My Recent Shared Loot Experience

Taco is absolutely right. Go out and form a Big Group/Team so that people with lesser skills are able to kill the big bulks that they maybe normally wouldn't be able to solo. That is awesome and the whole point of shared loot.
But, don't go out and find one solo hunter and try to team up with them or shoot the mob they are killing but then as soon as aggro is lost on the person that was trying to solo them then stop to shoot or jump in Vtol because you don't want to get hit by the mob.

Anyways, maybe they'll introduce a new Non-Shared spawn of Big Bulks after the weekend and then everyone will have a Choice as to which spawn they would like to shoot at so that solo hunters get to choose if they want to shoot the mobs with the green shared symbol over their heads or not. Then there will be no point in having any discussion of this matter.

As noob as I am I really hate to hear all these whiners about soloing shared loot. Again Taco has said it best IMO. I was part of his entourage last night and it was a lot of fun and we got a few nice swirlies. With my low skills I know i can't solo these things and will NEVER encroach on someone who just wants to grind some solo. It basically boils down to one thing... "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" . Everyone gets pissed at poeple KSing your mobs then you walk in and do it to them and expect them not to get pissed? In shared loot I understand that there is no real KSing per se but still it's common courtesy to just avoid anyone who seems to be on their own unless invited.

Ok,

I kinda feel obligated to say something here.
I am a big proponent on Both Shared Loot and Soloing either shared or non shared.
I have in the past run around with a blob of people in shared as well as solo'd
I have ask people nicely until blue in the face when I want to solo to not shoot. 97% of the time they act as though they don't hear me and shoot anyway. There is that small % that say oh sorry no problem. and ofc those the larger % that says this is shared loot ill shoot if I want. (mind you there is no solo spawn non shared).
I have been nice and after being nice for a very long time I have gotten rude and abrupt before as well.

I have moved within the area before and have had people follow me (WTF). I once had someone follow me all over the spawn for damn near an hour. I then just said fuck it and logged off.

Now, this is what I wanna point out. Everyone automatically wants to say its greed that drives people to want to solo the mobs and not shared.
In my opinion, its not a matter of greed, its a matter of survival and pure statistics.

If I have been shooting solo for 12hr and losing and losing and losing, statistically it will drop eventually and I will get back some or all of my losses. If a new variable come into the equation, a number of things can happen.

things could not change
an item can drop goes to 1 of the 2 or more shooting now
a hof with no items even splits based on dmg

in my experience im at a disadvantage when hunting with high dps ( my gun apparently does not like to loot L items at all when shooting teamed shared)(it goes to the other person or persons) Not sure why that it, but knowing that is how I base whether I want to shoot with others or not.

Perfect example, last night I went and did the shared run with Taco's team. I am the highest dps. many items were looted, I did get exactly 0 items. While I knew this was the risk, I chose to do that after cycling 1000 ped I stopped and went to bed at a nice 48% return on ammo, nothing for decay. I had fun but at a very high cost.

So when im grinding for hours solo and have a huge loss, I surely do not want to share the payback I am hoping comes, the loss was mine all that time, shouldn't the payback be mine as well? The dynamic would be much different if you or anyone else were giving me peds to play with when I have lost all I had but because your obviously not gonna do that. I have to grind in a fashion that will allow me to get some peds back, and items L or UL or a huge hof that finally drops that would cover some or all of that loss going to someone who just popped in and took pop shots is not the way for that to work.

I have seen Shared loot give an opallo shooter a full ESI in the big groups, as well as big UL stuff when they have cycled next to nothing and there are 40 people there that have been shooting for hours at a huge deficit.

I have also hit a large uber all tt on a shared 6k ped it was and someone took pop shots with an opalo and walked away with about 500ped. Does that sound right?

So now I will address the below comments.

GoNi said:

And you don´t want to share that good loots, with players that don´t have the skills, gear, money to solo BB. So the moral of your statements are those that have should provide for those that have not or make up for their shortcomings? I wont say that's right or wrong but I will ask if that's the case what the purpose of skilling up and getting better gear is?????????????????????????

