Fed up!

Blind or illiterate, you are?

Kim|Calypso stated in the interview;

[The question of the interviewer];
-Also, say you loot an uber item (modfap, etc) and you don't plan on using it. Do you have to tt it? Do you have to toss it on auction? What if the item was looted in team - how would you go about splitting it?

[Kim|Calypso's answer];
We play like regular avatars, its up to the employee in question to make that determination

Stop making a fool out of yourself, Sissy

It says "like", not "as". They are limited in a number of ways that you aren't.

Are you going to ruin this thread too? How does Kim playing EU have anything to do with a rant from the OP on bad returns when hunting way too big mobs? Why don't you keep that in the other thread you posted?
 
I am not mocking anybody specific and my writings are aimed usually at the context and not the ava himself. I could'nt mock myself because i know with 100% surety i can profit in any 3 professions of the game ( hunting, mining or crafting) and no force other then MA can change that and they will have to do it by brute force method. I profit a lot more from trading but that is not something i need to do to profit in EU.

Consider EU as a learning game instead of a slot machine and you will be surprised as to how much you have yet to learn. I know of lvl 100+ players and people here for 10+ years who know crap all about how EU works. Those who know are happy and playing and do really well and for obvious reasons don't come much to forums to whine and spend more time researching the in game mechanics.

EU is an rce and that means YOUR LEVEL is not decided just by the professional standing you have but also the monetary funding you have. You have grown out of a Civic and confident enough to drive a ferrari in real life does not mean that you can afford to. You can keep whining about how good at driving you have become but that does not mean you can drive one much less own one. Like racing, this is also a hobby which can get as expensive as YOU want. The problem is everyone considers themselves entitled to things which does not work in real life and nor does it work here.

For those who think more people are leaving the game then joining, you need to get out of the cocoon of this forum and actually meet people in game. The game has been more active last 2 months then i have seen since i started playing EU 4 1/2 years back. There are new people depositing more then all the whiners on pcf combined. Still you want to play the doomsday message, keep going.

There are whiners and winners in real life too. Your destiny is in your hands, make what you can of it.

Divinity

no point in arguing with you. I am happy for you, that you took over my vacant seat for beeing the biggest fanboy (or fangirl) of EU. But in the game that i played for years, we didnt sell MMs and Eons, we used it and for good reason. Why dont you do that? Go try out the stuff you sell, i offer you 1k ped bulk for all you sell in your signature, it doesnt seem to be worth any more by now under the current circumstances.

I see an economy that is one/seventh of the size it was 21 months ago. And back when Pham played in 2005, back when i started in 2006 it was probably 20 times bigger than it is today. Back when you started, MA invented what we used to call the 4th and 5th world, in other terms the micro economy of puny mob, bombs for 10 pec and such.(back then we reffered to OJs as those who are jelous about the earnings of barf bag making indian children, no pun intended, i am not racist in any aspect, i am just saying loud what we whispered back then. Pure coincidence and honesty i tell it to someone from india). Well now the whole community seemed to have made a huge leap towards that direction.

I find it funny people try to nail me down on making profits. I never profited in EU in a monetary way and i never will. My payments in this game were a propper english, a propper world view, i learned how to do the math, i have become keen and perceptive and focusing, i know when to be silent and when to get loud, i feel like a propper civil uproar is badly needed. And my payment is the community, the status i have in it and the fun and entertainment this game gave me upto this point.

And if you dont share my problem, be as happy as you could be. Lucky you. Just accept that other players are pretty much trapped where they stand now.

About the learner-thing. In RL i studied philosophy, psychology and history with a focus on science theory, i am currently writing my doctor papers about conciousness-philosophy and i am back after a 20 months break because team DACH, the reigning WoF-champion need their champ-captain again and the society Odysseus Unbound needs their philosopher. I am one of the biggest learners you will ever meet, 2 hours with my friendlist and you learn more about the game than others in a year. If you want to front me on this side come back when you shot a million mobs and dropped a million probes, traded for years, played space taxi driver for years, virtually turned every stone on Calypso, helped to start a project of the size of Big Industries, killed many ubahs (at least once) in pvp, won WoF, made a screenie of Rei saying: World Domination accomplished! and stuff like that. You think any of those things could be done without learning?

Look again at your signature and wonder what its worth and what it was worth some time ago. Its a pitty what it will be worth in the future if the general direction stays the same.

So i pass this back to you, start to learn about the relations beween gun-size, skills and loot and dont blame me for starting the doomsday scenario, i am actually doing you a favor.
 
