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Hello - i bet everyone is curious whats the decay on this refiner.

Since i asked TheRock Animalcommander RockY to do decay test - the result was (if everything was done right):

Adjusted Chikara Refiner
0.015pec decay
(or 0.15ped per 1k refined if someone likes this form better)

It is huge improvement compared to T-105 (0.021pec)


TheRock will post screenies soon and i ask others to decay test this and confirm if possible.

Falagor
:bandit:
 
Not bad, but i use MR-400 (0.02) and i think that Adj may be 0.01 :)
Based on T-105 and MR400 prices, price on Adj may be between (+500) - (+700)
 
Gewitter said:
Not bad, but i use MR-400 (0.02) and i think that Adj may be 0.01 :)
Based on T-105 and MR400 prices, price on Adj may be between (+500) - (+700)
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Yeah. Now, please, someone calc economic reason to recoup +500 or +700. How much crap should be refined? (smile.jpg)
 
Thanks Falagor.

Yes, I used 15 fruits till it got fully TT (24.00) after refining 3 belk stones.

Info about the refiner...
 
dr3w said:
Yeah. Now, please, someone calc economic reason to recoup +500 or +700. How much crap should be refined? (smile.jpg)
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Refining 1k with T-104 = 0.23ped
Refining 1k with Adjusted = 0.15ped

So after refining 1 milion with Adjusted and you save 800peds comapred to T-104.

Falagor
:bandit:
 
dr3w said:
Yeah. Now, please, someone calc economic reason to recoup +500 or +700. How much crap should be refined? (smile.jpg)
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Its easy.
If you refine 100 PED Lyst per day (everyday) with MR-400 your savings will be ~40 PED / year, compared to MR-100
Here we have 25% better, caused to 50 PED eco / year + addition for rare item ;)

If you refine 1000 PED/day, your savings will be up to 100 PED / year, compared to MR-400/T-105

T-105 price is TT+250 (+300). For adj. it may be TT+(500-700).

Added:
Falagor, you must divide to 10 more...
 
Gewitter said:
Its easy.
If you refine 100 PED Lyst per day (everyday) with MR-400 your savings will be ~40 PED / year, compared to MR-100
Here we have 25% better, caused to 50 PED eco / year + addition for rare item ;)

If you refine 1000 PED/day, your savings will be 100 PED / year

T-105 price is TT+250 (+300). For adj. it may be TT+(500-700).
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Okay. In some 5-7 years then. Badass.

T-105 price is formed by rarity of it, not by functionality and economical reason.

I don't want to "ruin price", or something like that - I just hope to see at least ONCE some real, wise calcs.

Really, it's just damn funny.
 
dr3w said:
T-105 price is formed by rarity of it, not by functionality and economical reason.
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Last summer the price for T-105 was TT+150 ;)
 
RobBuona said:
Oh, you mean that period of time when ores had no markup? :)
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Yea but you mean that the price for T-105 determined only by the price for Dunkel Plastics, not ore MU? ;)
 
Gewitter said:
Yea but you mean that the price for T-105 determined only by the price for Dunkel Plastics, not ore MU? ;)
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No. Improved excavator, for example, was sold once for 5k+, once for 12k+. It's another, similar example.
 
BP for T-105 isn't rare, i can produce it, but...not in one click (maybe) :)

Another case is Imp. Excavator, it looted, have best eco ingame, i paid for mine IE TT+9K
I calculated that they MU returns in 10-12 years... with my activity
 
Gewitter said:
Yea but you mean that the price for T-105 determined only by the price for Dunkel Plastics, not ore MU? ;)
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When ore/enmatter MU is low, that means fewer people mine. When fewer people mine, fewer people want a good refiner, so the price goes down. These things are so seldom (if ever) crafted that Dunkel doesn't have much to do with it.
 
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Gewitter said:
Its easy.
If you refine 100 PED Lyst per day (everyday) with MR-400 your savings will be ~40 PED / year, compared to MR-100
Here we have 25% better, caused to 50 PED eco / year + addition for rare item ;)

If you refine 1000 PED/day, your savings will be up to 100 PED / year, compared to MR-400/T-105

T-105 price is TT+250 (+300). For adj. it may be TT+(500-700).

