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Full condition craft still worth it?

sasha said:
Your favorite mob is snable and you never globed in craft...
WTF is wrong with you? No one gives a f... about your opinion and
stop spamming every freaking thread on PCF
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I'm sorry, it's just when I see someone leaving the game, I get frustrated and angry :(

P.S. Those 2 snables were for a mission :lolup:
 
It's MA fault,not your's and sorry btw ....
 
Fanan said:
Is there anyone still crafting on full condition?

The success rate is insanely low! On a 150 click run in textures resulted in 3 successes.

Okay, I know that a 150 click run for condition isn't a great sample but I'm not even complaining on how much ped I lost in only 30 minutes. Following this example this means that on a 1k click run I will have only 20 successes.

Wonder if others are experiencing this or if is just me. :scratch2:
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did some condition crafting myself the other day. Re-101 (1200 clicks (in 200click runs) resulted in average of 5 successes per 100 clicks.

D-1 800 clicks , resulted bit over 5 successes in 100clicks on average.

D-1 blueprint (adjusted) 70 clicks (2 successes).


So looks pretty normal to me.
 
regular Multipleir on cond crafting

Heisaa!
TY inderect answer received .... COS on L expected on Quantity less than 1 to 15 click ,.,,, Yack it....

some Shit as in mining ...

BR R.
 
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Ain't played in 5 months.
Stopped 5 months ago because returns were shit in all 3 professions, particularly mining and crafting.
Came back due to email from MA about account.
Found some PED on card (~2k PED) and some resources (~1.5k PED).
Decided to click lvl2 light amps for a global buzz.
Put a lot of stuff in machine (around 300 clicks).
Set condition max.
Clicked auto 250 clicks.
8 success.
No global.
Highest loot 48.36 PED.
Loss... god knows. A lot. I didn't calc, just logged off in disgust.

EU is a fucking ripoff. Not logging again.
Fuck Mindark, Entropia and it's fanboys. I'm going back to the REAL casino.
 
Profit said:
Ain't played in 5 months.
Stopped 5 months ago because returns were shit in all 3 professions, particularly mining and crafting.
Came back due to email from MA about account.
Clicked auto 250 clicks.
8 success.
No global.

EU is a fucking ripoff. Not logging again.
Fuck Mindark, Entropia and it's fanboys. I'm going back to the REAL casino.
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EU is not a fucking ripoff but a virtual universe with the features of a real casino. If you can´t afford gambling then why gamble? (condition clicking lvl 2 lights is like clicking any other low cost bp on condition, most likely you will not global (specially in that few clicks)

Fuck this fuck that, who the fuck cares?
 
EU is not gambling, it's a pyramid scheme, scam, ripoff, etc...
I can afford gambling. I can afford most things.
But I can't afford to be ripped off. Nor do I enjoy being ripped off, regardless of cost.
Don't care anymore, I quit. lol
 
Profit said:
EU is not gambling, it's a pyramid scheme, scam, ripoff, etc...
I can afford gambling. I can afford most things.
But I can't afford to be ripped off. Nor do I enjoy being ripped off, regardless of cost.
Don't care anymore, I quit. lol
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Well yeah 8k argo is gone now your turn :smash::scared:
 
Profit said:
EU is not gambling, it's a pyramid scheme, scam, ripoff, etc...
I can afford gambling. I can afford most things.
But I can't afford to be ripped off. Nor do I enjoy being ripped off, regardless of cost.
Don't care anymore, I quit. lol
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Forum rules 2.9 ; 3.8 .

Anyways good to see one someone who cant afford to play leaving. All those ppl who complain and complain and complain are bad for business.

Pyramid scheme is totally different thing, scam would mean they cheat you somehow (which they havent)..

So tc and have better luck whining in real life casino, about damn slot machine eating your money.
 
Profit said:
Ain't played in 5 months.
Stopped 5 months ago because returns were shit in all 3 professions, particularly mining and crafting.
Came back due to email from MA about account.
Found some PED on card (~2k PED) and some resources (~1.5k PED).
Decided to click lvl2 light amps for a global buzz.
Put a lot of stuff in machine (around 300 clicks).
Set condition max.
Clicked auto 250 clicks.
8 success.
No global.
Highest loot 48.36 PED.
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You do 250 clicks on condition and expect to not lose a lot??? You just need a better mentor I think. :laugh:

BTW returns improved several months ago.
 
Profit said:
Ain't played in 5 months.
Stopped 5 months ago because returns were shit in all 3 professions, particularly mining and crafting.
Came back due to email from MA about account.
Found some PED on card (~2k PED) and some resources (~1.5k PED).
Decided to click lvl2 light amps for a global buzz.
Put a lot of stuff in machine (around 300 clicks).
Set condition max.
Clicked auto 250 clicks.
8 success.
No global.
Highest loot 48.36 PED.
Loss... god knows. A lot. I didn't calc, just logged off in disgust.

