How to exploit a mining bug.

GO to west crater on Monria, and drop L13's in the mobs spawns...forget about the rest of the crater. Just drop 3-4 in a spawn, then move to the next.

Heck, just follow the guys you see there doing it!!! There's like 20 there doing it now...join the fun!

Its all timing. The guys aren't dropping non stop, they are getting claims pretty much every time they drop a bomb. Here is just one tracker:

Growth Molecules 290 PED Fri, 11 Apr 2014 02:09:22
Lysterium Stone 270 PED Fri, 11 Apr 2014 02:05:04
Ganganite Stone 243 PED Fri, 11 Apr 2014 02:01:38
Lysterium Stone 303 PED Fri, 11 Apr 2014 02:00:08
Narcanisum Stone 309 PED Fri, 11 Apr 2014 01:55:37
Lytairian Dust 278 PED Fri, 11 Apr 2014 01:54:55
Frigulite Stone 75 PED Fri, 11 Apr 2014 00:30:40
Dianthus Liquid 328 PED Fri, 11 Apr 2014 00:28:48
Growth Molecules 305 PED Fri, 11 Apr 2014 00:24:20
Growth Molecules 244 PED Fri, 11 Apr 2014 00:23:05
Fire Root Globule 180 PED Fri, 11 Apr 2014 00:19:56
Fire Root Globule 203 PED Fri, 11 Apr 2014 00:15:57
Quantium Stone 252 PED Fri, 11 Apr 2014 00:15:57
Lysterium Stone 959 PED Fri, 11 Apr 2014 00:15:09
Growth Molecules 71 PED Fri, 11 Apr 2014 00:10:14
Fire Root Globule 69 PED Fri, 11 Apr 2014 00:08:42
Quantium Stone 61 PED Fri, 11 Apr 2014 00:08:32
Crude Oil 217 PED Fri, 11 Apr 2014 00:05:46
Quantium Stone 61 PED Fri, 11 Apr 2014 00:08:32
Crude Oil 217 PED Fri, 11 Apr 2014 00:05:46
Lysterium Stone 269 PED Fri, 11 Apr 2014 00:04:33
Ganganite Stone 286 PED Thu, 10 Apr 2014 23:56:52
Growth Molecules 70 PED Thu, 10 Apr 2014 20:39:05
Lytairian Dust 57 PED Thu, 10 Apr 2014 20:35:56
Quantium Stone 76 PED Thu, 10 Apr 2014 19:52:19
Caldorite Stone 77 PED Thu, 10 Apr 2014 19:51:48
Fire Root Globule 70 PED Thu, 10 Apr 2014 19:29:34
Growth Molecules 197 PED Thu, 10 Apr 2014 19:28:39
Lysterium Stone 282 PED Thu, 10 Apr 2014 19:27:38
Narcanisum Stone 57 PED Thu, 10 Apr 2014 19:00:58
Quantium Stone 83 PED Thu, 10 Apr 2014 18:46:25
Lysterium Stone 83 PED Thu, 10 Apr 2014 18:38:42
Dianthus Liquid 92 PED Thu, 10 Apr 2014 18:29:16
Typonolic Steam 71 PED Thu, 10 Apr 2014 18:26:49
Caldorite Stone 76 PED Thu, 10 Apr 2014 18:26:34
Typonolic Steam 361 PED Thu, 10 Apr 2014 03:01:03
Dianthus Liquid 282 PED Thu, 10 Apr 2014 02:59:35
Fire Root Globule 326 PED Thu, 10 Apr 2014 02:59:19
Lysterium Stone 60 PED Thu, 10 Apr 2014 02:36:57
Quantium Stone 76 PED Thu, 10 Apr 2014 02:36:45
Lysterium Stone 324 PED Thu, 10 Apr 2014 02:30:13
Lysterium Stone 317 PED Thu, 10 Apr 2014 02:27:22
Fire Root Globule 278 PED Thu, 10 Apr 2014 02:26:09
Lysterium Stone 71 PED Thu, 10 Apr 2014 02:22:28
Lysterium Stone 77 PED Thu, 10 Apr 2014 02:22:02
Frigulite Stone 145 PED Wed, 09 Apr 2014 20:30:55
Frigulite Stone 302 PED Wed, 09 Apr 2014 20:25:29
Typonolic Steam 366 PED Wed, 09 Apr 2014 20:23:04
Ganganite Stone 5 849 PED Wed, 09 Apr 2014 20:23:04
Narcanisum Stone 227 PED Wed, 09 Apr 2014 19:35:40
Fire Root Globule 72 PED Wed, 09 Apr 2014 15:49:52
Lysterium Stone 65 PED Wed, 09 Apr 2014 13:45:05
Lysterium Stone 91 PED Wed, 09 Apr 2014 13:04:39
Narcanisum Stone 51 PED Wed, 09 Apr 2014 10:47:02
Lysterium Stone 57 PED Wed, 09 Apr 2014 10:36:33
Crude Oil 55 PED Wed, 09 Apr 2014 10:14:01

