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TIme for a poll: Known Issue: Spaceship Summoning

What should happen to those who used the summon into spaceship illegal

  • Nothing

    Votes: 19 7.7%

  • Warning

    Votes: 11 4.5%

  • Temp ban

    Votes: 47 19.0%

  • Perm ban

    Votes: 170 68.8%
  • Total voters
    247
I want them to at least reverse all looted items, remove the privateer from game, and ban all parties involved for at least a month.

Otherwise, perma ban them and auction off items to pay compensation to all people looted by these idiots.
 
PaulCrystal said:
Let the witchhunt begin.
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You can call it a witch hunt or you can call their act the same as those sending emails from Nigeria asking you to send money to get money or any other kind of scam.
 
PaulCrystal said:
Let the witchhunt begin.
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Dont even need a witch hunt Paul!
Just ban everyone that has ever been in space. :laugh:

But seriously... ban them all (and the IP address)
 
Easy answer:
The person(s) doing the actual summoning: perm ban
The person(s) shooting/looting: warning or temp ban accordingly
 
Lorthis said:
Easy answer:
The person(s) doing the actual summoning: perm ban
The person(s) shooting/looting: warning or temp ban accordingly
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If MA can see that all of the above are involved for the whole happening, from
summoning to kill, I guess they should all have same punishment, whatever
that will be...
 
Lorthis said:
Easy answer:
The person(s) doing the actual summoning: perm ban
The person(s) shooting/looting: warning or temp ban accordingly
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It has to be the same punishment for all
The guy that robs the bank and the one that drives the getaway car.

All involved in a scam or robbery, deserve punishment
 
Well this bad data already, they should not have a perm ban, thats stupid.

Warning or temp ban yes.
 
Art Jennifer said:
Well this bad data already, they should not have a perm ban, thats stupid.

Warning or temp ban yes.
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Not stupid at all they all knew what they were doing from the moment that first summon went out .
They knew they were exploiting all of the following:

1.The summon function on the ship
2.The fact that new players would be suckered in
3.The fact that the box pops up in the middle of the screen and some players would click it by mistake
4.The fact the MA were on vacation and therefore would not be able to do anything about it until they returned.

Permanent ban for all envolved + block the IP address and if MA have it the MAC address of their network cards.
EU DOES NOT NEED PLAYERS LIKE THIS

note: I have nothing against pirates that play the game properly and dont exploit, are there any of you about who would like to stand up for yourselves and codemn the actions of your "aquaintances" so you dont all get tarred with the same brush?
 
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I am sorry but this already has costed MA in terms of repute and a few new players leaving game because of the issue.

I am myself really uncomfortable with the way MA is treating the issue and the last time i felt like this i withdrew most of my peds ingame and went for a small vaccation from EU. Not that it matters to them but every drop makes an ocean and if they have not learnt that yet well so be it.

The right thing for them to do is reverse the transactions or compensate those who have lost a lot of peds because of this. A temp ban to the wrong doers is fine but thats secondary. First the people who lost need to be compensated.

The reason i put my money here is cause i have faith and it is inaction like this that takes hope away.
 
No witch-hunt, simply cause and effect.

Anything MA will do now (or not do), will have consequences.
The 2nd case will bring different consequences.

Just let that jinny out of the bottle for now, and see how much fun it is later trying to put it back in. :laugh:
 
3 voters for nothing on the poll thats 1 owner of MS and 2 shooters...:)
 
Using any exploit to gain an advantage in lootable pvp is theft, plain and simple - the community doesn't need people like this.

Perm bans for all involved in this, and for anyone in future who use any kind of exploit in lootable pvp, no matter how minor.
 
qamori said:
But seriously... ban them all (and the IP address)
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I said it before and say it again, it is of no use to ban IP-Adresses. Just reconnect the router/modem and get a new one. Do that a couple of thousand times and block a whole provider's ip-range for the game ? Brilliant idea.
 
Jennson said:
I said it before and say it again, it is of no use to ban IP-Adresses. Just reconnect the router/modem and get a new one. Do that a couple of thousand times and block a whole provider's ip-range for the game ? Brilliant idea.
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Not everyone has dynamic IP addreses. However the MAC address is not dynamic ;)
 
Jennson said:
I said it before and say it again, it is of no use to ban IP-Adresses. Just reconnect the router/modem and get a new one. Do that a couple of thousand times and block a whole provider's ip-range for the game ? Brilliant idea.
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Yes, IP-Addresses are not a reliable identification - still I bet some pirates will have similar IP's, seeing that many live in the same shanty town somewhere NEE Europe....

About rebooting your router, did you try lately to get a new address? For several years now, does not work for me anymore - ISP has enough addresses to keep the same "dynamic" one for me for a long, long time. The people taking note of my porn watching habits don't like to get confused or do a lot of work...
 
Tepes said:
Yes, IP-Addresses are not a reliable identification - still I bet some pirates will have similar IP's, seeing that many live in the same shanty town somewhere NEE Europe....

About rebooting your router, did you try lately to get a new address? For several years now, does not work for me anymore - ISP has enough addresses to keep the same "dynamic" one for me for a long, long time. The people taking note of my porn watching habits don't like to get confused or do a lot of work...
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Rebooting my computer won'T work, but when i switch my router off and on again i get a new ip. When i click reconnect on the router's http interface i get a new ip in 9 of 10 cases. ( Tested a couple of weeks ago )
 
Nothing. Return the looted stackables or compensate, and fix the system. After all, people who have been looted have pressed "Yes", even as they have been warned.
 
SoReal said:
Not everyone has dynamic IP addreses. However the MAC address is not dynamic ;)
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That would be a more reliable approach, but i would be needed to be coded into the game client and then you might as well create a unique identification string for each machine where the client is installed, but anytime a user uses a differnet machine you will have again a mismatch between these.

