BenCoyote
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Benjamin Ben coyote here and I have a good laugh to tell you, but first I would like to point out to the people and the mods that this isn't a complaint threead, or even a whining thread.. in fact this is a fun little thread tha basically states the obvious...
If you really think EU is totally bad due to it's bugs, it's flaws, and yes even it's so called exploits, then you 've seen nothing liike a game i was introduced to just 2 months earlier..
Now I'm going to be honest, if you like FPS,s and you like to construct and destruct) things then this game would be fun.. In fact, Like EU,it's Free to play, and also you can put cash into the game to buy improved vehicles and what not..
But just less than a month ag, a problem showed up, and let me explain.. While EU is what is considered "Gold" this game is still in the "Alpha" stages (in fact from what I've researched this game might be at most 1-2 years old.. It uses a different game engine. and it's interface is fairly decent..
I started that game 2 months ago, and in it there were at least 10,000 players online haivng battle royales with each other, shooting up the town as it were..
But then just like any game, teh hackers and exploiters came i and decided to turn some players off to the game..
So the numbers dwindled.. and soon the game company decided to work on a way to keep the hackers and exploiters out of the game, and just this last week, they implemented it while still in alpha..
End result.. More players left the game..
Then came today's patch/hotfix and while I started off okay but I noticed one thing and this was the queue waits between battles.. there would be maybe at most 24 to 30 people at my level.. at higher and lower levels there would be less.. and at the highest levels you'd be luckly to see a wait queue of maybe 10 people..
In short, 90% of the playerbase had disappeared.. and most of those who had gone were in fact the exploiters, and the cheaters.. Play in this game now is a bit more fair.
But teh game had or rather currently has, a serious flaw.. and that is the fact that that the New Anti-Cheat/Anti Exploit patch had errors in it and now it's lucky to see even a few players playing.. (Sadly I'm not one of those tonight). (and to think how many times hae I heard the "IT's broke in this game comment whenever a new VU comes out?)
So then you think MA has a bad game? Think again..
Let's be honest, sure it takes them time energy in teh form of food and drink, create a new system.. The last system in place to bring the game up to the first part of the pre -VU 10 days took over 5 years of hard work to get it working.. 5 years..(Don't complain about the pets and say they're not working.. they are.. and at least I've seen a lot of pet owners happy... Heck even i have a virtual pet..)
and granted we've all heard the cries of "Well they borke/Nerfed some system in game, but then take a look, these guys do try an fix it so that it can be back to normal. (It seems there's a pattern here, like players expect everything to work perfectly Sadly, it's like trying to start a car with a dead battery.. if it won't work don't compain about it, jsut call a maintenance guy and fix the damn thing..)
Now sadly the thing is it's not that either game company is at fault nor the planet partners there for their issues, in fact the programmers are not machines, they're humans like you or I. and yes just like humans, they do mess up from time to time, they do make coding errors, some of theose coding errors not too big while others are drastic. but at least, they learn (or at least try to learn) from their mistakes..
and yet... The pLayers are the chief complaint here, not the company. They call themselves young adult sor adults, and yet they whine like spoiled kids who if they don't have their way, theyy throw a temper tangturm if things don't go jsut right..
That's right, I'm talking babout each and everyone of us, The ones who do make alternatives, teh ones who figure out ways to exploit the game and even thoughts who try to shyster people out of their peds..
Frankly I'm not angry at any one really, but maybe I'm starting to see a bigger light to gaming as a whiole.. Maybe this is the reason another game company sold out to a computer company tht produces gaming ssytems to the tune of 2.5 billion dollars.. (and you want to know the absolute real reason why the did it?) I can tell you.. The poor programers of said company were really tired of the whiners, the complainers and the people who kept asking , no not asking but pressuring them to find out when the next major update would be out.. Heck, It would drive most programmers to drink, smoke, and use street drugs, and a few of them to suicide..
And yes Computer programmers do ahve RL issues too just like the rest of us, be it health, the wife, kids, the family pet, even the nagging mother in laws..(Sound familiar folks/ Or should I call you my mother in law..(Oh wait, tht's right, I'm not married!)