Its a wonderful way to make ped! I wont do it because I think its profiting due to a bad programing by MA, but plenty of others are...go join them!!!

It's been reported to MA again. By me again.

I noticed something was wrong last night, flew there and watched them...I ran 900 ped and got back 750 to test if it was fucked like the 2 rt bugs I reported, or like the first Monria bug that I read about but didn't witness, but was 80% return so I thought it was normal...but after logging in again today and watching, and seeing the crowd there, I realized I was mining wrong! JUst go follow the guys you see hoffing there right now. Do what they do!!!


You are welcome EU. Hit rates up the wazoo!!!!

So every 5 minutes, the resources in the ground reset there and can be mined?
Maybe you could provide vid? as looking at tracker it might be regular player also, just luck in every few minutes (dont know the amount of drops) but vid could help.

Anyways if it is true, i hope the frogman gets banned.

Taco i see for who you talkin ... but i think he is hardoce gambler since he do this from few weeks . I dont believe this is exploit. For all who want check his fl write Unfortunate and you will see

This miner may have just found a very rich patch when you saw him. It's not uncommon on foma/monria/underground to find a rich patch that gives you claims almost every drop. You can't do this all day or over and over on the same spot but for a brief time it can happen.

Suppose you've figured out where and when claims respawn so you can get a much higher hit rate and get TT profit. Is that actually exploiting in the bannable sense? Maybe not... if it's not a bug, the system would be functioning as intended, just bad design on the part of the developers. Of course, if there's some bug or glitch that causes the claims to spawn in a predictable manner like this, then obviously that would be exploiting. In any case, the devs need to get their act together and fix mining so we have some normal returns again.

That's fine, maybe he is, but I damn sure know that he is only mining in spawns, and the spawns have tons of claims, so go get some!!!

Before MA fixes this shitty mining program they have there...

I am all for hardcore gamblers, I am one too, and the last thing I would want is for someone to say I am exploiting when I am not or cuz I had a hot streak, but the claim dispersion there is laughable, so much so, that I felt it could be considered exploit because its so easy to figure out where and when to drop a bomb.

Others are doing it, so can you!

That was the point of this thread, to ruin it for them, by having people follow them around and watching what they do and doing it themselves.

He stayed in this crater for 3 days for a reason. One that was easy to see.

MA needs to straighten this out. Once 50 people are there doing it, maybe they will finally spend some time on fixing the mining system and claim dispersion. The dispersion and frequency of claims has been directly the problem in the 3 previous mining bugs, and its still a problem.

Neil Stockton said:

Say you've figured out where and when claims respawn (ie. it's not random) so you can get a much higher hit rate and get TT profit. Is that actually exploiting in the bannable sense? Maybe not... if it's not a bug, the system would be functioning as intended, just bad design on the part of the developers. Of course, if there's some bug or glitch that causes the claims to spawn in a predictable manner like this, then obviously that would be exploiting. In any case, the devs need to get their act together and fix mining so we have some normal returns again.

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Agreed, mods please change title to "How to profit on mining due to bad programming"

I report for mods to change title...

I think I used too strong of language, so I softened up the OP.

40 % return in mining for me again this week... and when i see stuff like that, it totally sux. Also the shutdown in the morning today after 15 Mobs without any loot... tells me there is something wrong.

