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Is there anyone still crafting on full condition?

The success rate is insanely low! On a 150 click run in textures resulted in 3 successes.

Okay, I know that a 150 click run for condition isn't a great sample but I'm not even complaining on how much ped I lost in only 30 minutes. Following this example this means that on a 1k click run I will have only 20 successes.

Wonder if others are experiencing this or if is just me. :scratch2:
 
60% of the time, full condition crafting is worth it, every time.

Sample set is too small, and only 1 run. I do my share of condition crafting and on the worst days I get .6 to 1.5% (yes, that's right, 1 out of 100 clicks, more ore less) but on other days I get 10-15%...all over 100 click runs. It varies, 1 run of 150 doesn't tell you anything.
 
I'm still in the belief that you shouldn't need huge tests sizes to tell you anything. No one should be able to do any activity in the game (unless it is something super stupid) and loose a ton in 30 mins.
Wishful thinking, but that's what I think. If it's a game and not a casino.
 
As I always said and advised others the minimum for condition craft should be 300-500 clicks depending of the cost per click. I know that and I try to make the maximum amount every time I go for full condition.

But since this modified loot was implemented that I see no point in full condition craft. I tried it many times with a lot of different blueprints and today I did it again. It's very frustrated the success rate that it brings you, no matter how much you have lost before or if the BP is at 100% QR or at 0% QR.

If Mindark want to run away with gamblers why they don't remove the craft bar? As it's now, this is not even a casino, it's a broken casino! Where burning money or craft on condition the result will be the same.

We can now have near successes higher than the successes. In the end you need to glob/hof big if not the failed will eat all those higher near successes. And how can you glob/hof big if they only give you one success each 50 cliks?

Makes no sense having a bar that the only purpose is to make you lose even faster. If I want to lose faster I try a high cost per click BP. How can the system let you loss so much with maxed BPs is behind my comprehension!
 
i NEVER get over 3% success on this new system.. so i say its scam with capital S
i remember when i started playing in 2006 if i wanted to gamble i knew what i was doing.. now its gamble even on quanti...
 
It's just a big nonsense in my opinion. Like a scam indeed!

Look at this little sample few months ago, BP is at 100% QR and I m around level 18 in textures craft!



(105 clicks, hopefully the success came at the click number 104!) LMAO
 
I have noticed very low success rates in crafting since the VU, regardless of condition.
 
Today I went for quantity instead, trying to recover some peds at least. Had to make around 1500 clicks in order to get a litle global.

Lost in all the three runs I did, as usual since this modified broken loot arrived! No wonder that 2013 was the best year for MA!

The amount of near success is insane!
Check the picture bellow, cost per click for this BP is 1.15 ped in tt. Take your own conclusion.


(full quantity and BP at 100% QR, have 3 times the level needed to click it)


Congratulations Mindark! Now your game doesn't look like a casino anymore, now it looks like a big SCAM!
 
i always go on condition
up to simple 3 conduktor never under 500 klick in a run
5-8 % succes rate

the rund ends whit around 600-650 klicks becous of the neer succes
 
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If you are doing condition crafting with 100 clicks and then crying in this thread or calling it a scam, sell your blueprints now and dont craft again.

I craft condition all the time, but I dont move the bar all the way to the end, because that is around 2-3%. I move it over to the left a bit and for me that is a sweet spot. I end up around 5.4-6%. If you are going to move the bar all the way to condition, you better have 1K clicks or more. This is the consistent advice if you read ANY crafting thread on this forum.

Condition is gambling, no doubt. If you are doing a short run, you are really going big or going home.
 
Fanan said:
It's just a big nonsense in my opinion. Like a scam indeed!

Look at this little sample few months ago, BP is at 100% QR and I m around level 18 in textures craft!



(105 clicks, hopefully the success came at the click number 104!) LMAO
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me like large stripped cotton fabric texture full cond all the way :)
 
OK, I just had enough of this crap and my craft era on Entropia is now over!

It amazes me how can I loss over and over and do 2000 clicks without global while others in only 30 minutes can global 3/4 times on same BP that I am also clicking.

Something is really wrong with loot distribution, the constant "close to desktop" like yesterday that kicked me 3 times doesn't help either.

Already chipped out 19k skill points and more should go this next days. Blueprints the same, wish we had more auction slots!


Good luck to all the craft addicts! You will need it!

:wave:
 
Fanan said:
OK, I just had enough of this crap and my craft era on Entropia is now over!