And if you think that developing a game is easy, think yet again, this is thousands if not tens of thousands of lines of code. Soe of it i some gaming programming languate (Most of them are in the usual C+ or C# format. Heck I've seen programs that are in fact so huge you could actually use the data to fly an airplane.. or the space shuttle (and yes, even these machines fail too, due to human error and bad planning or design.. And yet programmers tend to try to fix things, even if it supposedly (On accident mind you) breaks others..
The only point i see between the players in this game and the ones in others is that some of them try to help the company solve the issues of the game, some even offer ideas and help i the form of support cases..
And this is where we as players fail. We don't give these guysbreathing room to think.. we nag, and push themn to the breaking point, they though are hard nuts to crack.. after all some of these guys I actually have to applaud just because they keep trying to succeed, even though the players hope the fail. Yet you know who fails, we do, cause we don't take the time to file a simple case. That takes maybe at most 5-10 minutes out ofour game time? (and some of the folks don't want to file it cause if they do, it will hurt their chances to be rich.. even if they have to cheat to win..(Oh and if you think this game has an end game like other games, the reality is.. only you make it the end game if you decide to quit. But some people hate new systems in games, some just hate the fact that if they can't win, even by cheating, or exploiting a game, that they're not superior..(Call it what you will, but there's egotism to fill up a barrel of apples, there, and in a way, it's not going to win you brownie points when you finally get out a situation you can't handle or adapt to.. that's usually when the endgame hits).
A lot of times I send in a support case when I see a bug or something that needs to be fixed.. It's only 5 to 10 minutes out of a busy day. and even then it gives me the satisfaction that at least I did my job as a player..
I Try to word the issue in a concise and concrete way so that they can understand the issue..And I finish it off expressing the fact that I'm one of their gaming customers.. even if I am a player..
But you know why EU has really stopped talking to us the players.. Simple answer.. Just like that other game company (The one that was being bought out for 2.5 Billion USD). The developers really do want to listen to us, but we as the player base, have whined, bitched, complained, moaned and groaned about what i would ssay is trival stuff that doesn't affect game play but it affects a gamer's sense of worth in game. Sure some of us send in support cases, but let's be honest, a lot of the complaints end up guess where..
Right here..
That's right, you think any game is perfect? You think any game support is perfect? You think any programming team is perfect>
Wait Reality check, Please.
They'e not.. So we really shouldn't be slamming our fists down and complaining aobut it now should we? Of course not. We shouldn't complain about bad loot, maybe we're having an off day ... or maybe we're not playing a game that is easy on our wallets.. There's a lot of variables in this game that players don't understand.. and yet, what's the two words that I hear the most in this forum?
"It's dynamic"
Dynamic? Dynamic in what way? is it that Ubers want gold fto fall from the sky because they depoed a ton of money just to get that one in a million drop? Is it becase the new player can't paly cause people have made prices insane that no one can afford even a crafted too to use?
(TBH, right now the game is in fa form of Inflationary flux, and a lot of things in this game are way over priced.. and my question to the players is.. Why? Is it simple common greed here? or is it that you made a mistake yourself and it has been costing you all the game life in game?
Like I said, a lot of variables here..
In closing. I have to say tis.. EU has been around for something like 11 going on 12 years now, And it's only taken them 6 years to get the game to where it was before they switched game engines.. It took another 6 to take the game farther and to hieghts so far that now we got things like Space, andPlayer controlled mobs.. Soon we'll have pet battles, and poltical systems.. Stuff that the old programmers and developers prrior to VU 10 only dreamed about. In short this game is growing but it's teh player base that helps determine whether the game succeeds or fails..after all we're just 33% of the issue here, the rest of it does fall on the developers and the planet partners.. but only so far.. it's a 3 way split.. can't argue about it..
and in fact EU does have it's problem, that's a known fact. but some of the game does still have it's heart. and it did back in the old PE days, beforre all teh other worlds came into play. Now we got more places to explore to experiment with, and to trry out. There's never a gull day on any world.. be it Calypso, Arkadia, Rocktropia, Toulan, Cyrene or even yes, Next Island.
