ATH´s

Mega said:

Removal of the majority of the "no loots" reduced the big HOF's / ATH's


Do you want the NL's back?

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still got those, and the bullshit fragments (or is it blazar wtv), so basically they just stole the good loots

Fanan said:

As I said yesterday on a post about loot cap, even if you didn't catch any of those big loots before we know that we could have a chance to get a uber loot.

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Wouldn't a serious player be as happy in receiving something like a modfap, a mod merc, a set of PoE armor, a repairable mining amp or a rare Blueprint rather than an ATH in TT-food? Or something like repairable quad with repairable thruster?

I just know I would be happy looting something like wormhole chip...

Clearly MA needs to find a better balance between mega HoFs and average returns.

The current system doesn't work for me, the last system didn't work for me. The 2005/2006 system I was pretty happy with but we probably can't have that again.

Something has to be done because right now, both the average returns and the chances of a big hof are complete shit.

Maybe items are the answer... There are things besides weapons that MA could introduce too. How much did that stupid UFO (L) just sell for?

What about taming and mob armors? Bringing in looted mob armor parts would give us a shit load of stuff to loot. I can't wait to see an Araneatrox Stalker wearing Supremacy controlled by a player running around terrorizing all of Calypso.

aia said:

Wouldn't a serious player be as happy in receiving something like a modfap, a mod merc, a set of PoE armor, a repairable mining amp or a rare Blueprint rather than an ATH in TT-food? Or something like repairable quad with repairable thruster?

I just know I would be happy looting something like wormhole chip...

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It's not about the kind of uberloot what bothers most people. It's the absence of any uberloot. When it's a fact that uberloots don't drop anymore on mobs that average depositors are hunting they WILL question themselves eventually what's the use anymore of playing it.

People will gladly pay for a chance to triple their investment, but not to break-even. That's just like going to a casino with a goal to break-even. Better stay home than.

Ainu said:

People will gladly pay for a chance to triple their investment, but not to break-even. That's just like going to a casino with a goal to break-even. Better stay home than.

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Dropping mining probes with the intent of "tripling your investments" through ATHs is gambling, not playing, imho. (And certainly not "investing").

A sane person would realize, MA doesn't pay back more in loots than they get in, so any "investment plan" that's counting on triple returns is failed by design. And, if a Group of poeople for a long time manage to get triple returns (in TT value) (by (ab)using broken mining amps, mining area bugs, timing server reset times etc), it means that the Three out of four other players would lose Everything they got in the long run.

There has been two times I've hoped for an ATH:
During event Before space launch, where spaceships were awarded to the people with the highest loots.
And when someone had posted the 4 top VIII oldshcool mindforce chips in auction.

I blame the introduction of land deeds. I noticed the difference after. Ppl thinking they dont have to depo anymore and live off cld's. Hofs arent what they used to be loot isnt the same for all categories. I used to have fun playing but i think it isnt as fun anymore.

aia said:

Dropping mining probes with the intent of "tripling your investments" through ATHs is gambling, not playing, imho. (And certainly not "investing").

A sane person would realize, MA doesn't pay back more in loots than they get in, so any "investment plan" that's counting on triple returns is failed by design. And, if a Group of poeople for a long time manage to get triple returns (in TT value) (by (ab)using broken mining amps, mining area bugs, timing server reset times etc), it means that the Three out of four other players would lose Everything they got in the long run.

There has been two times I've hoped for an ATH:
During event Before space launch, where spaceships were awarded to the people with the highest loots.
And when someone had posted the 4 top VIII oldshcool mindforce chips in auction.

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I still remember what my final hook was, when I went to Ithaca hunting atrox and came back with more than 600ped in loot from a 200ped ammo run! Of course that was not the only thing! The sci-fi theme, the surroundings, the mature community, the hard skilling ramp, the all complexity of the game (wanting to know more) and the challenge of keep your ped card healthy so that you can keep going.

You saying then that you want constant 90% tt returns and even when you loss for years on end you never wanted to get one ATH? That's really weird. If I can loss tones on money I like to be able to get them back when I last expect. Otherwise why bother to loss money on a video game every day?

Then I would be playing something else with sci-fi theme where you don't won money but you also don't invest it!


PS: Best items I got in 6 years of playing still be the large ESIs. Armor maybe a nemesis shin from drone. SGA event spend tones of ped and could only got a just. mk.II from a drone and a opalo from longtooth.

aia said:

Dropping mining probes with the intent of "tripling your investments" through ATHs is gambling, not playing, imho. (And certainly not "investing").

A sane person would realize, MA doesn't pay back more in loots than they get in, so any "investment plan" that's counting on triple returns is failed by design. And, if a Group of poeople for a long time manage to get triple returns (in TT value) (by (ab)using broken mining amps, mining area bugs, timing server reset times etc), it means that the Three out of four other players would lose Everything they got in the long run.

