Coyote Wisdom: Calculated Risks, time and energy and loss.. (or blah)
Well if I might be bold and blunt here, I'm going to weigh in on this matter, as it seems a lot of people tend to forget a few things...
Things like:
They've had some mind blowing huge losses over the last year or two, yet the market stays somewhat stable. Ore prices should be soaring, but remain relatively flat or have dropped. Somethings broke in the economy and they won't admit it. It's not a player run economy, it's a player controlled economy, and those who play it know who those few who control it are.
Now granted the real reason that the EVE Eocnomy is so stable is that a lot of the players agree on the prices set and that they tend to keep the market stable. And that's where the similarity ends... for when you look at EU, the entire market here is unstable and again I must point out that the issue again is the players in game.
I mean let's be honest, when you see a person buying animal hide that is currently now at 109% when in reality they're buying it at 101%, what does this tell you about the player? It tells you that he's out to try and make 8% profit on a very generic item. I've seen items that would go for maybe 108 or 109% going for as much as 600%, and in fact the question is why? Again go look at yourselves in the mirror, point yourfinger at yourselves and blame yourselves for this issue. It's agai about the ghreed in EU.
Now as for Even, this guy did something that someone mentioend and in fact here's the tale of that mess:
I suppose it depends on how you play, but when it comes to the standard three professions, I think EU is partially a strategy game, but also based on taking calculated risks.
Nowte what is being said here.. Calculated Risks.. And in fact that's what they do in even a lot. Now what's the difference here? Well let's take a look at everyone's favorite topic, namely space in EU. and before you start blowing the whole subject off, stop and think.(If you have half a brain.) Most pilots that go through space fly through space on a diaily basis, trying to move people (and most notably "Goods" (Read as stackables0 through space, and what do we here in EU hear the most? How person (Insert the name of your favorite avatar who is uber), complain about how they lost (Insert amount0 Dollars, in space. Well. the reality is this.. It's all calculated risks if you are going to move goods through any PVP zone. And in fact Entropia Universe reinforces this fact, by making our space 98 to 99% lootable for stackables.
Now take a look at EVE. The end result is that this guy took a calcuated risk and in fact just like any of our players the end result is taht his gamble was a loss. But here's the difference once again.
While you hear a lot of stories of how much EU players lose X Amount of cash, and this isn't just 1 or 2 isolated cases, it comes out that everyone complains about the loot here in EU. I mean go back over the last 6 years and look at the forums , and actually count the number of complaints about how someone lost a valuable rifle on a scam, or a bunch of loot i space.. We're not talking just 1 or 2 isolated cases, but instead a few hundred.. (And if you try to deny that go back and start looking at the threads.. You'll be surprised to learn that EVE players don't complain that much and EU Players complain a lot.
So then who's the biggest whiners in the MMO Universes? The EU Players of course. we complain on a cale that is maybe 50 to 100 times more than any EVE Player.. and EVE is much like EU in the fact that they have a market (which is more stable than ours) and the fact that they tend to have it wehre players don't tend to complain as much (I shudder to think what it will be like when another MMO hits the airwaves and people flock to that one..(And by flock, I mean we're all acting like seagulls rather than people or maybe we're sheeple"..
But going on This dapper fellow has it right on in spades.. Kind of...
From what I read about Eve events, the epic battles involves over 2000 players, with ships and 3D movement and such...
In EU, the biggest I saw were robot invasions or Arkadia oratan invasions... 200 green dots tops? and lagging as hell.
The catch of this feed, for me, is not that a player lost a virtual 1500$, but the looter got zilch. How about implement that in EU space too - the pirates can have a random loot, including no looters or a fraction of loot.
Bwahahahahahahahahah!
The real issue is not only the lag due to the events but the totally wasted Bandwidth of people just standing around looking at the auction houses for best buys.. There's where the problem begins..
Go to any major point in any major city in EU (LIke Twin Peaks on Calypso or Celeste Quarry on Arkadia) and actually see how many people are moving, and how many are just standing around. And you'll be surprised that about 10 times as many players stand around and most notably around the crafting machines and the Auction House terminals, and what are they doing?
Absolutely nothing. Does anyone know why we have that new notificaiton system in our social interface? It's there because it notifies us the seller that the products we place up on the market, are being sold. But I've noted a lot of times that a lot of items on the EU markets go unsold. The question is.. Why?
The answer my friends might not surprise you.. or maybe it does..
