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The number of ACTUAL active contributing participants in EU???

We all know Entropia Life tracks all globals and HoF's across ALL planets (as long as enough people are running the client, which there usually is). At first I Thought these figures i'm about to give were based on globals/HoF's over 50 ped, but after watching some small 6-25 ped globals roll past and seeing them register on the site I find my presumption wrong.

I myself am currently number 128 of 3566 based on my number of hunting globals in last 30 days, at first I thought cool i'm almost a top 100 hunter, then I think hang on there has only been 3566 individual avatar's to have a global of 5ped or higher in last 30 days? :scratch2:

Now looking at Mining and Crafting I know these only count over 50 ped as Globals and there is on 1387 individuals globaled on Mining & 1322 individuals globaled on Crafting, which gives a total of 6275 individual participant globals across the professions!

Now take into account that if I have a global in each profession that will make this number even lower to the point you could even divide it by half!!!! :eyecrazy:

I know we have traders, pilots, LA owners and CLD owners but if these guys are not actually spending peds in game they are leaching from the game (I know the invested heavy and this is their gain/return on investment but still leaching).

So how many ACTIVE players do we really have in EU???? Sweaters, noobs, hunters, miners, crafters, people who actually play it as a GAME???? I personally dont think we have over 5k gamers playing in the WHOLE of EU! We have 7 planets some with Moon's, Asteroids (FOMA/HELL) and Space stations (Crystal Palace). 5k avatars spread out across them with atleast 60% (i'd say) staying on Calypso is not impressive figures and not the kind of figures you should be looking to expand the game further with!

Bring back the players before we open MORE planets!
 
Recently there was thread about the active players in EU, but now this is about "ACTUAL active contributing participants in EU". I guess this makes it different. Let's see if people make same calculation as before or come up with new formula for calculating "ACTUAL active contributing participants in EU"
 
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But isn't that just people who hunt out with a team? I am sure there is a huge amount of hunters who are usually always in a team when hunting, and that wouldn't be tracked unless the team is registered right?

Myself for example, I cant remember the last time I hunted whilst not in a team!

(ofc miners/crafters etc stats wouldn't be affected by this).

But yes, I agree, it would be lovely to know how many active participants there are.
 
InDaHouse said:
I know we have traders, pilots, LA owners and CLD owners but if these guys are not actually spending peds in game they are leaching from the game (I know the invested heavy and this is their gain/return on investment but still leaching).
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So, are you hunting on the leachers lands? Better stop doing that? Ever wanted to use a mothership's services? Guess you better stop feeding the leaches.

NO PARTICIPANT IS A LEACH. Those that think along this line of thought are just biggotted leaches themselves who leach this game from it's social potential and just want to be in a big casino imho.... If you don't like the game as it is, why don't you try some online poker sites instead of trying to get globals?

Also, have you ever thought that tracking software is not always 100% accurate...
 
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First of all - how many threads like this already created? Next time use search.

Mindark has said that there are more players joining than previously, and as they are the only ones who could possibly have the information , i think it is smarter to believe them. Mindark is noted on stock market and giving out false information would send some of them behind the bars.

Pilots, LA owners and traders are all spending peds ingame (Pilots as fuel and decay and landing fees, LA owners put fertilizer in the ground and traders spend auction fees). Yes they are taking other players money BUT they are giving it to the mindark (very often they work hard to bring in more players - i have brought atleast 5 guys to this game, with just saying how much i can make from this game, they join but trading is too boring for them, so they have become regular players (4 of them are depositors).



Other than that i agree with you, i think Mindark should set minimum new accounts number for planet partners, if that number of newcomers isnt reached with 12months, the planet is closed down. That would make planet partners to advertise more (lets say 5000 new accounts with first year).

BUT making threads like this "aka sky is falling" is hurting the economy more than small amount of current players - how? For example i always research the game i am about to join, and if i see on some forum that the game is dying already i am not gonna join.
 
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/troll on
i only reached a maximum of 20 people in my stream - this means there are only 20 people interested in entropia
/troll off

Ever thought about the active number of sweating players or low level hunters that might have never globaled before?

There is a high number of that so i assume that you will never see the active playerbase anywhere public - MA would have to release that stuff.
 
InDaHouse said:
I know we have traders, pilots, LA owners and CLD owners but if these guys are not actually spending peds in game they are leaching from the game (I know the invested heavy and this is their gain/return on investment but still leaching).
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traders and pilots are not leeching the game, they are leeching the players. with auc fees or fuel they even spent tt without getting anything of tt value from the loot pool back...
 
