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Petition: Restore old mining loot system

Divinity said:
The ones that complain of the new system however, dont stop mining by the way. They just complain how its boring but no one seems to stop mining. However in the earlier system , due to losses people had to stop. Bottom line is, do u think people prefer being bored or being broke :)

Divinity
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I've been "complaining" about the new shit system since I noticed it had changed. I have'nt dropped a probe since mar 9. I know many others who have stopped. So I call bullshit on your statement.:rolleyes:

Considering the amount of money I normally deposit and cycle...and many others deposit and cycle, not being deposited and cycled, you really think that's good for the game??

Some people can't see past the end of their own greedy fucking nose.

Sign me up!
 
Art Jennifer said:
I agree.

100%+ returns in mining on the old system was relatively simple. Now it is doable, but would not be worth it due to time put in.

I agree MA need to think of the majority, to which they are doing now Yes..... But they are only thinking short term and not long term, long term it won't hold up. All I can say is mark my words :)

P.s.
- I think there are more people achieving 100%+ returns than we all think there are.
- I know off two people who have not deposited/claim they have not for a year, and I believe them. Everything they say matchs up.
- I also reckon I know of 1 maybe 2 others that are profiting on returns
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I donno how many are to be honest but wouldnt be more then a handful. MU is where most make there peds in mining from what i believe.

As for the long term effect, I guess MA is monitoring the effects of changes and will adjust things accordingly.



Steve_saber said:
I've been "complaining" about the new shit system since I noticed it had changed. I have'nt dropped a probe since mar 9. I know many others who have stopped. So I call bullshit on your statement.:rolleyes:

Considering the amount of money I normally deposit and cycle...and many others deposit and cycle, not being deposited and cycled, you really think that's good for the game??

Some people can't see past the end of their own greedy fucking nose.

Sign me up!
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LOL , just LOL.


dr3w said:
You can't afford it, sorry.
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Well yeah not the belonged by "eve" one at least. There's gotta be a huge premium to that
 
Divinity said:
Well yeah not the belonged by "eve" one at least. There's gotta be a huge premium to that
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You know, there is no price, that's all. You will not believe - but yes, there is something that you can't buy. Simple.

And thanks for spoiling.
 
dr3w said:
You see ROBIN GRIPPER PLANET mining? He didn't complained, he just stopped. Cynically saying - he was worth way more economy-wide, than tens of ecofags.
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Everybody complains, even Robin, may it not be on pcf, he took a break cause he knows its not worth to mine atm with amps.
 
Art Jennifer said:
Yes this system MAY hold people longer, but long term people will stop mining, this can be backed up by the evidence found on entropia life, which is not 100% accurate, but shows a general picture of the falling in mining globals/mining overall

Thanks.
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You can't compare the amount of globals before and after because it is much harder to get a global now... If you want to gamble, craft.
 
Divinity said:
The ones that complain of the new system however, dont stop mining by the way. They just complain how its boring but no one seems to stop mining.
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Maybe not stopped all together but drastically lowered. MA will notice that change significantly over time.
 
Hijacker27 said:
You can't compare the amount of globals before and after because it is much harder to get a global now... If you want to gamble, craft.
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That's the problem, MA releases a VU, ppl drop bombs as usual, amped ect. yet global rate is reduced, now you see the flaw? What changed that made it harder to global and close to impossible to tower.
 
Hijacker27 said:
You can't compare the amount of globals before and after because it is much harder to get a global now... If you want to gamble, craft.
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As said this is true, but you can gain an indication.
 
S4400Salvation said:
Maybe not stopped all together but drastically lowered. MA will notice that change significantly over time.
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Either activity is down, or it's the same/up and markup is down (like drew says), can't have it both ways.

Personally, I think either you have selfish desires (drew) or are (former) slaves to a variable interval reward system. It's sad really, I feel the same way about some of you as I do about people mindlessly pulling levers in casino's.
 
Xen said:
Either activity is down, or it's the same/up and markup is down (like drew says), can't have it both ways.

Personally, I think either you have selfish desires (drew) or are (former) slaves to a variable interval reward system. It's sad really, I feel the same way about some of you as I do about people mindlessly pulling levers in casino's.
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So simply put in your words ppl using amp consider this as a Casino? It's about being fortunate enough to find a claim and then up to every person for himself to go amped or not, ppl hunting big mobs are they considered gamblers too?
Since you don't go amped you wouldn't have really noticed the changes.
 
You can put my name on the list.

But i think it is now impossible to get back to the old system.

And if MA did this, there was a reason :censored:

Maybe in 2 or 3 months, markup ressources will raise..:dunce:
 
S4400Salvation said:
So simply put in your words ppl using amp consider this as a Casino? It's about being fortunate enough to find a claim and then up to every person for himself to go amped or not, ppl hunting big mobs are they considered gamblers too?
Since you don't go amped you wouldn't have really noticed the changes.
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I've used plenty of amps over the past [however many years they've existed]. Whether I use amps or not depends on what I'm looking for. :) I'm not very active atm due to being busy irl and game fatigue, but I've mined enough to know that I much prefer the new system. It's all about tt return (and markup ofc) for me. 60% tt returns are very discouraging, and I have a decent bankroll (not big but decent), I can only imagine how much it sucks with a lower bankroll. Highly variable returns can make new players quit very quickly, so not only is it a personal preference, I believe it is better for the game this way.

And yes, some people (including you?) have explicitly said they like it to be like gambling. Heck, it's not even like casino sometimes, the variability in casino's is lower than the mining in this game used to be.
 