The reality of all this is that it's the players who are controlling, no not controlling, but manipulating the market that exists here, and in fact you can tell that a lot of players tend to over markup prices for common materials on items (Like Ospra on Arkadia), yet they tend to make other items totally worthless.
And let's not forget the sweat prices my dear friends, oh no..
I mean we've all heard tha tsome folks are selling sweat at 1.8-1.9 ped a K, while others ar buying for the same, and yet there are others who are bying 10K of sweat for 3 ped a K. why?
Well over on arkadia there's a passport mission, and they require you to get 10K of sweat. Now I've callculated this out and it boils down to over 33 hours 20 minutes of work (10000 bottles / 300 bottles per hou or 33.3333(Repeating) )
now let's be honest, does any uber or mid level player want to sit and waste about a weeks worth of work days just sweating 10K bottles/ Of course not (and some newer players are more clever by accquiring the bottles for a smaller price of 1.8-1.9 ped a k. Yet the reality is that these people are just wanting to be part of a clique of people who are just out to get their passport on arkadia. Imagine if every planet had this mission, and imagine how much sweat you'd need. The total time 2 man weeks to get this done for all 6 planets (I don't count Monria as a planet..)
But the point is this..
People are lazy.. they want stuff for nothing and want to sell it at a higher price (Buy low sell high if the market statement says it right). many people in RL put in a 40 hour work week, and then they come home and what do they not want to do? Spend another 30-40 hours behind a computer terminal just trying to get a virutal item that is worth nothing really..
(Shows where are priorities are..)
But in closing I say this.. The differences between EU and EVE are different yet the same. The issue of lag exists, and for MA's problem the issue is that it deals with what K-max states.. Ping times.
After all the Internet today isn't created equal. Nor the world for that matter. While most first world and highly evolved countries (The United Sttes, Canada, China, etc) have great internet (and thus the lower ping times0 the rest of the world (Costa Rica, and India for example) don't have as good as a ping time as the rest of us. Even the ping times in different European countries are a wide swing.. and it's that ping time that makes the lag.. and if everyone had to go to a certain level of settings in order to enjoy this game, then they would have to deal with the issue of getting a top notch computer, and this is where the issue lies.. It's all based on how much a person can afford to get a computer built to handle these games.
To me, losing $1500 USD in one calculate risky move is one thing, but that's where EVE and EU differe agian. caus again we players i EU do this on a daily baiis, and a lot of players who wanted the new "Transport costs" fearure got it, yet they don't want to pay the additional costs..
In short, Laziness abounds in EU.. Stand around the terminal all day looking for the best deals, lazy. Acquiring 10 K of sweat without getting your evade up by paying the decay? Lasy. Moving goods through space (And then over pricing it in hopes to get more money for taking that risk? Lazy and stupid..
In short, in EU , the game should be about how to play the game smarter and not harder.. and right now, from where i stand, a lot of players play harder and not smarter.. and that's why they're losing the cash.. Cause it's like banging your head against a wall, eventually you'll get it blooded enough to make you realize how banging your head up against a wall its.. It's just plain stupid..
So yeah what am I saying here/ People ar epeople and people are stupid.. when you boid this around and down to the base, people are stupid lazie and not as intelligent as it seems.
So in the end, You complain about loss, Like I said, go look in the bathroom mirror. Point that finger at the guy in the mirror, and say "I blame you." You'll be glad to do this and keep doing it on a daily baiss.
As for me? I Get up and do this one a daily basis. Sure I beat myself up over every mistake I made but some people live in the denial of this and they in the end, Their denial of their risks eventually ends up like this poor chap in EVE. But we do it on a faster scale then EVE Ever does or ever will
Oh and to the guy that said this:
I have this to say.: blah, blah blah, blah blah blahing blah blah. Blah blah blah's blah blah... blah blah. blah blah blah blah blah, blah alsh blah blahiig blah's blah. Blah blah.
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahs blah blah blan blah blan blan, okay?
Translation: Read this post, and start talking complete sentences.. Cause your comment is lazy.. and stupid.. people are this way and you're not helping humnity's case. Enough said.
Or at least talk in coherent coherent sentences rather than a foreign language , okay?
Gotcha.. (Blah)
Now if you'll excuse me I got to go get an eye check up.. after all this whole thread is giving me too much of an eye strain headache..
Benjamin Ben Coyote (Space Pilot Callsign "Coyote")
a.k.a. "The blind sniper"