.Sure some of the more well known players I've met have left, probably because of the thetoric playes did to them, but part of the reason was that they couldn't learn to try and change their pattern of thought.., It's a known fact in humans we don't change anything in our lives, even when a disaster srtrikes. If you live in California, expect Earthquakes, if you live in Kansas, Expect Tornadoes. Anywhere in teh Atlantic or Pacifc, or the Indian Ocean expect Hurricanes, Typhoons, and Cyclones.. heck anywhere you reside you gotta rememeber just like mother Earth, every planet has it's problems, and yet there are little bits that could be done to improve the game.. even simple suggeststion to the devs in teh forums here.. or to the communitiy managers, or whoeve ris in charge of the planet..
But when I hear people complain, when I hear them whiine, whicn i hear the coplaints about bad eveything, it
kind of turns people off, really it does. And this just hurts he situation even more.. cause no one is really thinking aobut how to get people into game, to encourage them to try.. If the new player doesn't like it, because of the fact that people talk on the rookie channel about stupid things, rather than being helpful, then hey, you're just slitting your own throats, and you have nothing to coplain about.. you helped caused the player to leave (It's a known fact that if you give a person bad customer service, you will lose 10 people pluus the person you are trying to help.. and stop and think further.. any one of those 11 could be a depositors into this game..
Now sure, I'll get a lot of flak from some of you, some of you might praise me, Frankly at this point it's not that I don't care about games.. I actually do care. and games can be fun, interesting nd yes even creative and challenging. It's there to life our spirits when we're down, and to keep us going and to fight to survive even in a Hostile real world. (An like I said, what happens in life happens in game and vice versa)
But it's the gamers, who help shape and build a game, or who help tear down and destroy one. It's really our choice to do what we want.. and it's our choice to see if this game lives or dies.. we're the deciding factor if anyone will join the game or leave it..
Sure that new game? it has it's growing pains, it's still in alpha, Some games are in beta, and some are heading for that Gold status, and believe me we've had a lot of growing pains too right here in Eu, including all the hetoric that exists in these forums..
Personally I'd like to see the game develop intom something a bit more, and if you want to destroy the game, go right ahed, cause to be honest, you're just gonna sit there and make ourself miserable..
But in the end, don't knock EU like it's a bad game, it's not. let's call it "Decent, but with flaws" The only thing I have to say is that it could be worsse, you could be sitting on the sidelines wondering, "Why is the game not working, and it's the developers fault. No wait, I broke the game, I caused this problem.. and then the guilt trip begins..
but go back to what I said, that other game started to fall apart already in alpha, but the good news is, that the developers are listning.. Maybe it's a good idea for the developers too to read this post.. Maybe they'll get a better idea of wht is going on here.. from a gamer's perspective..
But just like any game, this game as well as the other more new one i play will survive..
Let's jsut hope that we don't have any more "Bad Aplles Come in and ruin the fun t for all of us..
That'a sll
Frankly it was no fun when the cheats and hackers got into that other game, and now? They're history.
I have to say, go ahead, ripd this comment apart.. but in teh end, ; EU isn't a bad game in fact no game is perfect, but each game is different, challenging and keeps us entertained..
I guess what I'm trying to say, that when you take the money out of this game, the end result is that it should be fun.. and enjoyable. there should be teamwork and sociability in this game.. but until things change.. the more things remain the same.. Until people realize one thing..
It's the gamers who make or break a game. Pure and simple.
For games it's the status quo.. and really until people stop and think long and hard at what kind of pressures and problems programmers and developers have to produce any game, even a quality one, then you'll really enjoy the fact that games are developed by humans, we're all human and in fact I'd ike to see some oflks prove thier robots. (Or maybe.. we have spies in our midsts right now who are reporting back to their robotic or pony or whatever overlords are out there. (Time for the Tin Foil Conspiracy hatters to come crawling out of the ground..I know some of you guys are just that type.)
So please.. Troll all you want.. Put on your conspiracy hats, do wahtever you want. Be a nuisance to developers, be a help to them, whine bitch moan and complain, turn people off, do wahtever you want.. After all you're a gamer, be proud for who you are.. and if you can't stand the game? Try another one, and anotehr, keep trying till you find one you do like..
Me? I got plenty to do, and I'm never bored.. even though I'm headed to wherever dead people go, at least I know that I did my part to speak my mind.. to say whatever came to me, and to theorize what gaming is all about..
Okay have it it all you people out there, this one's for you..
(I'm off to bed to nurse a cold..)
Benjamin Ben Coyote (Space Pilot Call sign "Coyote")
a.k.a "The Blind Sniper.