EU is a fucking ripoff. Not logging again.
Fuck Mindark, Entropia and it's fanboys. I'm going back to the REAL casino.
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Game changed so much this 2 last years! Now isn't not even close to the game that I really enjoyed years ago. Freedom and opportunity completely removed!!!

Chipped out craft skills already to not have the temptation anymore to do something like that... When on full quantity you got 15 near successes in a row it make you rethink your approach to the game.

Everything is capped now! You can loss at same rate as before but the HOF's are so damn rare now!
Maybe we should thanks MindArk. Finally they made me realize how unfair this game is. Not even one more euro to them! While on Steam my collection of games continue to rise.
 
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Fanan said:
Maybe we should thanks MindArk.
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Yes, damn them for listening to people on the forum :)

I don't like how crafting works now at all, but it is what some people asked for unfortunately.
 
Profit said:
EU is not gambling, it's a pyramid scheme, scam, ripoff, etc...
I can afford gambling. I can afford most things.
But I can't afford to be ripped off. Nor do I enjoy being ripped off, regardless of cost.
Don't care anymore, I quit. lol
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Waaaaaaaahhhhh I bet the house (a small one) on 0 or 00 and lost... game is a scam because it didn't pay me off for a 2.5% gamble to get a SUCCESS and in those SUCCESSES. .. I didn't get a single multipler. You have to succeed to get a multiplier.

Maybe not pull the slider all the way over. I get a 5.4% success rate ALWAYS within a 0 1% range by not pulling the slider all the way over.

The game isn't a pyramid scheme.. social security in the US is. This game is a money cycler. They are very different. One needs new people to support the pyramid. The other needs folks to keep cycling the same money. Withdrawls stress the system if there are no alternative inputs (in game ads, pay to click stuff, etc).
 
What a lot of whining in this thread. I've never done long runs in the hope of hitting a globe or hof, I just do short runs (100 clicks or less) on quantity with the intention of getting components needed for crafting the end product - pitbulls at the present, I've still had a couple of globes in the past few weeks doing that - check my entropialife listing. It seems that someone is doing something wrong, but I don't think its me :)
 
krazykat said:
What a lot of whining in this thread. I've never done long runs in the hope of hitting a globe or hof, I just do short runs (100 clicks or less) on quantity with the intention of getting components needed for crafting the end product - pitbulls at the present, I've still had a couple of globes in the past few weeks doing that - check my entropialife listing. It seems that someone is doing something wrong, but I don't think its me :)
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Your "amazing" total loot of 700 ped in your entire craft life tell me that you are just starting.

You have no idea what we are talking about in this thread because the major changes in the algorithm came in January 2013!

And no, I'm not doing anything wrong because I'm not doing anything at all anymore! For me Entropia Universe entered on a vegetative state till Mindark return the fun to the game.
 
I ask them last night why people like me that drop minimum 200bombs EVERYDAY cant hit a tower ... and noob that got his first global is 4.5k narc ... Thats the answer!! ENJOY!! They call that incident :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Hi dobrinocb,

Thank you for contacting us. As the Support Department only provides technical support for Entropia Universe, we cannot give any detailed information about this incident. The system design allows all participants the opportunity to find a large deposit. Such occasional large deposits do not affect the individual participant's general prospecting skills.

By increasing your avatar's skill you will be able to use more powerful tools more effectively. Which type of resource found is also influenced by your skill, the tool used and place you search.

It is also worth remembering that during the course of any one day, a wide variety of larger and lesser deposits are found by avatars with middle to high skills and middle to high equipment.


What you think about that ? Do you think the "noob" was using tk320 full enhancer or what haha
 
Fanan said:
Your "amazing" total loot of 700 ped in your entire craft life tell me that you are just starting.

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No, I'm not just starting. I just don't do it in the hope of hitting a big loot. any globes or hof's are a bonus. i craft things to sell and my ped take from that is a good deal more than 700 ped. I may not have been in the game as long as you, but don't patronize me.
 
U cannot expect that every run will be the same? Its just not working this way. OFC its gambling system with craft also so what U expect? some 1 wins some1 looses.

Its funny for me to see child crying when he got burned.

Its your peds U can do whatever U want. U can put them into risk of small chance/high reward game. U dont have to do it. U can buy deeed and enjoy steady cashflow. U can buy nice shirt. But be carefoul with that. shirt is going to decay... So if ur full of hate cause life didnt give U WHAT U EXPECTED... dont buy a shirt... cause U will look bad when U dress it up this day. dont buy deed... cause it will be too low cashflow... ond ofc... dont gamble... cause if U loose - U loose majority, and if U win - It will never make U happy.

U gambled hard in hope to get hof. U lost. FACE IT. And accept.