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Why do you all go on bashing other participants instead of seeing my point????? The point is that why are we opening MORE and MORE new planets when we don't have enough participants as is?

1. I know some people may never have globaled but with hunting globals tracking from 5+ ped we can see more globals than ever well that was the plan......

2. Yes teams will not be tracked your right.

3. No the tracker is not 100% accurate, but its damn close!

4. People who's only participation in the game is to make peds to withdraw and not "play the game" are leechers IMO, I did put exceptions in place but i'm not gonna sit down and think of EVERY SINGLE EXCEPTION just to please you fan boy flamers!

It's just scary to think the number of TRACKED individual participant globals being so low.
 
whiteknut said:
First of all - how many threads like this already created? Next time use search.

Mindark has said that there are more players joining than previously, and as they are the only ones who could possibly have the information , i think it is smarter to believe them. Mindark is noted on stock market and giving out false information would send some of them behind the bars.

Pilots, LA owners and traders are all spending peds ingame (Pilots as fuel and decay and landing fees, LA owners put fertilizer in the ground and traders spend auction fees). Yes they are taking other players money BUT they are giving it to the mindark (very often they work hard to bring in more players - i have brought atleast 5 guys to this game, with just saying how much i can make from this game, they join but trading is too boring for them, so they have become regular players (4 of them are depositors).



Other than that i agree with you, i think Mindark should set minimum new accounts number for planet partners, if that number of newcomers isnt reached with 12months, the planet is closed down. That would make planet partners to advertise more (lets say 5000 new accounts with first year).

BUT making threads like this "aka sky is falling" is hurting the economy more than small amount of current players - how? For example i always research the game i am about to join, and if i see on some forum that the game is dying already i am not gonna join.
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Well if MA see what you are saying about not wanting to join due to you seeing negative stuff on a forum about the game, then they should do something to stop people posting negative stuff, like help us to be happy and want to recommend the game!

A rule in my work place is do wrong by a customer that customer will tell 10 others about your wrong doing, do good by a customer they MIGHT tell 2 others!

If they use this rule at MA they might triple the player base, if they dont they could lose players on a tenfold!

There is a reason we dont have one unified forum for Entropia, cause the amount of bashing MA etc take would drive others away!
 
mastermesh said:
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Also, have you ever thought that tracking software is not always 100% accurate...
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I am not sure what you want to have said with this, but I am pretty sure that most globals are recoded with the tracker. Also not all globals need to be taken into account to get a good estimation of how many people that global each month (since many global several times and it is enough that one of these is recorded).

If you only meant that maybe 1% of the people are missed then it is completely irrelevant when estimating...
 
InDaHouse said:
Why do you all go on bashing other participants instead of seeing my point????? The point is that why are we opening MORE and MORE new planets when we don't have enough participants as is?
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Mindark is going to open a planet for every sucker, oops, I mean potential planet partner willing to put enough cash down to sign the pp contract. The cash Mindark makes off of auctions is nickels and dimes compared to what they are making from PPs trying to start up these days I suspect. As far as loot goes, every pp does assign loot tables to each mob as far as I can figure based on Q&A sessions posted by Neverdie in the past, which you can't find any more since he later deleted the page that was on or moved it around in his forum hiding it or something, but Mindark itself controls the loot pool, and the loot pool covers every planet and the entire universe as far as I can tell. Why force all the gamblers in the casino to go to one table when you can make it look like the potential to win is a lot higher by putting in a ton of tables and slots? The HOUSE is still THE HOUSE and it always wins.
 
My first solo global was 8 months after I started playing and when I went to Arkadia.
On Calypso hunting solo global was 10 months.
And I am sure I was playing more than a lot of people and depositing more than a lot of people.
Now can you estimate what that means.
And if I keep playing lower than argonauts at Twin I will probably get 1 global per year and if I deposit less than 20 a month I will get 1 hunting global per 2 years playing daily.
 
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InDaHouse said:
4. People who's only participation in the game is to make peds to withdraw and not "play the game" are leechers IMO, I did put exceptions in place but i'm not gonna sit down and think of EVERY SINGLE EXCEPTION just to please you fan boy flamers!
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sorry, but this is the main outstanding aspect of eu, to be able to make profit and withdraw ped ...
and especially traders are really important for this game who else would buy for example the tons of weapons looted from event mobs? the hunters? not this amounts...
all players are important, not only those who "play" as you say..(except scammers etc)..perhaps a trader with a turn over of 3k ped a day is more important than a player dropping 500 ped probes a day..


i have to agree though, that there is a lack of active players for all the planets etc...
for MA and PP this is bad...
for the individual player this creates opportunities and niches. you can find alot of profitable things to do. especially away from caly because not every other guy is doing the thing you do...
 