If you really think EU is totally bad due to it's bugs, it's flaws, and yes even it's so called exploits, then you 've seen nothing liike a game i was introduced to just 2 months earlier..
Now I'm going to be honest, if you like FPS,s and you like to construct and destruct) things then this game would be fun.. In fact, Like EU,it's Free to play, and also you can put cash into the game to buy improved vehicles and what not..
But just less than a month ag, a problem showed up, and let me explain.. While EU is what is considered "Gold" this game is still in the "Alpha" stages (in fact from what I've researched this game might be at most 1-2 years old.. It uses a different game engine. and it's interface is fairly decent..
I started that game 2 months ago, and in it there were at least 10,000 players online haivng battle royales with each other, shooting up the town as it were..
But then just like any game, teh hackers and exploiters came i and decided to turn some players off to the game..
So the numbers dwindled.. and soon the game company decided to work on a way to keep the hackers and exploiters out of the game, and just this last week, they implemented it while still in alpha..
End result.. More players left the game..
Then came today's patch/hotfix and while I started off okay but I noticed one thing and this was the queue waits between battles.. there would be maybe at most 24 to 30 people at my level.. at higher and lower levels there would be less.. and at the highest levels you'd be luckly to see a wait queue of maybe 10 people..
In short, 90% of the playerbase had disappeared.. and most of those who had gone were in fact the exploiters, and the cheaters.. Play in this game now is a bit more fair.
But teh game had or rather currently has, a serious flaw.. and that is the fact that that the New Anti-Cheat/Anti Exploit patch had errors in it and now it's lucky to see even a few players playing.. (Sadly I'm not one of those tonight). (and to think how many times hae I heard the "IT's broke in this game comment whenever a new VU comes out?)
So then you think MA has a bad game? Think again..
Let's be honest, sure it takes them time energy in teh form of food and drink, create a new system.. The last system in place to bring the game up to the first part of the pre -VU 10 days took over 5 years of hard work to get it working.. 5 years..(Don't complain about the pets and say they're not working.. they are.. and at least I've seen a lot of pet owners happy... Heck even i have a virtual pet..)
and granted we've all heard the cries of "Well they borke/Nerfed some system in game, but then take a look, these guys do try an fix it so that it can be back to normal. (It seems there's a pattern here, like players expect everything to work perfectly Sadly, it's like trying to start a car with a dead battery.. if it won't work don't compain about it, jsut call a maintenance guy and fix the damn thing..)
Now sadly the thing is it's not that either game company is at fault nor the planet partners there for their issues, in fact the programmers are not machines, they're humans like you or I. and yes just like humans, they do mess up from time to time, they do make coding errors, some of theose coding errors not too big while others are drastic. but at least, they learn (or at least try to learn) from their mistakes..
and yet... The pLayers are the chief complaint here, not the company. They call themselves young adult sor adults, and yet they whine like spoiled kids who if they don't have their way, theyy throw a temper tangturm if things don't go jsut right..
That's right, I'm talking babout each and everyone of us, The ones who do make alternatives, teh ones who figure out ways to exploit the game and even thoughts who try to shyster people out of their peds..
Frankly I'm not angry at any one really, but maybe I'm starting to see a bigger light to gaming as a whiole.. Maybe this is the reason another game company sold out to a computer company tht produces gaming ssytems to the tune of 2.5 billion dollars.. (and you want to know the absolute real reason why the did it?) I can tell you.. The poor programers of said company were really tired of the whiners, the complainers and the people who kept asking , no not asking but pressuring them to find out when the next major update would be out.. Heck, It would drive most programmers to drink, smoke, and use street drugs, and a few of them to suicide..
And yes Computer programmers do ahve RL issues too just like the rest of us, be it health, the wife, kids, the family pet, even the nagging mother in laws..(Sound familiar folks/ Or should I call you my mother in law..(Oh wait, tht's right, I'm not married!)
And if you think that developing a game is easy, think yet again, this is thousands if not tens of thousands of lines of code. Soe of it i some gaming programming languate (Most of them are in the usual C+ or C# format. Heck I've seen programs that are in fact so huge you could actually use the data to fly an airplane.. or the space shuttle (and yes, even these machines fail too, due to human error and bad planning or design.. And yet programmers tend to try to fix things, even if it supposedly (On accident mind you) breaks others..