There has been two times I've hoped for an ATH:
During event Before space launch, where spaceships were awarded to the people with the highest loots.
And when someone had posted the 4 top VIII oldshcool mindforce chips in auction.

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You'r right, investing is not the right word because you will loose in the long run. But what i was trying to say is: when i depo 1000 ped there was a chance to make 3000 ped from it. Not easily, but it was possible. Now they changed the loot system where this 'hope' is destroyed.

atomicstorm said:

This is it. Nothing more needs said. 45ks aren't ATHs anymore.

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And right now when you talk about 45k loot came a timely in your LA. it may have been fate, opportunity or planned from MA.

What do you think ....

Ainu said:

when i depo 1000 ped there was a chance to make 3000 ped from it. Not easily, but it was possible.

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In my perspective, I've basically hunted 5 years trying to loot tango, wormhole chip (or VIII firestorm chip), and belieive me, it feels pretty much impossible.

When I was about to unlock Death speak, I got a 20k ped HOF. The collateral needed for the unluck was 35k ped - I managed it by putting pretty much all I had in a bank (I got some help from that the banks at that time offered markup). Even more funny, the 20k HOF wasn't enough to buy a tango (it was like 22k ped at the time, and I thinki it still is around that).

An interesting thing is that besides my two biggest ones, my bigger HOFs came from "sidemobs" - other mobs that happened to be in the area (exosaur, bristlehog), and my first bigger HOF was from a goat I killed on my way to help a miner in a thorio land area I did spend some time in.

(In all those cases, the bulk of the HOFs has been "TT-food"; things like adrenal oil and thyroid oil).

As for the bigger mobs, the kind of mobs that is more likely to ATH, the ubers got upset of that they were too easy to kill for mid-level players so they got rebalanced; dealing more damage (proteron, leviathan). The result is that it's harder for a mid-level player to do an occasional run on a big HP mob and hope for ATH. Another thing is the regen mobs, where I got the feeling, to be successful you should have a good dmg/sec weapon to get a good return or you'll lose big (remembering when Kim pretty much solo:ed a pedpurger with an extremely fast and eco weapon and still got an "average" loot).

HardWrath said:

Clearly MA needs to find a better balance between mega HoFs and average returns.



Something has to be done because right now, both the average returns and the chances of a big hof are complete shit.

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That's where I"m at right now. I've been playing less because I'm "broke" again and fed up with how much I just spent. Then I see another ATH on a mob I was hunting as much as I really could. Avg return is average huge loss, and I've gotten a uber hof 2 times in the what 4 years I"ve been playing - so average is 1 every 2 years?

And about the comment from the person that said whoever goes to the casino to break even should stay home:
I really do go to the casino to hope to break even. I have a lot of fun playing the games. Same thing here. I love playing it - profit is a word I NEVER use and have any intention of seeing or getting such a thing. All I can do is stop my ship from sinking in 2 hours by throwing some buckets of water over the deck......

valentin said:

And right now when you talk about 45k loot came a timely in your LA. it may have been fate, opportunity or planned from MA.

What do you think ....

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I have no idea what Atomicstorm thinks, but I'm pretty sure personally that you've mixed up the Arkadian LA's a bit. ATH was on LA 1, not LA 6

What should I think? I'm confused. It is LA1 with the ATH definitely not mine. I had someone message me yesterday congratulating me... but on what? Lol.

You have to have known a major hof was coming with all that cycling. There were barely if any hofs over 1k.

kasken123 said:

Have they get lost on the way? whats happening are they verry much more rare now then before and more low loots?
its feel the same i still have to keep depo like before but the ath is missing..

Wher is thos daliy 20k troxes?
19k feffs?
12-25k scipps?
40k aurlies?
all thos freaky 102 amps ubers/aths
gone dont exist.
Why?
its no difrent in my depo now and then..

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well less and less ppl play EU = less mobs killed = less ATH and big hofs.

this is simple to demonstrate you remember when they introduced trox whith the hp reg there was like 20 or 30 ppl hunting them thus big hofs droped often.

now if you get 3 in same time to hunt you are Lucky, the multiplier just take longer to buid up they are there just need more time to pop up.

why mulmuns drop so much atm lots of ppl hunt them.

CLD is to blame. 99 % sure.

SEE bought Caly for 6 Million, they then sold of the revenue the planet makes for. 6 million!

Picture that the revenue was the buffer / jackpot u could hit.

Now that buffer is reserved for people who bought a piece of it with "shares".

We now need a second buffer/ jackpot that the system now puts away, so that the crafters, miners, hunters can get a decent return.

Problem is. It takes WAY to long to build up. Due to no new players / growth.

So instead of bad "runs" u now have bad days as the system needs time to build up loot.

But it is what it is. A theory.