It amazes me how can I loss over and over and do 2000 clicks without global while others in only 30 minutes can global 3/4 times on same BP that I am also clicking.

Something is really wrong with loot distribution, the constant "close to desktop" like yesterday that kicked me 3 times doesn't help either.

Already chipped out 19k skill points and more should go this next days. Blueprints the same, wish we had more auction slots!


Good luck to all the craft addicts! You will need it!

:wave:
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Go hunt some mate, you will get most if not all of your losses back, hopefully.

:)
 
Can I ask why you are doing textures on full condition? If you are crafting textures you should always do them on Quantity as the TT value of each texture is fixed. It's not like crafting a Quad where you need to use residue and click on full condition to get a full TT Quad as a success.
With textures that have a TT value less than 0.4Ped there is no point using condition. If you are gambling for a HOF you can try full condition on textures with a TT above 0.5 Ped, but you may not get a global and you get bugger all texture.
My advice is craft all textures on Quantity.
 
Few Scars said:
It's not like crafting a Quad where you need to use residue and click on full condition to get a full TT Quad as a success.
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Wow. This is not correct sir.
 
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BBpunisher said:
Wow. This is not correct sir.
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Dunno... I've been crafting level 2 finder amp lights on full condition w/residue and seeing a drop in residue on a success... I ought not be using residue if crafting on condition, but it is getting used.
 
Ape Drape said:
Dunno... I've been crafting level 2 finder amp lights on full condition w/residue and seeing a drop in residue on a success... I ought not be using residue if crafting on condition, but it is getting used.
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Yes it's possible to have residue consumed on condition if your success wasn't enough to fill the max tt.

My post above is shock in a long time player not understanding you can achieve full tt with a quantity success + residue.
 
1 pic says more then 1000 words..





My problem is that this doesn't stop at crafting.
I have for over 1 month now not a single hunt over 53% return. Counting decay my average return are 47%.
Mining are even worse with a 37% return, so lucky I'm mining unamped.

Been depositing alot over the years but see no point in even playing any more.

Support agreed that I had low return but it's dynamic and they questioning my hunting setup.
To bad I only use maxed gear :mad:
 
BBpunisher said:
Yes it's possible to have residue consumed on condition if your success wasn't enough to fill the max tt.

My post above is shock in a long time player not understanding you can achieve full tt with a quantity success + residue.
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Here's the thing... crafting on full condition and not getting a full condition item on a success is not gambling, it's a scam. Crafting is Three Card Monty Online.
 
Ape Drape said:
Here's the thing... crafting on full condition and not getting a full condition item on a success is not gambling, it's a scam. Crafting is Three Card Monty Online.
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It can happens, like when I clicked level 2 amps on full condition. Usually they always came out with a few peds short to the maximum tt that is 100 ped in this case, if you don't hof or global high! If you want them full tt then add some residues.

But that is not the point here. What amazes me most is not even the speed at which I can loss peds but the fact of having only one success in 100 clicks! Psychologically is terrible!

And btw I always crafted textures in full condition. Why? Well the wool usually is cheap, the product is tt food and I only want the residues. Usually I could get 1 success every 20 clicks or so, this before the modified shity loot, now with 1 success every 50-100 clicks and hof removed what is the fun of it?

No globals no hofs and you lose faster than ever!:confused:


Don't worry MA it will come the day when only puny hunters and cheaters will be playing your sick "game". But then it will be too late and the ones that really payed your salaries will be gone for ever because of your incompetence!


PS: Yes Sunny, same thing here. Mining only pay me the tt of the amp, making bombs, amp mu and decays my lost. Hunting is not possible to bring more than the ammo, making me pay for amp and weapons decays. And this is going for some months now!
 
since the "lower sr" update i try to avoid contition crafting...there are just not enough big multipliers coming for me...

i have to admit i tried some after the last weeks update and it seems that the sr got a little better for me for condition and quantity...
but still not the same lvl as before the "lower sr" vu...
so i keep crafting to a minimum atm..

Ape Drape said:
Here's the thing... crafting on full condition and not getting a full condition item on a success is not gambling, it's a scam. Crafting is Three Card Monty Online.
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it depends how much the click costs and how much max tt the item has..lets take two examples:

if you click quality, lets assume the minimum value for success is 8*ttin (don't know exact value but sth around this)

pioneer gloves:
tt cost per click = 0.42 ped
item tt max = 2 ped
so 8*ttin = 3.36 ped
=> you get always full tt item on success + residue

kesmek slo:
tt cost per click = 2.82 ped
item tt max = 355 ped
so 8*ttin = 22.56 ped
=> you only get full tt item if you score huge hof:)
(or add residue)

so no scam here...
 