Added:
Falagor, you must divide to 10 more...
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Ah right 1mil refined = 80ped saved.
So 10 mil refined = 800ped saved ;)

Falagor
:bandit:
 
Gewitter said:
BP for T-105 isn't rare, i can produce it, but...not in one click (maybe) :)

Another case is Imp. Excavator, it looted, have best eco ingame, i paid for mine IE TT+9K
I calculated that they MU returns in 10-12 years... with my activity
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Good buy. Well, ok. It seems at this point I really should STFU.
 
ok, ok, IMAO the base price of Adj. Refiner may be not much more, than for MR-400/T-105.
I will NOT pay for word "Adjusted", i will pay for eco...
 
Gewitter said:
ok, ok, IMAO the base price of Adj. Refiner may be not much more, than for MR-400/T-105.
I will NOT pay for word "Adjusted", i will pay for eco...
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When i was runing with adj exc, adj embra, adj fap and adj pixie i would gladly then pay even +1K for someting echich could made me 100% adjusted...
 
100% Adjusted, lol
I cannot be 100% Adjusted, because have Imp. Excavator...
 
100% adjustet is the same like 100% stupid :yup:

better buy everything in the same colour :laugh:
 
Falagor said:
So 10 mil refined = 800ped saved ;)
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As you see, 10 mil = 100k PED turnover
800 / 100k = 0,8% from full MU :laugh:

Now you can compare it with your periodically 30% losses :laugh:
 
hehe funny discussion on going i see :p

I think this tool is aimed for pro (foma/hell) miners with lots of big claims daily AND for the sleeping traders at twin who calcs at PEC lvl ...
 
so from doing some Test thanks to animal!!

100,000 units of enmater will decay 7.5ped adjusted refiner
100,000 units of enmater will decay 10.5ped t105

10,000 units of ore will decay .49pec adjusted
10,000 units of ore will decay .69pec t105

it is 1.4 x better in saving then the t105

10,000,000 units of enmater alone would pay the value of this refiner...
20,000,000 units of ore alone would pay the value of this refiner...

i valued this refiner around 700pedish
 
Strash said:
so from doing some Test thanks to animal!!

100,000 units of enmater will decay 7.5ped adjusted refiner
100,000 units of enmater will decay 10.5ped t105

10,000 units of ore will decay .49pec adjusted
10,000 units of ore will decay .69pec t105

it is 1.4 x better in saving then the t105

10,000,000 units of enmater alone would pay the value of this refiner...
20,000,000 units of ore alone would pay the value of this refiner...

i valued this refiner around 700pedish
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I am curious why you would value it at 700pedish and not 1.4xthe value of the t-105?Rarity?
Based on the values above id only give it 350-400ped.
 
Everything has a timer factor to it....

i believe refining 10/20mill units would be around a year or so

i measure value by how much time is saved and money during the time spent.... in a overall sense
 
TheRock said:
Thanks Falagor.

Yes, I used 15 fruits till it got fully TT (24.00) after refining 3 belk stones.

Info about the refiner...
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Hmm from that description, i guess we'll be seeing a Rictor scale next so we can weigh what we refine with our Rictor refiner.... ba-dum-tshhh

Interesting to see a new refiner. I find it really odd it's yet another enmatter/ore refiner and there's still just one for tailoring mats.
 
Doer said:
Interesting to see a new refiner. I find it really odd it's yet another enmatter/ore refiner and there's still just one for tailoring mats.
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What if i told you you can use any refiner for all the materials, including hides/wools/skins?
 
Futurama said:
What if i told you you can use any refiner for all the materials, including hides/wools/skins?
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Ha ha then i would say that, if you're not pulling my leg, i've been carrying around one extra refiner since the consolidation of enmatter and ore refiners. I thought i checked that the tailoring stuff didn't fit into the consolidated refiner, but i guess not. Doer's guilty of making an assumption. :ahh:

:lolup:

The good news is that it means i can save a lot refining my wool and hide now. :cool:
 
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