Maybe time for a break again...

if ist really another Exploit... MA start PERM BANS !

Hello m8 , at first i want you to say that your pm is full, so clear a bit because i cannot write you a pm.

Jeanni said:

if ist really another Exploit... MA start PERM BANS !

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you are joking ? go and exploit with others. ma dont care, since it is from your pool not mas, noone was banned last time me+gunsout wrote a support cases.

exploites was just laughting .

so that is why i will never post any simmilar here in forum, because ma + forum trolls does not deserve it.

I used to be a hardcore miner last time. THe above stats dont really show a bug. coz, it is common for claims to be found next to each other. Claims of enmats found with ores.

it takes 12 seconds to run from one spot to another. Apparently, the stats just show intermittent times where the miner found a "hot zone" (6-7 claims in a radius of 80 m). Happens to me all the time in foma and hell.

About them mining in mobs, I heard from many sources that miners with armours love doing that. coz they believe that other miners dont mine in those areas, hence not "activating" the claim deeds there.

Just to add. There was a day I was mining in Main Arena, I did a carpet bomb strat mining enmats and ores. I hit like a total of 18+ claims in the area in one run. THat was so unbelievable that I was kinda like screaming in soc chat. If I mined with a lvl 8, it would look worst than this data haha. U see claims every 12-60 secs interval. lol

Maybe its his lucky day =)

So yeah cheers for him too. U may get as lucky as him one day

I have mined there in the mob spawns a lot, never seen anything irregular there. In fact its the same crater where i once had ~150 NRF in row. But thanks for tip, ill go check it out haha.

its also possible to get 40 nrf in a row mining these spawns, just saying

yeah super. now hunters and producers have to pay for that exploited ped s ?
best way the Server gets a rollback or we l see a new wave of banns for the abuser hopefully.

Felix Kiste said:

yeah super. now hunters and producers have to pay for that exploited ped s ?
best way the Server gets a rollback or we l see a new wave of banns for the abuser hopefully.

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stupid people and the church gets beaten

i sayd there is more such places, just needed to listen and this stillis not last.

exploit or suffer this is only opinion you will get now

Most of posters miss the point.. OP said he only drops bomb and find claims (atleast thats how i undestrood) (no drops between them, IF he drops bombs between the finds then it is very normal and no exploit at all)

So :
Scenario 1: Miner drops 3 bombs gets 3 hofs and then waits 5 minutes and drops again 3 bombs and gets 3 hofs, and so on (then it sure looks like a bug)

Scenario 2: miner drops 3 bombs gets 3 hofs, miner drops 80 bombs get 0 finds, drops 3 bombs gets 2 hofs... then it is regular mining pattern.

BTW i love dropping bombs in mob spawns (specially big ass mobs, as most miners stay away from them and more chance (atleast thats what i love to believe) to find something.

Video is needed about this mining technique to see if it is a exploit or just lvl13 mining.

whiteknut said:

Most of posters miss the point.. OP said he only drops bomb and find claims (atleast thats how i undestrood) (no drops between them, IF he drops bombs between the finds then it is very normal and no exploit at all)

So :
Scenario 1: Miner drops 3 bombs gets 3 hofs and then waits 5 minutes and drops again 3 bombs and gets 3 hofs, and so on (then it sure looks like a bug)

Scenario 2: miner drops 3 bombs gets 3 hofs, miner drops 80 bombs get 0 finds, drops 3 bombs gets 2 hofs... then it is regular mining pattern.

BTW i love dropping bombs in mob spawns (specially big ass mobs, as most miners stay away from them and more chance (atleast thats what i love to believe) to find something.

Video is needed about this mining technique to see if it is a exploit or just lvl13 mining.

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Ei gunsout ? we dont need to describe how exploit worx, go buy us amps and mine for us, just give proffit back .

how lame you are video ?

go and do vieo yourself or you want he even make step by step how to do it ?

lame people.

