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    Dealing With Kill Stealers during Migration...

    So every migration, no matter how good MindArk makes the spawns, no matter how spread out, no matter how dense, some people will do whatever possible to exploit MindArk's systems to gain a financial advantage, including Kill Stealing.

    KSing is an exploit, make no mistake. If you spend peds damaging a mob and taking armor decay but then someone purposefully comes along, ignores mobs standing right next to them that no one has shot, and then starts shooting your mob there is a specific reason. That reason is they are trying to save themselves a few ped on the kill... at your expense. It is an exploit in the system that MindArk has created.

    I shouldn't have to use my top DPS all of the time, especially when hunting small Longtooth. Small LT are the perfect mob for skilling Melee, MindForce, and other professions that most of us are a bit lower in skilled on. With that said, I do make a point to bring a 80-90 DPS weapon with me to deal with the occasional Kill Stealer and for most of them, that's sufficient.

    So we can deal with KSers in various ways. We can out DPS them and we can ask them in chat to stop. For most that works, but others continue, so then we can move to a different area... but then some will follow you. Some still continue, so you can argue it in chat.. but then some still continue and this is the point in which it breaks the EULA because they are ruining the game play experience of other participants.

    At this stage after experiencing this, some people will get into an all out argument in chat with the KSer, leave the hunting area completely, do mob trains, call in others from their soc and form a team, file a support case, etc.

    Today I decided to try something new, using new features that MindArk has made available.

    First, I opened Contacts and unchecked all the radio buttons except for "Nearby"

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    From there you can click on the persons name and navigate your way to Society Info about their soc just the same as if you were at the society terminal. Most good societies will boot a member for this kind of behavior but every once in awhile, it's the society leader who is doing it

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    So in situations like this, its easy to condemn an entire society, especially when its the soc leader/founder who is acting like this because one would assume this isnt the first time this has happened. Yet, in this example I recognize some of these names and believe they are good people. So maybe they just dont know?

    So with the new features available to us, I also opened up my Message Center which is the little button that looks like a WiFi logo on the top left of our screens. While standing out among the LongTooth spawn, I composed a new message and using the list of society members, I sent an offline message to every person in that society I possibly could. Thankfully we can send bulk messages to numerous people at once.

    I think the normal reaction people would have to this is to message me back and ask questions and ask for proof. <removed>

    So at this stage, I'm just not gonna play their game, a small chat argument ensued and ended like this

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    From that point, I just stood there without moving, shooting, or doing anything until they got bored and left. I suppose I could have asked others in my soc to come help with DPS but thats a bit childish.

    Unfortunately until MindArk starts more diligently enforcing its own harassment policies, there just isn't a whole lot we can do aside from spreading awareness of these issues. Thus, here we are in this thread.
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    This is where it needed to be caught on stream.

    Btw... in before Max is temp banned by overmods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atomicstorm View Post
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    Btw... in before Max is temp banned by overmods.
    Well, Im not naming and shaming scammers here. Threads like this get posted every migration and throughout the year so I dont see how this is any different.
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    /mod note/
    2.3 - Personal Disputes
    Personal issues between individuals or societies should NOT be debated in the public forum areas and are not permitted. Such threads will be removed without notice, since they often promote an escalation of rudeness, insults, and flaming. If you feel that another member has attacked you unfairly, send a private message to a forum moderator or administrator. If you feel that an Entropia Universe participant has wronged, defrauded or harassed you, file a support case at PlanetCalypso.com.
    So - discuss the issue of killstealing by all means BUT keep it to the general, rather than specific personal/soc issues.
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    I guess he will need to post this over at EP or somewhere else where people can actually read about events and (in other events) scammers to save themselves hundreds of thousands of ped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serica View Post
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    So - discuss the issue of killstealing by all means BUT keep it to the general, rather than specific personal/soc issues.
    One of these days we will need to have a public debate on whether or not the rules of this forum are too draconian, and if they are in fact a real disservice to the EU community as a whole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by atomicstorm View Post
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    I guess he will need to post this over at EP or somewhere else where people can actually read about events and (in other events) scammers to save themselves hundreds of thousands of ped.
    Done.
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    I like the idea with informing their soc leader. Actually that's what i always try 1st.
    Didn't know u can access soc info right from the FL. Neat!

    Something everybody already knows, but i'll write it down here again just in case:

    Fast'n'easy way to deal with any stalker: Set online status -> "Invisible". Use good old TP chip.
    Will take ages to find you again, even if u only jumped a few hundred meters.
    ( and if u dont have TP chip, get one, or ppl might get the wrong impression u some useless noob. :P )
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    I dealt with the same problem and when I lecture the person in chat everyone else in the area lectures me for lecturing them.....

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    You know, in the past I on occasion had the kill steal problem and I never thought to come whine on the forum...

    Get more dps, or film it and file a support case.
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