The only point i see between the players in this game and the ones in others is that some of them try to help the company solve the issues of the game, some even offer ideas and help i the form of support cases..
And this is where we as players fail. We don't give these guysbreathing room to think.. we nag, and push themn to the breaking point, they though are hard nuts to crack.. after all some of these guys I actually have to applaud just because they keep trying to succeed, even though the players hope the fail. Yet you know who fails, we do, cause we don't take the time to file a simple case. That takes maybe at most 5-10 minutes out ofour game time? (and some of the folks don't want to file it cause if they do, it will hurt their chances to be rich.. even if they have to cheat to win..(Oh and if you think this game has an end game like other games, the reality is.. only you make it the end game if you decide to quit. But some people hate new systems in games, some just hate the fact that if they can't win, even by cheating, or exploiting a game, that they're not superior..(Call it what you will, but there's egotism to fill up a barrel of apples, there, and in a way, it's not going to win you brownie points when you finally get out a situation you can't handle or adapt to.. that's usually when the endgame hits).
A lot of times I send in a support case when I see a bug or something that needs to be fixed.. It's only 5 to 10 minutes out of a busy day. and even then it gives me the satisfaction that at least I did my job as a player..
I Try to word the issue in a concise and concrete way so that they can understand the issue..And I finish it off expressing the fact that I'm one of their gaming customers.. even if I am a player..
But you know why EU has really stopped talking to us the players.. Simple answer.. Just like that other game company (The one that was being bought out for 2.5 Billion USD). The developers really do want to listen to us, but we as the player base, have whined, bitched, complained, moaned and groaned about what i would ssay is trival stuff that doesn't affect game play but it affects a gamer's sense of worth in game. Sure some of us send in support cases, but let's be honest, a lot of the complaints end up guess where..
Right here..
That's right, you think any game is perfect? You think any game support is perfect? You think any programming team is perfect>
Wait Reality check, Please.
They'e not.. So we really shouldn't be slamming our fists down and complaining aobut it now should we? Of course not. We shouldn't complain about bad loot, maybe we're having an off day ... or maybe we're not playing a game that is easy on our wallets.. There's a lot of variables in this game that players don't understand.. and yet, what's the two words that I hear the most in this forum?
"It's dynamic"
Dynamic? Dynamic in what way? is it that Ubers want gold fto fall from the sky because they depoed a ton of money just to get that one in a million drop? Is it becase the new player can't paly cause people have made prices insane that no one can afford even a crafted too to use?
(TBH, right now the game is in fa form of Inflationary flux, and a lot of things in this game are way over priced.. and my question to the players is.. Why? Is it simple common greed here? or is it that you made a mistake yourself and it has been costing you all the game life in game?
Like I said, a lot of variables here..
In closing. I have to say tis.. EU has been around for something like 11 going on 12 years now, And it's only taken them 6 years to get the game to where it was before they switched game engines.. It took another 6 to take the game farther and to hieghts so far that now we got things like Space, andPlayer controlled mobs.. Soon we'll have pet battles, and poltical systems.. Stuff that the old programmers and developers prrior to VU 10 only dreamed about. In short this game is growing but it's teh player base that helps determine whether the game succeeds or fails..after all we're just 33% of the issue here, the rest of it does fall on the developers and the planet partners.. but only so far.. it's a 3 way split.. can't argue about it..
and in fact EU does have it's problem, that's a known fact. but some of the game does still have it's heart. and it did back in the old PE days, beforre all teh other worlds came into play. Now we got more places to explore to experiment with, and to trry out. There's never a gull day on any world.. be it Calypso, Arkadia, Rocktropia, Toulan, Cyrene or even yes, Next Island.
.Sure some of the more well known players I've met have left, probably because of the thetoric playes did to them, but part of the reason was that they couldn't learn to try and change their pattern of thought.., It's a known fact in humans we don't change anything in our lives, even when a disaster srtrikes. If you live in California, expect Earthquakes, if you live in Kansas, Expect Tornadoes. Anywhere in teh Atlantic or Pacifc, or the Indian Ocean expect Hurricanes, Typhoons, and Cyclones.. heck anywhere you reside you gotta rememeber just like mother Earth, every planet has it's problems, and yet there are little bits that could be done to improve the game.. even simple suggeststion to the devs in teh forums here.. or to the communitiy managers, or whoeve ris in charge of the planet..
