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Below some important facts to keep in mind concerning loot. I made it a reference list, because this is easier than repeating myself every odd months.
I make this thread so I refer to its subsequent rules without having to retype them every time.
This rules are not exhaustive and I will add more as time goes by.

1. If your modus operandi does not work with a 20DPS setup; it will not work with a 120DPS setup either.
1a The (seamingly) higher markup from bigger mobs will be offset by higher decay of armor/fap in the end
1b Don't do what someone else is doing, even if you think he is succesfull.
1c Don't do what everyone is doing; everyone loses; you want to be the exception
1d It is possible to win from the house; the house just takes more from the others instead. Few have found out and most of them realized 6b

2. There is no personal lootpool. If you have shitty loot yesterday you lost; don't assume that loot will be extra today because of it
2a The same applies for good loot
example: if you rolled 100 ones in a row with dices; you still have 1/6 chance to role a 1 next time.


3. Eco matters and is not only dependent on ubergear:
3a killing 300HP mobs with a IMKII without a finisher diminishes it's eco with 11% on average; making it less eco than most guns on which a finisher is used
3b what you pay to the LA owner; you pay to a LA owner. (official MA reply)
3c even a mod fap is less eco than not being hit in the first place
3d It is more eco to max amp (a10x) a smaller gun and hunt a smaller mob than hunt a bigger one partly amped
3e there are formulas out there that include MU in eco cost of weapons; learn and use them.

4. Mark-up does not mean big mobs. The more mobs you kill the more loot averages out and the more chance of looting something rare.
4a kill 10 5k HP mobs is a gamble; killing 200 250hp mobs is a hunting session.
4b puny creates have a higher avg MU (bone samples) than ESI dropping mobs. (100ped MU bones in a 1000ped hunt; at 1pec/bone)
4c Highest MU% stackables include molisk tooth, foul bones, blazars,... all of those can be hunted before unlocking MMS
4d big mobs drop big L guns that go for 103%; mid level mobs drop mid level guns that go 125%; low level mobs drop guns that go 130%
4e On average it costs much more to loot an UL item than it costs to buy it
4f the biggest MU mob mines pyrite in PVP4; the second biggest mob is the mob that hunts that mob.
4g Some people pay to be able to pay more in MU to be able to lose peds faster (tiering and enhancers)


5. trends: the past is in the past; if it weren't the universe would explode
5a some whine that they didn't buy xxx when it was cheap; I find it sad that I didn't buy MS stock when they first released...
5b Crafted stuff will go down in price over time till the cost is bearably more than the minimum (not average!) cost to produce it.
5c Some things are expensive because some ppl have found a way to profit with those items; don't expect you to do the same; the key is in knowledge, not in the gear
5d it isn't unfair, it's called capitalism; it's like Darwinism. Letting the weak prosper would be unfair against nature.

6. bursting bubbles
6a first admit you will lose money; since the house needs to win.
6b Want to make 30$ for a 12h working day? That is what the legendary top hunter made. He wished he learned a trade instead nowadays...
6c EU might not be a casino officially, but you sure as heck should come to ease that it is. Now where are those free cocktails?
6d The time it takes to gain back the MU in form of decay of a ModFap will be a small fraction of the peds you lost hunting.

7. What to do: have fun, don't whine and if you lose you only have yourself to blame for. If you come whine here, you are basically saying that you are a loser and a failure. (Unless you whine about real bugs)
7a If you don't like a hamburger at a particular hamburger joint; are you going to come back and whine or just go to another place next time?
7b being relaxed and joyful while playing will increase loot slightly, and if not, you paid for a good time
7c be nice and friendly and doors will open where you thought their where none. Be greedy and hatefull and break your nose on the ones shutting before you.
7d towards newbies, be generous with information, be scarce with giving them stuff.


8. Loot's a bitch and its deity is called D'Loothea; she gives and she takes.
Now this is not really relevant at all; but I find it a nice end to this post that contains too much wisdom already.
 
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Ohh, and to the ones that still ask the question if it is possible to profit

Well you could ask a cyperpunk, a phamtom of the past how to be a star and spawn the profits; but to come here (to this or any other forum) is the wrong place for an answer.

Have fun :wtg:
 
I like this post :)
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I'd rephrase 3d along the lines of "full amp is better than partial amp, partial amp is better than no amp". If you have full storage of non-full B101 (L) (many people do), you can put them on any laser weapon if you haven't got anything better.

As for 4c, average MU in molisk is crap regardless of what % the teeth. Same goes for foul (which drops very few bones these days anyway). Blazar drop from a puny is however often worth more than normal loot.

Numbering is broken in 4. :silly2:

Suggested 5e:
Economics is a science of efficiency, not of fairness. Anyone who says "fair price" is quite likely to try to sell you something overpriced.
 
Number 8: Heretic! Every knows there is only Lootius!
 
edit - well i strongly agree with about 50% and strongly disagree with or just plain dont like the other 50% but ill just leave it at that :) good post
 
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I wholeheartedly agree.

This should be a required reading for newbs.
 
Most of the things you say are Ok, but please don't make assumptions about things you have not experienced yourself yet as hunting high level mobs vs low level mobs, or using high dps guns vs low dps guns.
Even if markup on big mobs is 105% the fact that turnover is much higher than on small mobs allow you get more markup than hunting small mobs with bigger mark.
100 ped loot with 130%markup=30ped +
1000 ped loot with 105%markup=50 ped+

Overall, good post!
 
Good post.

+repped.

:)
 
Rule number before 1: This is not a game !
 
Awesome post!!! Pretty much describes most of my opinions :p But I don't play eco so I don't whine about loot..
 
(3b) doesn't really matter because of (2) - since nobody owes you anything, it doesn't matter where - to MA or LA - your extra expenses go.
 
As there's not a single mention of spirals or 8's, I feel very offended. But oh Lootius forgive them, they don't know what they're talking about.
 
Arco im wery surprised that shitstorm didnt started yet.
You fortgot one basic thing.
This forum is for "EU fans" where truth is not always tolerated and cud be named as "whinig" and in this angle of wiev your entire post cud be feelt as constructive whining specialy in times when comunity suffers from lack of constructive explanatiions and comunications from MA.
 
Iiiii like this post and can not lie. You other players can deny. When a post comes and shakes it all aboot, you get sprung!! :wtg: :whistle: ;)
 
+Rep I really like this post, and I agree with a lot of what he said.
 
Sweet :wtg: and ++rep
 
Good post. Subscribing.
 
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