Xen, I hate to be the one to break it to you....but gambling for pennies or dollar's...it's still gambling. ;)
 
Xen said:
I've used plenty of amps over the past [however many years they've existed]. Whether I use amps or not depends on what I'm looking for. :) I'm not very active atm due to being busy irl and game fatigue, but I've mined enough to know that I much prefer the new system. It's all about tt return (and markup ofc) for me. 60% tt returns are very discouraging, and I have a decent bankroll (not big but decent), I can only imagine how much it sucks with a lower bankroll. Highly variable returns can make new players quit very quickly, so not only is it a personal preference, I believe it is better for the game this way.

And yes, some people (including you?) have explicitly said they like it to be like gambling. Heck, it's not even like casino sometimes, the variability in casino's is lower than the mining in this game used to be.
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Thing is new player won't notice the difference cause they didn't go through it all, like you said it's all about tt return, the return does not compensate nearly to what has been going in. And the only reason why i would say this is a Casino is to underline the house always wins for certain playstyles.
 
No.........
 
Steve_saber said:
Xen, I hate to be the one to break it to you....but gambling for pennies or dollar's...it's still gambling. ;)
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It's not gambling if the tt return is fairly consistent and unlike a casino there is markup on the "chips". In a casino you must just be looking for the big hit because everyone knows (without it) in the long run you will lose money.
 
Xen said:
Either activity is down, or it's the same/up and markup is down (like drew says), can't have it both ways.
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Surprise! It's both ways. Since you (see pic above) see what you see.

Why less amps consumption - there is no need to explain, I think?

Less amps consumption --> less ores/enmatts demand --> less MU for resources --> should be cheaper amps? Fuck no. (smile.jpg) CoS in craft was changed, amps can't be cheaper than residue, yay - what residue is now at? Oops.

Xen said:
Personally, I think either you have selfish desires (drew) or are (former) slaves to a variable interval reward system. It's sad really, I feel the same way about some of you as I do about people mindlessly pulling levers in casino's.
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Selfish desires, former slaves... of "variable interval reward system".

So, again you drawing some "picture" (see above) and feeling something about it? Well, let it be true then, it's seems really suits you, - you drawing your world.

Lootifer loves you anyway.
 
Steve_saber said:
Xen, I hate to be the one to break it to you....but gambling for pennies or dollar's...it's still gambling. ;)
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Stop this please! We now know perfectly:

60% - 140% returns: GAMBLING
80% - 110% returns: NOT GAMBLING

And please, follow the Vision of Community further.
 
dr3w said:
Lootifer loves you anyway.
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Lootifer don't love me. 250 hp natural hunting and no hunting loot over 3.7k...

I'm drawing conclusions based on what you have posted. It seems you think that more steady tt returns will make it too easy for "noobs" without bankrolls to endure much "dynamic", who will flood the market and drive markup down. And it seems you just like to get lots of globals and don't mind large fluctuations in return because you have the bankroll to endure it (and unl amp helps ped wise). You just seem to have an elitist attitude towards the issue and other people.
 
A Big Vote for old system ,

Now i cant even bother to logg mostly , I feel its not worth mining getting the 90% back and a paid by myself global now and then , why bother . I DID FINE BEFORE NOW ITS JUST PLAIN BORING .


I logg in and have a look at my clds and then go back to RL


btw, last run i did had a hitrate of less then 10 % , havent tried since .
 
the new system completely ruined the game for me. I no longer have fun doing anything, and am very close to quitting for good. I used to drop 10-20 lvl 7-8 amps a day, occasionally lvl 10-13s, now... none except for a random amp here and there. I was usually a top 100 miner, now not even top 1000.

It is not only the change in claim size and returns, but the simultaneous redistribution of resources to other planets, and the loot changes to crafting (which resulted in lower MU on most mining resources) that killed it.

Since the change I have leveled a char up to 45 in SWTOR, and looked into starting to play other MMORPGS. Maybe Aion next since SWTOR is getting old now too.

Please change it back!
 
I dont want exactly the old system back, nor the new system. The solution is simple and largely coded already (in the crafting system): Give miners a slider like crafters do between quantity and condition - you get more "finds" with quantity and bigger globals with condition. Simples.
 
Xen said:
Lootifer don't love me. 250 hp natural hunting and no hunting loot over 3.7k...
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Lootifer loves everybody, you just need to love him too.

Xen said:
I'm drawing conclusions based on what you have posted. It seems you think that more steady tt returns will make it too easy for "noobs" without bankrolls to endure much "dynamic", who will flood the market and drive markup down. And it seems you just like to get lots of globals and don't mind large fluctuations in return because you have the bankroll to endure it (and unl amp helps ped wise).
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Again thanks to Dear Divinity, now this fucking amp will be in each argument. Of course, ava was created with it. And "bankroll" is from my grandma's "graveyard money". And when I login daily - I getting small ingot of ruga with small heart sign and "L" next to it.

If I am so invincible and addicted to lots of globals - why I am not in HELL 24/7/365? (It's question for your homework, meditate, please)

About killed MU down - strange, I perfectly described current situation above. Where is those "noobs"?

Xen said:
You just seem to have an elitist attitude towards the issue and other people.
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It wasn't me, it's our system!

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dr3w, I would guess you don't mine Hell a lot because you seem to go after markup (easy to see what you are selling).

Admit it, you like lots of globals! You are entitled to your own preference, I just don't think it's good for a lot of miners.

And I didn't say anything about your amp other than it makes it easier to endure bad runs because you aren't also losing markup on the amps.
 
I am really liking the quality/condition slider idea for mining
 
Old system back

chillbanan swedish monkeyboy
 
Old system back.

Johnson Theragra Knewb

I rarely mine now because of how mundane it's become.
 
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