So all you noobs piss off, go hunt snables young untill you have a armor that cost +10k (Full Set), a weapon that cost +5k, and FAP that cost +10k.
But go to hell and let me loot all that nice uL items, the nice markups and Gazz and anything else from that big bulk, becaue you "NOOB" don´t deserve any "GOOD LOOT" This is a bit of a rant, that im commenting on but ok, its like this, if you know that it costs that kinda money to loot good as you say, then you for damn certain know your mooching on others money to try to obtain that which you couldn't on your own. Everyone wants to be on top at the beginning, take the time to go thru the stages gear up as you can and evis gen 1 or 2 is no super uber mob but damn sure dropps uber RX armor and L4, now u have more expensive gear. see how it works?

Thats seems to be exactly what you said, just choosen a few other words
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thats just selfish egoism!

Read my first reply and learn what happens if BB would be non shared, I already experienced that.
As said in my last post, we could have killed BB, but we couldn´t because UBERs always outdamaged us on them.When I was a much newer player this happened to me often as well, I know it sucks. What it did was make me want to get better, get a bigger team and better shit and ensure it doesn't happen again, so now when I solo, there be about 5 people in game that can out dps me so I need not worry about that, because what goes around comes around. Can everyone do that, no. Can they try, yes.

I give a shit about all your UBERNESS.

Most of the items that made them UBERs don´t drop anymore, so how someone should get into range of UBERNESS?
Even if something of it drops every here and then, it drops from event mobs, why we "NOOB" should acceppt (sorry have the etiquette) to let you UBERs loot all of it and then pay the insane markups to you UBERs to get it for us? This is simply a bullshit statement, the only things not dropping are mod and imp faps, the unique items, mm and imk's, shadow, supr, sentinel, vain, angel all still drop and from many things other than shared mobs

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Sidenote:
Actually I totally agree to JCs OP, it could be done in a nice way if there is enough people joining the fun, but if not enough (so called noobs) stick together I see it as fair enough if a few of them join into a solo hunters fight to get their share anyways.

Other sidenote:
If low player wants to join the fun of BB loot, but he has not the skills/gear and no team with the abiliity to kill a BB (choose to shoot beside an UBER soloing them). It could be considered bad etiquette if the UBER stops shooting in order to let this noob die. This noob rely on your skills and UBERNESS, and that you have the abillity to tank that mob. And you leave him alone. You are really nice guy!

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You would say its bad that I don't protect them and ensure they can do that which they obviously cannot do alone. I am not their parent, I have no responcibility to do that. For a person, noob, uber whatever level to come over and shoot with no armor, no fap, take no decay and have the same chanse of getting items is leeching. IF they were doing roughly the same dps and taking decay where the LOSS is shared it wouldn't be so bad.

Wildman Alpha said:

I agree with JC and Azzah, If I am out hunting bulks and I stop shooting after you did to let you die don't come back 3 more times if you can't handle them solo. I ain't taking the decay for you unless I invited you out there to begin with!

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This is exactly what I do. If I am CLEARLY solo'ing a Big Bulk (which I tagged and dragged away from anything else, in order to make the point that I am here to solo), I will stop shooting and let you die. But what aggravates me is when the person jumps into their Quad to avoid being hit. Seriously, it's my expensive armor and weapons being used for this kill, and I don't like the idea of losing a majority of the loot via item drops to someone who jumped in at the last moment.

I have never cursed at anyone or yelled out of anger when this happens, I just stop shooting and let them try to solo the mob. There are groups out there, go find them and join with them. But when you see one player tanking and soloing the mob, its clear they are there for solo loot.

How do we solve this issue? MA needs to add NON-SHARED spawns for big mobs like these Bulks. I also don't like HOFing on my own and seeing SHARED LOOT.

To those in this thread that are saying "WHAT ETIQUETTE? THESE UBERS BLAH BLAH BLAH"... don't generalize everyone on the actions of a few. If you see me, and don't have any reason to believe I'm one of those jerks, don't treat me like one of them.