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It says "like", not "as". They are limited in a number of ways that you aren't.

Are you going to ruin this thread too? How does Kim playing EU have anything to do with a rant from the OP on bad returns when hunting way too big mobs? Why don't you keep that in the other thread you posted?

As if Kim|Calypso has enough english grammar knowledge to know the difference, to him its either tomejto or tomatou, stop being silly
 
It says "like", not "as". They are limited in a number of ways that you aren't.

Are you going to ruin this thread too? How does Kim playing EU have anything to do with a rant from the OP on bad returns when hunting way too big mobs? Why don't you keep that in the other thread you posted?

what he said.
 
no point in arguing with you. I am happy for you, that you took over my vacant seat for beeing the biggest fanboy (or fangirl) of EU. But in the game that i played for years, we didnt sell MMs and Eons, we used it and for good reason. Why dont you do that? Go try out the stuff you sell, i offer you 1k ped bulk for all you sell in your signature, it doesnt seem to be worth any more by now und the current circumstances.

I see an economy that is one/seventh of the size it was 21 months ago. And back when Pham played in 2005, back when i started in 2006 it was probably 20 times bigger than it is today. Back when you started, MA invented what we used to call the 4th and 5th world, in other terms the micro economy of puny mob, bombs for 10 pec and such.(back then we reffered to OJs as those who are jelous about the earnings of barf bag making indian children, no pun intended, i am not racist in any aspect, i am just saying loud what we whispered back then. Pure coincidence and honesty i tell it to someone from india). Well now the whole community seemed to have made a huge leap towards that direction.

I find it funny people try to nail me down on making profits. I never profited in EU in a monetary way and i never will. My payments in this game were a propper english, a propper world view, i learned how to do the math, i have become keen and perceptive and focusing, i know when to be silent and when to get loud, i feel like a propper civil uproar is badly needed. And my payment is the community, the status i have in it and the fun and entertainment this game gave me upto this point.

And if you dont share my problem, be as happy as you could be. Lucky you. Just accept that other players are pretty much trapped where they stand now.

About the learner-thing. In RL i studied philosophy, psychology and history with a focus on science theory, i am currently writing my doctor papers about conciousness-philosophy and i am back after a 20 months break because team DACH, the reigning WoF-champion need their champ-captain again and the society Odysseus Unbound needs their philosopher. I am one of the biggest learners you will ever meet, 2 hours with my friendlist and you learn more about the game than others in a year. If you want to front me on this side come back when you shot a million mobs and dropped a million probes, traded for years, played space taxi driver for years, virtually turned every stone on Calypso, helped to start a project of the size of Big Industries, killed many ubahs (at least once) in pvp, won WoF, made a screenie of Rei saying: World Domination accomplished! and stuff like that. You think any of those things could be done without learning?

Look again at your signature and wonder what its worth and what it was worth some time ago. Its a pitty what it will be worth in the future if the general direction stays the same.

So i pass this back to you, start to learn about the relations beween gun-size, skills and loot and dont blame me for starting the doomsday scenario, i am actually doing you a favor.

I apologize for my mess in this thread, MA forum avatars trying to make this thread go out of its proper direction.

What you wrote here - PURE GOLD, this is where I stop my writing in this thread, not giving hidden MA forum users what they want.
 
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I remember a selling thread shadow full set m for 38k ped, other asked if op didn't make a mistake shouldn't it be 83k, op said no this is the fair market price these days. Think we will see a rise in value if it stays like this?

Or even sustain the current value.
 
As if Kim|Calypso has enough english grammar knowledge to know the difference, to him its either tomejto or tomatou, stop being silly

Actually, your talking about etymologic and not grammar. So by doing a mistake similar to the one you accuse Kim of you are saying we shouldn't trust you either?
 
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You go and see a movie with a drink and popcorn. $30, after 1.5 hours you leave with some memories and -$30. The difference is sometimes in EU you leave with more than you arrived with.
 
Great great responses so far! Thank you all. I agree I can hunt smaller, and have been told that before. I can't believe though that those mobs I listed should be considered gamble mobs. I'm on Bronze Atrox, trying new Hog mission, did Feffox in a team at least... I'm lvl 72 laser and 197 HP. I agree- I could hunt smaller mobs, but then there is the flaw that others have said before too.... why am I skilling up to hunt smaller stuff. At this HP I should be hunting Hoggolo and big Atrox IMO.