Before MA introduced globals < 50 ped, the number of unique people who have globaled during a month wobbled around 2500, and people did say that not everyone get globals so that number should be increased tenfold. Now every noob gets his 5 ped swirlie in the first week, but the best we got was ~3800 in busy Christmas days. Are there reasons to think there are more than 5000 active participants, with sweaters, resellers and others?

The tracker is accurate. The only cases when it ignores my globals is when I happen to be on NI or, more recently, on Toulan, and even then it happens only due to very few sources for verification (3-5 clients on the planet, not sure what's the current threshold), and considering the population on those planets this error can be safely ignored.
 
My estimate, somewhat less than 10k active players and increasing. Several quality MMO's fit into the same bracket and there's no panic about it.
RCE is an elitist stuff anyway, well ahead of it's time. Wanna play with billion teens instead? What's the problem, go ahead.
I'd reserve the panic for the times when playerbase is decreasing, not growing. :smoke:
 
As long this 6275 tracked people pay x 3 times - infinite times the monney a monthly subscription from another online game cost i do not worry. :smoke:
 
AxeMurderer said:
And if I keep playing lower than argonauts at Twin I will probably get 1 global per year and if I deposit less than 20 a month I will get 1 hunting global per 2 years playing daily.
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This was true until the smaller globals were introduced, and as Svarog said above, I think the tracker accuracy increased dramatically since those minis are around.

I would say also between 5000-8000 active avas including alternate avatars.

Why is important? Well, if I'm not mistaken, the MA operating costs + personnel cost are ~60-80.000.000 SEK/year (varies), or 9.500.000 USD up to 12.500.000 USD.

Let's say 10 million USD - seems excessive to me, but this is what they claim in their reports. Only salaries, calculated at 4000USD/month x 40 people (10 more at support in Mexico, presumably cheap :) ), are getting close to 2 million USD/year. Advertised salaries are more than DOUBLE that - maybe some of the expenses goes into management salaries for a nice pension :D, or the salaries a MA are overall quite big for permanent positions.

Anyhow, even at an optimistic 10k players, MA will need 1000 usd/player just in order to get even. Sure this amount is lower due to PP sales, moons, LA's and other things bringing in extra cash, but the bottom end is - the game needs around 100k active players. Can servers cope with them?
 
mastermesh said:
So, are you hunting on the leachers lands? Better stop doing that? Ever wanted to use a mothership's services? Guess you better stop feeding the leaches.

NO PARTICIPANT IS A LEACH. Those that think along this line of thought are just biggotted leaches themselves who leach this game from it's social potential and just want to be in a big casino imho.... If you don't like the game as it is, why don't you try some online poker sites instead of trying to get globals?

Also, have you ever thought that tracking software is not always 100% accurate...
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It all depend of angle of wiev.
We can discuss a lot and i could agree in some points or strongly disagree and give hudred different opinions or reasons without solving anything.
I dont care if is fact or just my feeling but i see every new investment wich have a goal taxes, fees, any form of roi or any type of profit or new types of consuming expenses as additional load/weight on gameplay costs.
In that contest i see wery dangerous path you are aproaching by suggesting players who play, decay and pay to quit and find another game.
In that way we could end with EU full of investors, LA's, shops and item and CLD owners and ofc traders and reselers but nobody who play, consume, decay and pay because all those shud play something else as i understand you.
Without consumers who will provide your income/roi/profit then ?
 
More and smaller globals being shown would not accurately reflect the player populution, as the "globalling" system seems to be a bit broken atm. A few days ago, hunting rippersnappers, I got a global for 24.89ped. The very next mob looted 25.70ped without a global. This is not the first time such a thing has happened. If the global loot announcements are this unreliable, it can't be used as a tracking metric for anything at all.

On a somewhat related tangent, I think that announcing these small "globals" is quite irritating. I don't need to know every time a noob loots 5ped out of a Daikiba Young. Not to sound like a PE player crying for the "old days", but 50ped+ globals MEANT something. It was an exciting event in the course of playing. Seeing those swirlies meant you got something, even if it was 50ped of TT food. Now, I don't even care about swirlies because not only are they completely random now (or seem to be) but often the non-global loot is better.
 
InDaHouse said:
The number of ACTUAL active contributing participants in EU???

