FUCKING GONE NOW, AND SO ARE THE REST OF THE PEOPLE LIKE ME.

Good luck surviving without us.
 
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Want hof? GO hunt, u will get them, also ur money will be gone faster too so u can have more 'FUN'. And in hunt u can also find long term goals instead of just chasin hofs :)

PS: correct me if im wrong but ii recall someone gettin zinc tower not long ago
 
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Sunsout Gunsout said:
It is so predicted now. You are right. Which means the amp has a preset return, it's not the skill of the avatar anymore or going back to a good area that hasn't been touched in months. We all had areas on all planets where we knew exactly what we would hit where, and when. Now I get one small global, and 2 amples amped with a L7, and if I run the exact same path unamped afterward, I hit 10-15 claims in the exact same amount of drops.

Amps are no longer you being in the right place at the right time and knowing your areas. It is simply a pre-ordained set amount of return built in to each amp the second it is made. Maybe, slightly adjusted by your avatar, or location, but 99% of time is pre-set bullshit.
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Not sure if serious. Ever heard about claim spawn? What comes to dropping lvl 13's on planetside, well I think it's about same if you did your daily hunts with Roman Ram Purifier. They aren't made to be dropped planetside.
 
All I can say is, enjoy the paid surveys. Because this is what mining is going to turn into, if something in the current trends is not reversed.

Piotr said:
Want hof? GO hunt, u will get them, also ur money will be gone faster too so u can have more 'FUN'. And in hunt u can also find long term goals instead of just chasin hofs :)
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I have been mining again last week for the first time for a long time...been crafting a lo

Anyways mining planet side, just dropped 29 bombs without a find, i dont remember that ever happening before, and i mined for years

Rgds

Ace
 
Piotr said:
PS: correct me if im wrong but ii recall someone gettin zinc tower not long ago
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I wish people would stop pointing out shitty HOF's (4070k) that people get like it is proof they are doing good. Ask my SOC...in the 24 hours prior to that I lost 4k. I lost 4k the 24 hours after that too. With sickly returns before and after, pure shit sick fucking returns. That little tower doesn't change nothing when your down 400,000 ped in 2 years. :)
 
Sunsout Gunsout said:
I wish people would stop pointing out shitty HOF's (4070k) that people get like it is proof they are doing good. Ask my SOC...in the 24 hours prior to that I lost 4k. I lost 4k the 24 hours after that too. With sickly returns before and after, pure shit sick fucking returns. That little tower doesn't change nothing when your down 400,000 ped in 2 years. :)
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I'm glad you are leaving then for your sake, cause that spending habit is not healthy :eek: & I thought my losses were bad, my God :holyshit:. Depositing near to $1700 per month for 2 years straight, with 1 word, insane :jawdrop:!
 
dr3w said:
Sorry. Those, who for fucking 10 years wasn't able adjust to DUMBEST ingame profession, and even after ROOKIE TOOLS arrival, which allowed to reduce all costs ten times (ofc, who cares?) - those are simple hopeless.
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I know previously, far too many times I went out and got 60% tt return (not just on Hell/FOMA). I know most people don't have the ped card to withstand that, or even if they did, became too disgusted and quit, not wanting to keep on losing and losing and hoping they will get a big one to even things up.

Now that doesn't happen, or will happen far less, and I think that's good for the game.

But it seems like you do have that ped card to do that, maybe that is why you liked the old system, because it eliminated part of the competition.

You keep on arguing your own selfish position and calling everyone stupid, you seem to be good at that.
 
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