EDIT: After reading Goni's rants, I'm just in awe. You believe its the responsibility of ubers to share loot from uber mobs? Sounds like socialism, but this game is clearly based on a capitalist economy. People that have put in their time and money should be allowed to have the freedom to solo big mobs. There are plenty of Bulks that spawn, join the group for those and don't expect solo'ers to share. There are PLENTY OF BULKS THAT SPAWN.

You don't get why we wouldn't want someone jumping in? Loot is based on damage when it comes to stackables, but not the weapons/armors/ESIs/chips that drop. It is RANDOM. Why would I want to do 95% to a mob and then have someone tag the mob a few times and have a 50% shot at getting a Supremacy armor part (as an example)? Think about how much more PED some of these people have lost compared to low-level or new players. Most of us aren't trying to profit, we're trying to find compensation for our expensive losses. I wouldn't call that greed.

EDIT #2: Well said, Lunchbox.

SirAzzah said:

But, don't go out and find one solo hunter and try to team up with them or shoot the mob they are killing but then as soon as aggro is lost on the person that was trying to solo them then stop to shoot or jump in Vtol because you don't want to get hit by the mob.

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You are absolutely right with this, and I understand the solo hunters anger when a single person tries to shoot their mob and then jumps in the vtol when they get aggro...

It happened to me with a famous cheater known to shoot Ark shared from behind the wall all day. I told him that I will stop shooting and move if he takes his vtol out again, and he left.

So I think there are 2 clear groups that you and Lunch are talking about, a large group tearing down the mobs is one thing, but a single noob putting shots in a solo-hunters mob and jumping in a vTol is another.

I agree, the latter is in bad taste, but again, repeat my mantra: Stop shooting or move. Yes, people should be kind enough to leave you alone if you ask, but the game allows them to do that, so it must be dealt with via the hunter at the moment it happens. There are no other options, and threads like Tees and posts claiming one group is better than the other are not going to help.

My recent shared loot experience:

Accidentally flew over a shared loot area on the way to mining.
Hopefully didn't cause inconvenience to anyone. (There was no one below but someone coming later might have been faced by the five minute timeout.)

It seems I miss a good deal of weapons-grade drama by avoiding shared loot though.

Thank you rave and LunchBox

exactly my sentiments, and im glad people are slowly starting to see the actual point and issue here thank you

TeesMaarKhan said:

Thank you rave and LunchBox

exactly my sentiments, and im glad people are slowly starting to see the actual point and issue here thank you

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Will give you one chance to explain this:

The reason I accused him of lying at first was because I asked 3 people from AoE, and they said you weren't online... If it wasn't you then someone must want to make you look bad...



Edit: nvm..it WAS you, I just found out for sure. Nice job griefing me with seller spam during my WoF event.

I agree to many points, but "Shared Loot Etiquette" defeats the purpose of shared loot.

I do want to comment on this idea:
"Please don't intrude on others hunting just because it's technically allowed."

Its not only technically allowed but designed with this in mind. I do not consider patrons at RL public events intruders by default, I think it just confuses a simple mechanic...its public and shared. There are options to make private events in the game as well.

The loot is shared and if anything if you have the firepower you win the a majority of the items anyhow. No room for anyone to complain ever at these events about mob stealing of any sort IMO. If I don't want to deal with that possibility, I hunt alone, problem solved.

I think the notion of getting mad about "our" or "my" mob in this instance is silly.
The purpose of shared loot, is to get newer players involved in mobs they cannot take down on their own.

I have never gotten upset over mobs in shared loot, and frankly would be concerned if I did. It is an event with the expectation we all share.

I actually enjoy finding the guy struggling with basic gear take down mobs he would not be taking down otherwise. And enjoy watching as new players join in on "my" mobs, while I take the aggro they actually can feel as if they are fighting vs reviving.

Aside from this, on other planets, where things are managed, events have a very different environment and expectation, "Shared Loot Etiquette" simply is never even brought up or considered most of the time, the goal is to kill.