I call it bs, 200 double drops and same old 6% hit. Did taco buy monria shares? ^^

Jimi Herb said:

I call it bs, 200 double drops and same old 6% hit. Did taco buy monria shares? ^^

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so actually you went there to exploit

wow how you people are predictable ))


how you are different from others which are ruening game returns ?

ktpsmf said:

so actually you went there to exploit

wow how you people are predictable ))


how you are different from others which are ruening game returns ?

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Ill just use ur own words

ktpsmf said:

exploit or suffer this is only opinion you will get now

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I dont have to explain u how, why or where i play. If u wanna talk shit, write it in PM. This thread is about (possible) bug. If u read my last post u see i told im going there to test it out. Do u really think im so stupid to tell everyone im going exploiting?

Damn, I missed such thread.

Low probability events still happen. I just had three devil's tail claims next to each other (and fourth ~150 m away) - how common/likely is that?

...and them MA decided to restart the server - probably it was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Continue, noobs, continue.

Standard mining with high amps @ indoors. "Exploiting", yeah.

I guess I'm not seeing the problem here. The swirls that the OP posted were achieved over a 38 hour period of time.

Now, while I am not a miner, I decided to give a go with an amp (lvl 6, iirc), and hey, I got 3 swirls in less than an hour. Now, that was just single drops, ore only. So, I have to wonder how odd it is for someone using a lvl 13 amp, doing double drops, looking for ore and enmatter, to get a multitude of swirls over a 38 hour period? It's not been uncommon for me to see an avatar spamming the global channel with swirls.

Sunsout Gunsout said:

Agreed, mods please change title to "How to profit on mining due to bad programming"

I report for mods to change title...

I think I used too strong of language, so I softened up the OP.

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please, if you are going to adjust your behaviour due to what that guy says then im disappointed in you, hes a advisor on one of the other planets that has a history of making claims that he has absolutely no evidence for.

exploiters should be shot! (in pvp of course) and/or banned, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck its a f-in cheating scumbag whatever some guy deluded person with his head stuck up, um, ill rephrase, with his head stuck in the sand, says.

lately the average PCF topic is more of a popcorn seller then the average movie in a theatre i'm sure.

Taco, the person you're accusing - whose stats you're quoting in your OP - is just having a pretty good run, he's a serious miner who routinely uses big amps on indoor mining - minimum level 7, sometimes up to level 13.
I've known him since about 2007 - this is how he mines. Before VU10 he was a CND specialist.
When he hits a long bad run, he takes a long break.
My guess is that he's amping even higher than usual given his recent 20+k tower.

As you've got nothing on any exploit other than accusing a long-term highly skilled player for having a good run, then I'm gonna close this thread.

As for the rest of you, knock off the petty squabbling.

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I'm unlocking this at Frog's request to allow him to respond to Taco's allegations.

UNFORTUNATE FROG Responding to malicious accusations on this board by “Sunsout Tacotuesday”.