Why skill up if bigger mobs inherently means the need for a bigger budget is indeed an interesting question. Even if you declare that "hit and damage profs are meaningless, only hp and evader matters", you will eventually get back to the same situation - advancement will mean bigger mobs and hence bigger bankroll. As far as I can tell anyways.
 
If you don't want to risk losing that much, hunt smaller stuff. On an 800 ped budget you should be hunting mobs that are 500 hp max, and more like 200 hp for most stable returns.

Aurli: min hp 1530
Feffox: min hp 1400
Hogglo: min hp 2000
Big atrox: 2000 hp
Kreltin: min hp 2390

No mystery here, your returns are normal for this kind of gamble hunting. Of what you hunted, only Atrax small to medium is in your budget (well maybe the bots, not sure what hp those were).

what he said :wise:
 
You go and see a movie with a drink and popcorn. $30, after 1.5 hours you leave with some memories and -$30. The difference is sometimes in EU you leave with more than you arrived with.

30 bucks a movie and some junk is pretty insane too... But the EU equivalent in RL would be to go to movies every 2 days and see 2-3 movies in a row :)

PS Did not went to a movie in maybe 15-20 years. Just checked now and is 10 bucks here just the ticket in a country with 250usd/month (yeah!) minimum salary! I rather have a nice steak home than paying Hollyweird any cent.

To OP: if you feel so bad, just wind down your activities, really. Many did, pew pew here, pew pew there, not much spent not much lost. Boring? yes, but safe.
 
To OP: if you feel so bad, just wind down your activities, really. Many did, pew pew here, pew pew there, not much spent not much lost. Boring? yes, but safe.

Why boring?

I like going on small mobs like prancer or plumatergus, for their skins.

Why is killing 1000 Atrox less boring than 1000 prancer ?

I really don´t get that argument.

Using small gun on pluma you can hunt very very long time with 80 bucks deposit.
 
Why boring?

I like going on small mobs like prancer or plumatergus, for their skins.

Why is killing 1000 Atrox less boring than 1000 prancer ?

I really don´t get that argument.

Using small gun on pluma you can hunt very very long time with 80 bucks deposit.
Yep and some nice loot turns out every now and then on these mobs! :)
 
All i can about this thread is: You have played for years and you just found out that MA takes % of our loots? it would take max 10x 800 ped tt runs to get to this results, as every time you hunt you give away 10%. But as you said you used L weapon and fap, so partion of your loot is given away to other players.. Which will leave you probably 5-6 hunting runs.
If you would have cycled your peds only once then you would probably have much more peds left.

The more you cycle the less you end up still having.


And 600 peds for gambling two days is very low price to pay... Try going to casino with 80USd and come out with 20usd two days later.. You could have had ATH and you wouldnt have said a single bad word. You are paying for the chance of getting something good. This time you didnt win, end of story this is not paid monthly subscription game where you put in 20 usd and have fun for 2 months. It is virtual universe where you put in as much as you can afford and do whatever you want to make those peds grow.

And yeah i am still MA loving reseller noob, who knows nothing about game or economy. But hey atleast i am happy :)

1st part: I KNOW MA takes a percent - I am ok with that and accept it. I never never have a hope or expectation (or goal) to make money from this game. My expectation is that 50-250 dollars a month is MORE than enough to hunt at my "level" and do most things (without doing anything over the top stupid) The gun I used was 109% MU which is about as low as you can get. UL gun is out of the question if they cost thousands of peds. My DMG/pec is higher than it's ever been. I don't understand what you mean about - cycle your peds once..? I understand the more I cycle the less I have left. My thought and hope is that I can get a few more than 1-2 day cycle before it's gone.

2nd part: Again I hear the word gambling being used. I'm not playing to get an ATH - if I did get one I'd say "finally after the years of BS or paying out my @ss" I also have seen many players that did get ATH say it just covered their losses. You are right - this game is different - it's not a pay subscription. I do not spend more than I can afford - doesn't mean what I spend can be accepted to be lost easily.

I do just want to be happy. My point remains that I took a break to cool off my spending and hope to find more fun when I returned. I spent money to get my gear in shape and have some ammo to hunt. Why should I just go out and do this again if I wasn't happy?
I don't know I lost my train of thought now.
 
Well the problem is MA takes some %, lets say 10%

If you cycle 10 PED / hour you will lose 1 PED / hour = 0.10$/h
If you cycle 100 PED / hour you will lose 10 PED / hour = 1$/h, still acceptable
If you cycle 1000 PED / hour you will lose 100 PED / hour = 10$/h, your decision if you accept that

Its linear, the more you spent the more you lose.