I feel the biggest voices about intrusion of shared mobs comes from those who feel they deserve more, right wrong or otherwise, and usually because they have vested time and money.

Which I suppose is the magic of Entropia....people chasing what they think they deserve for that time and money.

My thoughts anyhow

I really can't understand why it's so fucking hard to leave someone alone who wants to hunt alone. It's as simple as that.

The few times I've intruded on a solo player whether it be shared or not is either because they're in trouble or I know I'd not take the loot if I helped.

If someone can obviously manage a kill on their own then there's no point in joining in even if it's a massive battle with lots of players.

But you will always get players who'll be arses no matter what just as irl. I've seen players killing low level mobs people are sweating asked not to but just carry on, 10 or 20 players all sweating and suddenly one comes in and goes on a killing spree when there's another spawn in visible distance that's completely devoid of players.

I guess it's the same excuse you have got people trolling twitter and such, it's not real life so it doesn't matter how they act.

We may think like this because the older players have been around longer than the enforced shared loot but even in the vu8 and 9 events you'd get people ks. Sometimes it's by accident, one time I was shooting a mob in one of the migration events but my team got separated and I was standing with another team I didn't realise until the mob was dead and I didn't get any loot. Another time during a bot event the spawns were too low and ks was rife even with a 1/3 of the bot's hp gone people would still try.

beautiful isnt it.....when people ask nicely before hand

TeesMaarKhan said:

beautiful isnt it.....when people ask nicely before hand

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Don't act like a nice guy...you were griefing me last night during my WoF qualifier, and I have proof. Apparently, you don't want to respond.

Sunsout Gunsout said:

Don't act like a nice guy...you were griefing me last night during my WoF qualifier, and I have proof. Apparently, you don't want to respond. Chicken-shit pussy.

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Thank you taco when people are nice to me im nice back to them its a 2 way thing.....hope you get some nice hofs ^^

TeesMaarKhan said:

Thank you taco when people are nice to me im nice back to them its a 2 way thing.....hope you get some nice hofs ^^

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Edited my previous post, I shouldn't call you names... but why were you greifing me last night, Tees? Why were you wasting innocent avatars time last night in twins telling them all to pm me during my WoF event. Please answer.

You both should meet at ring at Twins, and do this discussion at next level, using some guns

Sunsout Gunsout said:

Edited my previous post, I shouldn't call you names... but why were you greifing me last night, Tees? Why were you wasting innocent avatars time last night in twins telling them all to pm me during my WoF event. Please answer.

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no worries taco we all have our moments and happens to the best of us apology accepted....

TeesMaarKhan said:

no worries taco we all have our moments and happens to the best of us apology accepted....

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Well, that wasn't an apology, but I suppose I could let it be one. If....you apologize to me also for greifing me during my WoF event.


Then I will forget about what has happened

I for one, am sorry for being mean in your post about shared loot. And I will not shoot your shared mobs (and have never done that)

Sunsout Gunsout said:

Well, that wasn't an apology, but I suppose I could let it be one. If....you apologize to me also for greifing me during my WoF event.


Then I will forget about what has happened

I for one, am sorry for being mean in your post about shared loot. And I will not shoot your shared mobs (and have never done that)

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Well since it has got this the an apology is definitely due and I apologise.....yes I did but not to cause any major grief or anything and neither did i know you were at that actual time participating in wof....had I known I would never of done it and waited....I was just pulling your chain like you were mine in shared loot thread....Hope we can both move on from this.

I know i called you all sorts in thread and anything I said to you or anyone that upset them please believe me it was not personal or grudgy.... was just upset and bad timing....i just want to be able to apologise genuinely and humbly for any wrong doing on my part....Hope you all hof big and enjoy your time in eu.

Regards
Tees

Ahhhhh the soap operas of EU! We should all go to PVP4 and hug it out!

Glad to see you had fun JC

For the other people: The accepted concept for freedom is that one can do anything he wants as long as he does not intrude upon another's freedom. Think on this

TeesMaarKhan said:

Well since it has got this the an apology is definitely due and I apologise.....yes I did but not to cause any major grief or anything and neither did i know you were at that actual time participating in wof....had I known I would never of done it and waited....I was just pulling your chain like you were mine in shared loot thread....Hope we can both move on from this.