We all know Entropia Life tracks all globals and HoF's across ALL planets (as long as enough people are running the client, which there usually is). At first I Thought these figures i'm about to give were based on globals/HoF's over 50 ped, but after watching some small 6-25 ped globals roll past and seeing them register on the site I find my presumption wrong.

I myself am currently number 128 of 3566 based on my number of hunting globals in last 30 days, at first I thought cool i'm almost a top 100 hunter, then I think hang on there has only been 3566 individual avatar's to have a global of 5ped or higher in last 30 days? :scratch2:

Now looking at Mining and Crafting I know these only count over 50 ped as Globals and there is on 1387 individuals globaled on Mining & 1322 individuals globaled on Crafting, which gives a total of 6275 individual participant globals across the professions!

Now take into account that if I have a global in each profession that will make this number even lower to the point you could even divide it by half!!!! :eyecrazy:

I know we have traders, pilots, LA owners and CLD owners but if these guys are not actually spending peds in game they are leaching from the game (I know the invested heavy and this is their gain/return on investment but still leaching).

So how many ACTIVE players do we really have in EU???? Sweaters, noobs, hunters, miners, crafters, people who actually play it as a GAME???? I personally dont think we have over 5k gamers playing in the WHOLE of EU! We have 7 planets some with Moon's, Asteroids (FOMA/HELL) and Space stations (Crystal Palace). 5k avatars spread out across them with atleast 60% (i'd say) staying on Calypso is not impressive figures and not the kind of figures you should be looking to expand the game further with!

Bring back the players before we open MORE planets!
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I totally agree wit you but ...

Mindar politics shows that they THINK that Planet partners like "Arkadia" by "buying" a planet in Entropia universe will advertize game outside and spend money to attract new players to it.

That is why there is other planets liek a partners, and Entropia is like a pool where all "planets - games" is boiling.

But now - planet partnes not advertize game, but trye to attract players from old plannets. and there is missunderstanding.

1 . Mindark should advertize it outside as a game
2 . Entropia partners should not attract already existing players but attract new ones.
3. 3 Planets started last year (with moon) noone still finished but started. And no sight of advertisement made.
 
KingNobody said:
A few days ago, hunting rippersnappers, I got a global for 24.89ped. The very next mob looted 25.70ped without a global.
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different maturities have different global thresholds
 
Svarog said:
Apparently the second snapper was of greater maturity -> higher threshold.
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Actually, I don't remember the maturities, that could very well be the case. I'll watch more carefully next time.
 
Dan59 said:
It all depend of angle of wiev.
We can discuss a lot and i could agree in some points or strongly disagree and give hudred different opinions or reasons without solving anything.
I dont care if is fact or just my feeling but i see every new investment wich have a goal taxes, fees, any form of roi or any type of profit or new types of consuming expenses as additional load/weight on gameplay costs.
In that contest i see wery dangerous path you are aproaching by suggesting players who play, decay and pay to quit and find another game.
In that way we could end with EU full of investors, LA's, shops and item and CLD owners and ofc traders and reselers but nobody who play, consume, decay and pay because all those shud play something else as i understand you.
Without consumers who will provide your income/roi/profit then ?
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Ins't that already happening?


They just removed all the chances to hit big if your not hunting huge HP mobs (feffox, prots, araneas, 1 million shared mobs, etc).

Craft condition was completely destroyed, with the near success and the success being only a few pec's apart for a lot of BPs.

And mining? Ahh the old days where doing two level 5 amps would assure you one global at least!


To me the game looks like a work more than ever!
Pay to work to loss!



I bet that no more than 30k players log in at least once a month. But with so many planets/map this number looks smaller than ever.
 
So many great points being made!

My favourite is from Dan Petrov, if we players all stop hunting on the LA's or bug off and play other games cause we don't like it who will pay the taxes for the owners?

Also seen some talk from Pilots complaining they are not here to support Calypsians who holiday on other planets for a few days, well to me what your saying is your a pilot that does not want to fly from Calypso to other planets with passengers? Well why is there a million spaceships parked around Calypso???

As far as I see you it all the people I branded leechers need us players to keep their business investment alive, the same as MA need us to keep the game alive but the more we get pissed off the more we leave.

I've been inactive for the last 2 years, I was semi active over the first year and only played for the Longtooth event in the last year. I returned middle of Feb 2014 but I see alot of change some for the good but my main profession was mining and well enough said about how thats been made even more sucky than what they done after VU 10! IMO since VU 10 its been down hill with a few boosters over the years but mainly downhill and it hurts me as I hold this game in my heart.
 
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