If anybody got an idea how MA could improve the system, well share your wisdom.

The cost to play is directly linked to your accitivity, speak using big ass guns vs big ass mobs, cycling a lot PED very fast automatically will lead to higher loss (MA takes the 10% of what you spent).
 
You go and see a movie with a drink and popcorn. $30, after 1.5 hours you leave with some memories and -$30. The difference is sometimes in EU you leave with more than you arrived with.

I understand that analogy... however I just saw a movie.. for two people it was $11.50 - no popcorn/drink (rip off)
If the movie was complete crap - I'd be pissed. I'd think twice about going to the movies next time.

I can also compare that to other games then. I play a game on Steam for 60 bucks and I play it for 3 months - hours a day. Or recently I'm playing a F2P MMO and spent 20 bucks and could never spend another dollar have continue to have fun with it.

I hear all these people's suggestions to hunt different mobs, hunt smaller, or I need a bigger bankroll. Those are good suggestions - my experience has been smaller/different mobs didn't make a big difference. I have tried it and my time lasted a little longer, but not much. My experience has been that hunting punies was some of the worst returns. Why put in a bigger bankroll? That's just more I'm going to loose IMO.
 
Why boring?

I like going on small mobs like prancer or plumatergus, for their skins.

Why is killing 1000 Atrox less boring than 1000 prancer ?

I really don´t get that argument.

Using small gun on pluma you can hunt very very long time with 80 bucks deposit.

It's boring because low challenge - plumy will almost never kill me. Other reasons such as argo range and HP differences also make things more/less boring.
If I just continue to stay at the same level hunting the same level mobs all the time... then I have to argue wtf is the point. Neil pointed out that the mobs I tried are gambling mobs.. that makes me think over half of all mobs in EU are gambling mobs.. hence this game is gambling.
 
You go and see a movie with a drink and popcorn. $30, after 1.5 hours you leave with some memories and -$30. The difference is sometimes in EU you leave with more than you arrived with.

Aussie prices? in UK, movie would be half that. and $15 in EU wouldnt return an hour and a half of anything memorable.
 
Well basically they just want your money and your money and your money...

Stuff like pet names that used to be free they even want your money for now. Sure you get a free single-use one for an ancient pet lol, but the milking is not over yet. All is about the money more and more here nowadays and getting decent returns to at least keep skilling while (almost) breaking even just is not going to happen.

Maybe they seem give you a nice day or 2 after a deposit just to seemingly squeeze the money out of you again even harder than they did before. For the time you get swirls it seems nice, yet you realize it is just compensating for the bad loots you got in between. It is the easiest thing to hunt decent sized popular mobs for many K ped and not even get a single global. Not even get anything with a decent markup. Yet some that do exactly the same seem to keep getting it over and over again. Why that happens is not really clear.

We all have some lucky periods, but for most they last sooooooooo short you can only hope to be active at those times. The shit periods are excessively long. Seriously. People often think MA hates them. It seems that way. Why else is the loot so shit they wonder? I wonder if they aren't keeping the wealth in a selected club often, while taking it from the rest, preferrably older players that are not likely to quit. Yet I am sure those older players so often consider selling out. I do this on a daily basis almost.

Wouldn't it be great to see a string above a mob informing you it has the loot? Saw that in an old thread long ago and well I wonder if such a thing exists lol. Long ago someone approached me offering knowledge that would lead to guaranteed TT profit in game and he "needed" payment upfront for it. I told him I'm here for fun mostly and don't need to profit (this is in fact impossible having been a hardcore depositor in my past; it can never be recovered). But well it mostly is for amusement, yet with the returns many are getting even that comes to an end. I still wonder if it had anything to do with that and if it was real.

Now some may start about the 90% theory again which is an all-population average in total and subject to a timeframe, thus not a final life-time return or who would pay all upcost for this "game". Noone in the end would anymore, so it being the same for every ava of their total cycled (if you read it as total deposit) is a bullshit theory guaranteed. It is a downward leading spiral for the majority here. The game needs to be funded and well perhaps the management needs to drive bigger cars, who knows ;p

Anyways you can profit by reselling here or having knowledge about things before others do (and keep it secret), or simply by being one of the few that hit it every time, which seems a flag in ppl's profile anyways for some reason, just like the ability to loot high MU UL stuff or CLD tokens etc. I'm no fan of reselling etc so I need to have it from steady returns and if it gets too much I just go hang at places which costs a lot less than actively hunting, mining and/or crafting; yet it can be boring.
 