I know i called you all sorts in thread and anything I said to you or anyone that upset them please believe me it was not personal or grudgy.... was just upset and bad timing....i just want to be able to apologise genuinely and humbly for any wrong doing on my part....Hope you all hof big and enjoy your time in eu.

Regards
Tees

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I appreciate and fully accept the apology and admire what you have written on the other thread too . I understand your point and totally agree that if there are enough shared mobs, then people should give solo hunters their space once the solo hunter asks them to please stop. (Also, for the record, I also think that if there are lots of solo hunters out there and big groups can't find any mobs, then ALL shared are fair game for ALL hunters, regardless of if people are trying to solo.).


I know in your case, they were trying to leech off you, and there were probably plenty of other mobs there for them to shoot at. So I understand your frustration, too. I probably should have given you more time to cool down before I jumped on you

So: my final thought...lots of mobs, give solo hunters their space...few mobs and lots of solo hunters, then the solo hunters need to accept people shooting their mob

Sunsout Gunsout said:

I appreciate and fully accept the apology and admire what you have written on the other thread too . I understand your point and totally agree that if there are enough shared mobs, then people should give solo hunters their space once the solo hunter asks them to please stop. (Also, for the record, I also think that if there are lots of solo hunters out there and big groups can't find any mobs, then ALL shared are fair game for ALL hunters, regardless of if people are trying to solo.).


I know in your case, they were trying to leech off you, and there were probably plenty of other mobs there for them to shoot at. So I understand your frustration, too. I probably should have given you more time to cool down before I jumped on you

So: my final thought...lots of mobs, give solo hunters their space...few mobs and lots of solo hunters, then the solo hunters need to accept people shooting their mob

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Al good my brother all good much appreciated...

Raven Lunchbox said:

Ok,


in my experience im at a disadvantage when hunting with high dps ( my gun apparently does not like to loot L items at all when shooting teamed shared)(it goes to the other person or persons) Not sure why that it, but knowing that is how I base whether I want to shoot with others or not.

Perfect example, last night I went and did the shared run with Taco's team. I am the highest dps. many items were looted, I did get exactly 0 items. While I knew this was the risk, I chose to do that after cycling 1000 ped I stopped and went to bed at a nice 48% return on ammo, nothing for decay. I had fun but at a very high cost.

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I can second this, I was highest dmg getting my points for mission on longtooth waves. after first update mid migration. The items no longer dropped based on odds per dmg. I have been trying to track this, it seems items now drop odds per a person shooting. Have not tried opalo vs big dmg/sec. but have tested it at myself doing 90 dmg/sec vs someone with 45 dmg/sec. we got same amount of items every time.

Who is right and who is wrong?

I can only agree to the posts saying shared loot is not only for those who can handle it solo. In fact shared loot is a part of the social part of the game and its not needed to form any team.

I myself went to those longtooth place and must say nobody left me as "normal player" alone and stopped shooting or didnt heal me. It made fun even i knew my liitle marcorp gun was not even half good as those guns from the other players. and nobody wanted me to stop shooting. this is only to show that the word "etiquette" has no one-way meaning from ubers to other players but vice versa too!

in other words - what the hell prevents you ubers who want to have all the loot for you only to let others play too shooting "your" mob? if you want to do a solo hunt then do - there are so many big mob ingame it really is easy to find some for u too. and if not - why not changing the weapon to a lower one so that the costs are somewhat lower too? and stay friendly nice and helpful to those who cant do like u do by the skill restriction. otherwise u dont deserve to be in a social MMO.

always remember - there was a time when u were thankful for the help of ubers ... now its time for a little payback ! and if you think different and like to stay on the selfish posing side then simply stay away from shared loot.

PhoenixxFP said:

I can only agree to the posts saying shared loot is not only for those who can handle it solo. In fact shared loot is a part of the social part of the game and its not needed to form any team.