Hello all. My name in Entropia is Unfortunate Frog. I wanted to reply here to an accusation made recently by a person referred to as “Sunsout Tacotuesday”. This accusation has caused me some issues in game and I hope I can help resolve ANY questions people have about my behavior and my play style etc as well as his accusation that somehow MA has created some sort of situation on Monria where players are able to take advantage of a “bug” or “exploit” there. To put it quite bluntly, I do NOT use any sort of bug or exploit, purposeful or accidental. I never have and never will use an exploit and have the utmost disdain for those who do and feel they can cheat in life and take an ‘easy’ way to achieve goals others must work hard, and take large risks to achieve. Sort of like what Taco has chosen to do by attacking me personally in a sniping fashion on these forums, instead of investigating and understanding why it is that I hit big claims in multiple runs. In fact, I am happy to talk with anyone and would have gladly told him and shown him exactly what I do. I often bring others with me on ‘follow’, who want to learn my techniques.
That being said, I am offended, angry and frankly, a bit hurt that some stranger has decided to judge my behavior and attack me personally out of some sort of jealousy, spite, or passive aggressive desire to injure someone and their reputation because of their own personal issues within the structure of Entropia. I do not want to diminish the fact that people DO use exploits and they should be investigated and action should be taken against them and their account. I am a big into INTEGRITY HONESTY HARD WORK in REAL LIFE AND Entropia. Part of the reason I joined the society I did here, is because they are some of the highest quality people I know AND we also espouse these values. Tacos attacks against me not only make him look like a jerk (in my opinion) to those who know me, but if they had come from someone who actually has integrity, they could potentially harm my Society’s reputation, MA itself, the culture here, and me. If anyone knows me here, they know I am a good person and they know that I have been generous and kind and fair to/with others.
I have been in the Universe for a LONG time and have been examining the mining thing for YEARS. If I have some success, which I have (many towers for example in MANY different Places…PVP4 for example----NOT JUST MONRIA), it does not mean I am automatically a cheater. Nor, do long runs with high output. One other mention: On Monria, I have my best successes in West Crater. I now know that crater like the back of my hand as well as the caves. I have spent months on Monria learning about it. I love it. It’s a great place to mine and so is Arkadia (I have been spending time here too). I used to mine a lot at the Neverdie Asteroid. I took a long break and came back. At this point I left the Asteroid and explored the new worlds which were not in existence when I left. I stayed in Monria. One thing Taco does not mention and of course this is something that is not reported formally….I FAIL A LOT. I spend thousands of PED on amps and come back dry as a bone. Taco is impulsive to think that he can look at numbers and offer a blanket libelous, irresponsible claim without proper investigation or even just an attempt to contact me. I have read his other posts which I suggest all of you do. One thought I have about Taco is that perhaps he is akin to the salesperson in training who is intimidated by the numbers, or the amount of $ that he is tasked with to sell. In other words, people spend MILLIONS of dollars in this “game” (although it is not always necessary for GREAT SUCCESS), and just as the sales manager might use an analogy for the salesperson to quell his nerves such as “we spend that amount on coffee each month….its a business”, maybe Taco needs to know that Frog spends 5, 10 or 20 x the run he is upset about on amps each month. Dunno.
When I started, I built up slowly and steadily. It took me a long time to be able to have a run like this one. To put this clearly for those who are new, everyone has long runs on occasion and especially more so as you learn more about the game and understand the nature of mobs etc. My particular runs get noticed as would anyone else’s who just had a long run using multiple Terra 9, Terra 10, 13s and 12s. I was on Ark last night and had a very similar run. Also for newer players, I hit two towers recently, a 6k and a 28k. When someone hits a tower or two, generally they amp up or spend more on their profession. In my case its mining, so I obviously am using more PED toward amps and trying to get bigger claims, and am more able to justify the expense. Taco is against this idea for some reason. He wants everyone to be successful, but in his mind they should next be a failure. In my opinion, if Taco were a football player, he would go into the game thinking “we are going to lose today”, or perhaps he would just route for the other team if he was on the bench.
To close, this is also lame as it gets- that I have to address Taco’s loose cannon B.S. regarding that FATEFUL RUN because I LOST MONEY on that run----I buy Terra 10s and Terra 9s by the dozen, 13s and 12s, and 7 upon 7 and 5s and spend more ped than this Taco cares to consider as MAYBE a POSSIBLE and LIKELY reason why my runs are perhaps a BIT MORE NOTICEABLE. Taco, you are a turkey. You owe me an apology on this board. Thanks to all who have made my experience great in this fantastic and genius world of Entropia. If anyone has any questions for me I am happy to reply and would have replied to this thread but it was closed when I was made aware. I had another idea for a response that was going to plainly say “blah, blah, blah” but exploiting is a serious issue and I feel I should respond to this impulsive person’s post with some thought. Take care all.

Frog.

Taco clearly haven't done long big amp runs to understand the dynamic your going through Frog It may look like profit but it is actually a lose from the many NRF before such a streak happens. Its the big Towers that make profits for big amps.

UnfortunateFrog said:

Hello all. My name in Entropia is Unfortunate Frog. If anyone has any questions for me I am happy to reply and would have replied to this thread but it was closed when I was made aware. I had another idea for a response that was going to plainly say “blah, blah, blah” but exploiting is a serious issue and I feel I should respond to this impulsive person’s post with some thought. Take care all.

Frog.

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Nice post. People are quick to judge.............