Can you sweat, pickup fruit and oh TRADE in a casino? not a good comparison.

You can do all those in a casino, but you're discouraged from picking up dung.

I don't understand what you mean about - cycle your peds once..? I understand the more I cycle the less I have left. My thought and hope is that I can get a few more than 1-2 day cycle before it's gone.

2nd part: Again I hear the word gambling being used. I'm not playing to get an ATH

Gambling in EU means not having enough peds to get enough loot attempts be likely to get close to the standard "long term return".

Some examples of gambling:

A newbie takes out 1 ped of ammo to kill puny mobs. They will only kill at most 25 mobs and that's not enough to guarantee they will get any multipliers. The return will likely be as low as .3 ped. But of course they could hit a big one fast and come back with 10 ped.

A medium player takes out 1000 ped of ammo to kill a mob that costs 10 ped to kill. He will only kill 100 mobs and might not get any decent multipliers, and could easily end up with a 4 or 500 ped return. Or he could be lucky enough to get a 2k pedder.

A high level player takes out 10k ped ammo to hunt eomon stalkers which cost over 60 peds to kill. He kills only 156 mobs before running out of ammo. It is not unlikely that he will lose 5k ped in one hunt. Or he could get uber lucky and get an ATH.

Even if these players are not looking for the ATH, they're still gambling because with the few kills they're doing, it's not enough to be likely to get a good TT return. They might get a 90% return on a short run like this but they will most likely not.

To have a high likelihood of getting a 90+% TT return, you need to kill at least 1000 mobs on your run (40 ped for punies, 10k ped for the 10 ped mob, and 60k for the big eomons). And this is just for ONE calculation period (call it a run). Even more buffer is better. So, take your ped card (800 ped), each mob should not cost more than .8 peds to kill... if your goal is to have a stable, predictable return. Killing less than this is what I call gambling: you don't have enough loot attempts to expect a stable, 90%+ return.

I think the problem is that so many have high level skills and high dps equipment, but very few actually have the peds to easily hunt at their skill level. You should hunt at your budget, not your skills. One solution to this might be to hunt in teams.

(This ofc assumes you're using eco equipment.)

I think even the lowest level starter pack gives players plenty of ammo to kill 1000 punies (~40 ped), which is good, as it prevents newbies from taking a ped of ammo out, losing it all on a few mobs and concluding that "this game sucks".

With mining, it's a little different, you should have at least 2k ped (5k is more comfortable) ped buffer because of all the stacks you have to collect, and this forces you to do lots of drops which means you're likely to have close to 90-ish percent return by the time you have to sell your stuff.

In other words:

if cycling your ped card almost always results in 90% or more returns = not gambling
if cycling your ped card frequently results in significantly less than 90% returns = gambling.
 
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You can do all those in a casino, but you're discouraged from picking up dung.



Gambling in EU means not having enough peds to get enough loot attempts be likely to get close to the standard "long term return".

Some examples of gambling:

A newbie takes out 1 ped of ammo to kill puny mobs. They will only kill at most 25 mobs and that's not enough to guarantee they will get any multipliers. The return will likely be as low as .3 ped. But of course they could hit a big one fast and come back with 10 ped.

A medium player takes out 1000 ped of ammo to kill a mob that costs 10 ped to kill. He will only kill 100 mobs and might not get any decent multipliers, and could easily end up with a 4 or 500 ped return. Or he could be lucky enough to get a 2k pedder.

A high level player takes out 10k ped ammo to hunt eomon stalkers which cost over 60 peds to kill. He kills only 156 mobs before running out of ammo. It is not unlikely that he will lose 5k ped in one hunt. Or he could get uber lucky and get an ATH.

Even if these players are not looking for the ATH, they're still gambling because with the few kills they're doing, it's not enough to be likely to get a good TT return. They might get a 90% return on a short run like this but they will most likely not.

To have a high likelihood of getting a 90+% TT return, you need to kill at least 1000 mobs on your run (40 ped for punies, 10k ped for the 10 ped mob, and 60k for the big eomons). And this is just for ONE calculation period (call it a run). Even more buffer is better. So, take your ped card (800 ped), each mob should not cost more than .8 peds to kill... if your goal is to have a stable, predictable return. Killing less than this is what I call gambling: you don't have enough loot attempts to expect a stable, 90%+ return.