In reply to the OP's question:

"Full condition craft still worth it?"

Answer:

Never was, never will be

Rgds

Ace
 
Ace Flyster said:
In reply to the OP's question:

"Full condition craft still worth it?"

Answer:

Never was, never will be

Rgds

Ace
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there were several times when conditon crafting can be better than quant...
for example one time, there was lyst&oil <104%, residue was at 115% and power containers bps sold for 150ped+...so craft dampers on condition on cyrene..but well, that was before modified loot..

if you did enough clicks tt return evened out..but is not the case for me after modified loot, there are just no enough good multipliers coming..before mod loot vu i could do 2k for 0.42 clicks on quant and could be sure i had 1-x globals...after mod loot vu i did 6k clicks over some weeks and didn't get one loot over 30 ped..and the thing is, i got way more higher multipliersw doing the things on quant..
 
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Magnus Mag said:
there were several times when conditon crafting can be better than quant...
for example one time, there was lyst&oil <104%, residue was at 115% and power containers bps sold for 150ped+...so craft dampers on condition on cyrene..but well, that was before modified loot..
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Agreed in the past there have been a few exceptions. I stick by what i said as a general rule of thumb though.

Especially with residue @ 8% on average.

Back in the day when residue was 140-150%, you could craft many things on condition with a profit. But that was 7-8 years ago. Not applicable now

Rgds

Ace
 
Fanan said:
Is there anyone still crafting on full condition?

The success rate is insanely low! On a 150 click run in textures resulted in 3 successes.

Okay, I know that a 150 click run for condition isn't a great sample but I'm not even complaining on how much ped I lost in only 30 minutes. Following this example this means that on a 1k click run I will have only 20 successes.

Wonder if others are experiencing this or if is just me. :scratch2:
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if you craft last money that is needed for milk and bread - dont do it,
if you craft ped that was for beer and chips - do it


:))) celar enought, i would do same :)
 
Magnus Mag said:
there were several times when conditon crafting can be better than quant...
for example one time, there was lyst&oil <104%, residue was at 115% and power containers bps sold for 150ped+...so craft dampers on condition on cyrene..but well, that was before modified loot..

if you did enough clicks tt return evened out..but is not the case for me after modified loot, there are just no enough good multipliers coming..before mod loot vu i could do 2k for 0.42 clicks on quant and could be sure i had 1-x globals...after mod loot vu i did 6k clicks over some weeks and didn't get one loot over 30 ped..and the thing is, i got way more higher multipliersw doing the things on quant..
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Can't agree more!

Before this modified shity loot I let my avatar crafting on full condition while at work. It was fun times and I knew that 1k clicks on cheap ass textures would assure me at least one global or 3/4 globals or even a hof! Of course that some runs I lost others I won.

Now I can try 2k clicks while already losing tones of peds, since july was "only" 7k ped lost, that it is impossible to global!

Anyway, as I said before my craft era is over for good! Already selling skills with the intention of withdrawal a second time. Game is not fun anymore. In fact even with endless peds the game look like a work now than prior to january 2013.

And don't worry, all the money that I put in the game was not needed for my RL living. But It wasn't also valued by Mindark!!!
 
Gotta say, condition crafting level 2 finder amp lights has been kind to me lately. 3 uberHOFs + 690 PEDer. Got PED in pocket, 3 CLDs I didn't have last Friday and over 1300 PED sitting in the auction. Will be the first time I haven't needed to deposit every week in order to play.
 
If you are getting super bad returns, YOU are the one doing something wrong.

Switch areas, try other MObs, adjust your freakng condition bar. I find some bps make most money at very specific conditions.

Still not working? Move to another planet.
 
Ember said:
If you are getting super bad returns, YOU are the one doing something wrong.

Switch areas, try other MObs, adjust your freakng condition bar. I find some bps make most money at very specific conditions.

Still not working? Move to another planet.
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This advice from someone who has barely cycled any ped in game. no thx...:scratch2:
 
Ember said:
If you are getting super bad returns, YOU are the one doing something wrong.

Switch areas, try other MObs, adjust your freakng condition bar. I find some bps make most money at very specific conditions.

Still not working? Move to another planet.
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Your favorite mob is snable and you never globed in craft...
WTF is wrong with you? No one gives a f... about your opinion and
stop spamming every freaking thread on PCF
 
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