If game changed... If U can see that something is not working anymore - choose - to continue doing that; or to try to find new way :)

U can always keep thinking "how it was some time ago"
 
Full condition has never been worth it. Looks like it might be worth it based on big numbers...but as you know you spend much more with a very little chance to return to do it.

In 2008 amp crafting was a bit better on condition, but not by much...it was still easy to bleed peds on condition then. But in my experience, it has never been worth it.

A big majority of my HOFS are quantity, and my top 10 highest loots were on quantity.

( I dont even want to speculate how many condition peds I've lost, I crafted over a million peds alone in just the last 8 months)

Condition is for bps you don't really care to get something back, have no markup, and are skilling on anyhow, like level 7 tailoring rage pants.

Condition crafting on markup items is a bad move....you will lose more in the end.
 
Of course that when you play against the house you can lose or win. lol

Why I opened this thread is because of the change in the loot algorithm in January of 2013. What used to be fun on condition, like textures (with wools at 101%...) on full condition for residues (that used to sell at 110%+), it isn't anymore.

They removed a lot of thrill from the game over night and without any explanation!


Do you guys really think that I would click BPs for products with MU in full condition?

Or that I expect to win every runs? C'mon I play EU for more than 6 years, is supposed to know a bit how things works.


I used to burn the wools/hides from hunt in condition craft but with a possible maximum reward a lot lower now and the success rate so low I just prefer to throw them on the TT. The result is less painful.
 
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whiteknut said:
Forum rules 2.9 ; 3.8 .

Anyways good to see one someone who cant afford to play leaving. All those ppl who complain and complain and complain are bad for business.

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I think profit stated that he can afford most of the things in life he wants, but does not like to be ripped off. You on the other hand, seem to live from other players deposits/resources via buying them for 70% of markup and reselling for 105% at auc or so. So in the end, wich one of you guys is better for the game, the guy who deposits and plays the game, or the guy who stands at twin spamming day in day out and withdraws/ plays with nondeposited money :I

Ontopic:

without certain prints/ high enouff skills crafting is not worth it for most of us, there will allways be small time windows for components etc, but starting an crafting business these days would be just insane.
 
whiteknut said:
Forum rules 2.9 ; 3.8 .

Anyways good to see one someone who cant afford to play leaving. /
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No one ever leaves for good.

As far as condition crafting goes, never has been worth it unless you like gambling a lot where the house's odds are even higher than usual.

I wish 'condition' slider had an impact on the returned result... if it did, condition crafting would make sense as higher quality product would be the end result. On weapons they could make higher end result be a higher tier rate or something, etc. Would be neat to craft a tier 10 item as a global/hof. Perhaps someday Mindark will read this and take it as a hint?
 
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Condition crafting is simply a gamble. I personally don't condition completely because of the math. I seemingly have fair success but there are major don'ts when it comes to this process.

Condition crafting is only useful to generate residue and that residue is much much higher than the mu of the items you are using in the recipe... ie textures. However residue isn't 110 anymore.. it is 105... which makes it pretty much nonsense to condition craft. . And even if you do... you need about 1k clicks because the success of condition crafting is contingent on getting multipliers.

We feel that we need to condition craft to manufacture markup on no markup hunting loot which is in excess. Crafting has always kept my poor hunting experience in check but this doesn't always happen to everyone. If hunting loot had markup... I doubt people would be condition crafting much.

At berg... no one is forced to sell items at major cuts in markup. If someone does and feeds these resellers, which you seem to have a problem with, then that hunter or miner only has themselves to blame. You could easily offer 75% instead of their 70% and improve the experience of this is your issue.
 
I use to do full condition crafting with my 100% QR BP's but have stopped doing so as of middle of January.

I use to have decent returns with chance to get some nice bp drops but from Dec to middle of January I was never getting any bp drops that I could not get by doing quantity and my returns were extremely low compared to what I was use to getting at full condition. I know full condition is a bit of gambling but when you get on bad streak you just have to pull back and wait for the system to cycle so the conditions are right to work in your favor again. Or that's my plan/theory/strategy anyways.

I reverted back to quantity. Was thinking was about time to try full condition again but sounds like I should hold off for another few months.
 
Sample size is the key.

Ive played for many years and always stayed away from the crafting machine for fear of huge losses. Now i got the point in game that i have enough ped to cycle i started to try it .

roughly 25K clicks in the last month on conductors as an example>

when clicking full condition i ALWAYS buy enough materials to do over 5000 clicks. This has NEVER given less than 4.7% success rate . And ive been lucky enough to have had a few nice xxxx loots along the way. (of course with some 7-800 ped losses too )

i did 6000 clicks on conductors on full quant for comparison and even with a success rate of around 37% i dint not get one global in 6773 attempts. ( yea big loss)


so i prefer condition just because you have a chance at something nice , but i wouldn't even bother if you dont have over 1k clicks :wise:
 
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