I think the problem is that so many have high level skills and high dps equipment, but very few actually have the peds to easily hunt at their skill level. You should hunt at your budget, not your skills. One solution to this might be to hunt in teams.

(This ofc assumes you're using eco equipment.)

I think even the lowest level starter pack gives players plenty of ammo to kill 1000 punies (~40 ped), which is good, as it prevents newbies from taking a ped of ammo out, losing it all on a few mobs and concluding that "this game sucks".

With mining, it's a little different, you should have at least 2k ped (5k is more comfortable) ped buffer because of all the stacks you have to collect, and this forces you to do lots of drops which means you're likely to have close to 90-ish percent return by the time you have to sell your stuff.

In other words:

if cycling your ped card almost always results in 90% or more returns = not gambling
if cycling your ped card frequently results in significantly less than 90% returns = gambling.

The quoted post is pretty much everything you need to know, and its also how all the "fanboys" actually play the game, and people just cant understand how they can do so well, they must be lucky avatars!

Best reading ive had for a long time, this is exactly how EU should be played, IF YOUR GOAL IS A STEADY 90% RETURN. If youre just in it for the gamble and thrill, go ahead and choose your flavour.
 
if this is true, all WoF is always gamble! Well done MA!
 
In other words:

if cycling your ped card almost always results in 90% or more returns = not gambling
if cycling your ped card frequently results in significantly less than 90% returns = gambling.

Too bad that following this rule, you can only determine whether it is "gambling" AFTER having done the hunt.

In my view, it is only gambling if you do whatever it is you do HOPING for that ONE big hit where you get rich. If you just like to hunt, it isn't gambling. Even if you just decide to throw your entire PED card against killing one single mob. If you like doing that, go for it.

Golden rule here: play the game in the way that to you results in the highest entertainment value.

(And if that highest value is reached by not playing, by all means, do something else. But don't run around badmouthing everything in EU, because that's just spoiling the fun of others.)
 
Ofc it's gambling. That's why MA won;t reveal how loot works to not fall under some online gambling law's ( lot of pl from USA here ). Just change "dynamic" for "random" whetever they use that word ;)
 
Gambling in EU means not having enough peds to get enough loot attempts be likely to get close to the standard "long term return".

Thanks for the great response and info Neil. I just shortened your quote just to show that I'm responding to that post. What I don't understand - because I see this all the time from people (saying small sample size)
is where is these numbers determined from? What makes 60 eomons not enough, but 150 is enough? I've done some hunts with teams where we just grinded and grinded Prots with no big hit and it was a terrible loss. We defiantly went above number of kills needed.
I get what you are saying though about approach and how that can be viewed as gambling. But that then implies that at my level I either spend hundreds of dollars a month, or just hunt Kerbs all day and everyday to spend less.
So there is a glass ceiling? So to speak?

Side note: I picked up a little bit - finishing my daily Shinkiba mission. Got a 92 ped shared loot at Chugs. I then went to work on my 80 Bristelhog daily misson. Those mobs are about 80 pecs to kill each. I almost never got over 80 pecs loot, and most loots were 30-50 pecs. I would expect to hear that 80 isn't enough. But this is what I"m not getting - where is that line where "ok that's enough to determine a steady return"
I then started doing a 50 Telezapod daily mission. So far: I"m having fun - not spending loads and getting stuff done. So so far so good! Thanks for all the input guys.
 
Feel free to check my log to see that 100k ped isn't enough to get a normal return (note that that is like 10k kills) :laugh:
 
Feel free to check my log to see that 100k ped isn't enough to get a normal return (note that that is like 10k kills) :laugh:

finally das! i waited the whole day for you to answer, didnt want to press it though... too bad we meet under those circumstances again, dark times!
 
Why boring?

I like going on small mobs like prancer or plumatergus, for their skins.

Why is killing 1000 Atrox less boring than 1000 prancer ?

I really don´t get that argument.

Using small gun on pluma you can hunt very very long time with 80 bucks deposit.

I was a sort of answering an unasked question. As I was proved right, the OP feels that hunting lower mobs
at his skill and gear level is not challenging enough. Is something called adrenaline, and some need that more than others. Of course, as in RL the adrenaline seekers risk more than the regular players.

Myself I hunted prancers and it was fun, but after the hit-box update they become very hard to hit in manual aiming so the fun went away. Hitting a key in auto aiming against a bar definitely is not fun for me.
 
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