But when I hear people complain, when I hear them whiine, whicn i hear the coplaints about bad eveything, it
kind of turns people off, really it does. And this just hurts he situation even more.. cause no one is really thinking aobut how to get people into game, to encourage them to try.. If the new player doesn't like it, because of the fact that people talk on the rookie channel about stupid things, rather than being helpful, then hey, you're just slitting your own throats, and you have nothing to coplain about.. you helped caused the player to leave (It's a known fact that if you give a person bad customer service, you will lose 10 people pluus the person you are trying to help.. and stop and think further.. any one of those 11 could be a depositors into this game..
Now sure, I'll get a lot of flak from some of you, some of you might praise me, Frankly at this point it's not that I don't care about games.. I actually do care. and games can be fun, interesting nd yes even creative and challenging. It's there to life our spirits when we're down, and to keep us going and to fight to survive even in a Hostile real world. (An like I said, what happens in life happens in game and vice versa)
But it's the gamers, who help shape and build a game, or who help tear down and destroy one. It's really our choice to do what we want.. and it's our choice to see if this game lives or dies.. we're the deciding factor if anyone will join the game or leave it..
Sure that new game? it has it's growing pains, it's still in alpha, Some games are in beta, and some are heading for that Gold status, and believe me we've had a lot of growing pains too right here in Eu, including all the hetoric that exists in these forums..
Personally I'd like to see the game develop intom something a bit more, and if you want to destroy the game, go right ahed, cause to be honest, you're just gonna sit there and make ourself miserable..
But in the end, don't knock EU like it's a bad game, it's not. let's call it "Decent, but with flaws" The only thing I have to say is that it could be worsse, you could be sitting on the sidelines wondering, "Why is the game not working, and it's the developers fault. No wait, I broke the game, I caused this problem.. and then the guilt trip begins..
but go back to what I said, that other game started to fall apart already in alpha, but the good news is, that the developers are listning.. Maybe it's a good idea for the developers too to read this post.. Maybe they'll get a better idea of wht is going on here.. from a gamer's perspective..
But just like any game, this game as well as the other more new one i play will survive..
Let's jsut hope that we don't have any more "Bad Aplles Come in and ruin the fun t for all of us..
That'a sll
Frankly it was no fun when the cheats and hackers got into that other game, and now? They're history.
I have to say, go ahead, ripd this comment apart.. but in teh end, ; EU isn't a bad game in fact no game is perfect, but each game is different, challenging and keeps us entertained..
I guess what I'm trying to say, that when you take the money out of this game, the end result is that it should be fun.. and enjoyable. there should be teamwork and sociability in this game.. but until things change.. the more things remain the same.. Until people realize one thing..
It's the gamers who make or break a game. Pure and simple.
For games it's the status quo.. and really until people stop and think long and hard at what kind of pressures and problems programmers and developers have to produce any game, even a quality one, then you'll really enjoy the fact that games are developed by humans, we're all human and in fact I'd ike to see some oflks prove thier robots. (Or maybe.. we have spies in our midsts right now who are reporting back to their robotic or pony or whatever overlords are out there. (Time for the Tin Foil Conspiracy hatters to come crawling out of the ground..I know some of you guys are just that type.)
So please.. Troll all you want.. Put on your conspiracy hats, do wahtever you want. Be a nuisance to developers, be a help to them, whine bitch moan and complain, turn people off, do wahtever you want.. After all you're a gamer, be proud for who you are.. and if you can't stand the game? Try another one, and anotehr, keep trying till you find one you do like..
Me? I got plenty to do, and I'm never bored.. even though I'm headed to wherever dead people go, at least I know that I did my part to speak my mind.. to say whatever came to me, and to theorize what gaming is all about..
Okay have it it all you people out there, this one's for you..
(I'm off to bed to nurse a cold..)
Benjamin Ben Coyote (Space Pilot Call sign "Coyote")
a.k.a "The Blind Sniper.
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But before mod deletes these posts, i think he(WhiningSceptic) is right, he looks like atleast few years old player (atleast knowledge about prices and stuff is similar to that) so yeah forum date doesnt show much.