In short: There is no safe way to prohibit someone to create another account, just you can make it harder for someone. Anyway i personally think in such cases where considerable amount of assets are in that particular account ( At least 1 Mothership ) it would be sufficient just to ban the account ( maybe permanently ) as i think it will already have the desired effect of prohibiting anyone trying to use the same exploit again.
 
I just can't decide, if temp ban or perm ban is the right thing to do.

Morally, temp ban seems too mild.
Legally, on the other hand... If you look at the EULA and actual laws, the rules are more than a little fluffy, and we all know MAs communication skills aren't exactly brilliant.

I mean... Which part of the EULA is it that they have breached? Harrasment, when sending 20 summons requests? Yes maybe. But that doesn't qualify for a perm ban.
Exploit? Hmm... It's not an exploit of a BUG.
I suppose it's still an exploit. But more like 'unintended use of a feature'. Much like VTol hunting, which took MA nearly a year to decide was illegal. And until then we didn't really have any way to know for sure. And like trapping which took MA what.. 4 years to do something about?


Maybe MA can confiscate their profit from this 'exploit', but that might not be simple at all to calculate. And if MA doesn't have 100% legal certainty, MA risks getting sued.
(All the mumbo-jumbo in the EULA that we have no rights what-so-ever, doesn't hold up in the swedish court, because this is real people and their real money we are talking about)

So... As much as I agree morally with the majority of posters who want to see their head roll (well almost), it's just not that simple for MA.


Still, they were intentionally preying on other people mistakes or lacking knowledge of the consequences, for their own profit. Surely a harsh punishment is in order.

Conclusion: I still can't decide between temp or perm ban. :scratch2:
 
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Pyhä Antero said:
Nothing. Return the looted stackables or compensate, and fix the system. After all, people who have been looted have pressed "Yes", even as they have been warned.
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There is no countdown before the "yes" button can be pressed. Anyone who was about to click something where all of a sudden the summon accept button appeared out of the blue did not get any warning whatsoever.
 
Luckycharm said:
There is no countdown before the "yes" button can be pressed. Anyone who was about to click something where all of a sudden the summon accept button appeared out of the blue did not get any warning whatsoever.
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Absolutely right


Everyone keeps taling about the EULA so here's a few nuggets from the ToU in the Client Loader:

8c. You cannot interfere with any other Participants ability to use and enjoy the Entropia Universe.

8f. You may not use the Entropia Universe, including the Entropia Universe System, the Entropia Universe website or Forum to commit, attempt to commit, support or communicate about any illegal activity and/or infringe any local, national or international laws or regulation intentionally or unintentionally, including without limitation, copyright, trademark or other proprietary right infringement, invasion of privacy, fraud, contrabands, narcotics, defamation, harassment, hacking or other cyber-crime.

8g. You may not use the Entropia Universe to engage in any misleading or deceptive activity.

8j. You must immediately report errors and bugs in the Entropia Universe to MindArk whenever You discover them. You may not “cheat” or otherwise neglect to report errors or bugs, use bugs, slow connection, Internet latency, or other 'exploits' for own benefits or for the benefit of others.

Seems pretty clear to me, perma ban
 
PaulCrystal said:
Let the witchhunt begin.
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Witchhunts is when for a doubtfully and hard to prove concept somebody is persecuted unfairly.


It is very easy to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that they knew that it was an abuse
(they aren't braindead).


I say permanent ban to the summoner and all his "money laundry" accounts
Permanent ban to those pirates that acted in obvious disrespect of game fairness,

and temp ban
(some months just to prove the point that exploitation of ingame features and not reporting like a fair player ought to)
to the pirates that went there because they were curious and knew part of the details about it but soon realized that it has too good to be true and left (I doubt that a single one did such thing).


In resume,
permanent ban to them all.
 
So - if MA is not doing the right thing in this matter (whatever the right thing is), will that be a green light to all to do whatever they want to do as long as it is not MA that is loosing money?
 
It is easy to mistakenly click the wrong button when summoned. It is a feature that needs addressing in a few ways;
Firstly the Summon function should appear in top corner of screen so if in middle of hunting you dont accidently click it.
Secondly the owner of privateer or MS should have option to summon all or just selected passengers.
Thirdly the name of the ships owner should be displayed when summoning, will check this may already be there
Fourthly an extra box should appear to warn player to accept only if they know and trust the summoner
Alternatively, remove summon all together and allow players to TP from surface directly to the ship they have on their TP list
 
Even if we vote on this poll, this isn't something we can decide. I wish there was another option that suited this answer.

EDIT: It should cost a bit for the summoner to summon the passanger, but how to do that I am not sure.
 
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Luckycharm said:
There is no countdown before the "yes" button can be pressed. Anyone who was about to click something where all of a sudden the summon accept button appeared out of the blue did not get any warning whatsoever.
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I know, I have clicked mistakenly. Still, the spaceship has been at safe zone. They have had time to log off or take their names off from the guestlist and teleport down or teleport to space station.
 
Luckycharm said:
There is no countdown before the "yes" button can be pressed. Anyone who was about to click something where all of a sudden the summon accept button appeared out of the blue did not get any warning whatsoever.
Pyhä Antero said:
I know, I have clicked mistakenly. Still, the spaceship has been at safe zone. They have had time to log off or take their names off from the guestlist and teleport down or teleport to space station.
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Ah, so there's no exploit because the victims were stupid, unlucky or slow, or all if it? They simply had it coming. That'll teach them! Right?

I see it all clearly now. Stupid people don't deserve justice. Same for the unlucky or naive trusting people.
:(
 
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