I myself went to those longtooth place and must say nobody left me as "normal player" alone and stopped shooting or didnt heal me. It made fun even i knew my liitle marcorp gun was not even half good as those guns from the other players. and nobody wanted me to stop shooting. this is only to show that the word "etiquette" has no one-way meaning from ubers to other players but vice versa too!

in other words - what the hell prevents you ubers who want to have all the loot for you only to let others play too shooting "your" mob? if you want to do a solo hunt then do - there are so many big mob ingame it really is easy to find some for u too. and if not - why not changing the weapon to a lower one so that the costs are somewhat lower too? and stay friendly nice and helpful to those who cant do like u do by the skill restriction. otherwise u dont deserve to be in a social MMO.

always remember - there was a time when u were thankful for the help of ubers ... now its time for a little payback ! and if you think different and like to stay on the selfish posing side then simply stay away from shared loot.

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PhoenixxFP said:

always remember - there was a time when u were thankful for the help of ubers ... now its time for a little payback ! and if you think different and like to stay on the selfish posing side then simply stay away from shared loot.

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I'm no uber but i think people like yourself blow things out of proportion..

My reasons to hunt alone:

Because on Longtooth for instance i am watching TV and I'm doing the mission so can't be arsed
following some player or players that are tagging mobs all over the joint as it means i have to concentrate.

I chose the shared location because there was lots of mobs all packed together easy killin no having to run around finding a mob plus there was no non shared spawns.

I know exactly when to heal and what i can take and i know where all the red dots are around me so i constantly move to avoid agro.

I use a mind force chip with short range which means if someone has a gun i end up missing the mob as they drag it towards them.

Your reason i hunt alone:

I'M POSING TO ALL THE LITTLE MINIONS WHO AREN'T WORTHY OF MY TIME.

You also don't get to tell anyone to stay away from shared loot... it's kinda shared.

PhoenixxFP said:

I can only agree to the posts saying shared loot is not only for those who can handle it solo. In fact shared loot is a part of the social part of the game and its not needed to form any team.

I myself went to those longtooth place and must say nobody left me as "normal player" alone and stopped shooting or didnt heal me. It made fun even i knew my liitle marcorp gun was not even half good as those guns from the other players. and nobody wanted me to stop shooting. this is only to show that the word "etiquette" has no one-way meaning from ubers to other players but vice versa too!

in other words - what the hell prevents you ubers who want to have all the loot for you only to let others play too shooting "your" mob? if you want to do a solo hunt then do - there are so many big mob ingame it really is easy to find some for u too. and if not - why not changing the weapon to a lower one so that the costs are somewhat lower too? and stay friendly nice and helpful to those who cant do like u do by the skill restriction. otherwise u dont deserve to be in a social MMO.

always remember - there was a time when u were thankful for the help of ubers ... now its time for a little payback ! and if you think different and like to stay on the selfish posing side then simply stay away from shared loot.

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You must not have read this entire thread, because much of what you said has already been answered.

There are so many Big Bulks that spawn at any given time there is NO reason for anyone to say its selfish of ubers to kill some solo. Go find the other players that are teaming up and hang with them. It's one thing if a player is solo killing a shared mob that has 1 spawn at a time (like Old Fred). But when there are a hundred of any given mob in one area, this leaves enough for people to team on AND people to solo on.

It's 'selfish' to force players to play by your scheme. Especially when MA hasn't given us a spawn of non-shared, rare mobs. Go find me a field of non-shared bulks so I don't have to shoot your shared mobs.

Well i just hit in the waspnet

fine because if there wouldnt have been such answers i would have been scared.

to say this - nobody is "forced" to do anything but please ... dont try to force US to stay away from YOUR "shared loot" mob ... You are not any little thing better other players are . You can play with us or against us - but playing against us would mean you would be ignorant posing freeloaders - and that is not what i really think you are ... hmm okay most of you not.

And "shared loot" is "shared" so if you dont want to share with others just dont shoot the mob or live with it to shoot and maybe have more costs - its your risk only

discussion closed for me - nothing to say without repeating me or other player