FYI: Whitewash Or Fraud

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Whitewash Or Fraud

After seeing the news about WoF on the client loader I will no longer try to deal with injustice privately in pm. I invite everyone to add it up for themselves. The swirls are all on Entropia Life, and many have chat logs of the event if you prefer those. I have added this up myself many times recently but only one way of adding gives me the scores as announced (this includes having to give both short straw bonuses won by team Guinea to team Australia). If anyone cares to continue playing in a rigged event where judges get to make up rules as they go, I say have fun! As for my future with WoF, I will no longer be involved in any way because my integrity seems to be out of fashion with those in charge of this event.

Below is a copy of my chat logs from the break period during the middle of the match (with a couple of comments added after by me in another color to distinguish them and relevant parts bolded).



2014-12-14 02:05:00 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] guinea is trying to get
2014-12-14 02:00:01 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] with a match this close it would be a crime not to let them play the end hour later
2014-12-14 02:00:22 [Local] [Kitten KittyLee Hermes] they need to just play the last hour later when this gets fixed.
2014-12-14 02:00:22 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] so do I tell the support to stop ?
2014-12-14 02:00:48 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] no reply from australia yet... but I guess if I call stop and we stop scoring then it's fair if they know or not
2014-12-14 02:01:00 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] 2 am dead... STOP
2014-12-14 02:01:04 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] fair?
2014-12-14 02:01:07 [Local] [Kitten KittyLee Hermes] fair
2014-12-14 02:01:10 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] STOP now I mean

2014-12-14 02:01:10 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] I tried to PM Major gravity force (Aus main), it has not echoed back
2014-12-14 02:01:28 [Local] [Kitten KittyLee Hermes] lokia u let main team know?
2014-12-14 02:01:38 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] PM to STOP sent
2014-12-14 02:02:08 [Globals] [] Team "WOF GUINEA MAIN" killed a creature (Caperon Prowler) with a value of 85 PED!
2014-12-14 02:02:19 [Globals] [] Team "WOF AUS Support 1" killed a creature (Atrax Prowler) with a value of 135 PED at Atrax Park OLA #04 (365, 352) North of Nate Valley!!
2014-12-14 02:02:23 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] that didn't count;)
2014-12-14 02:02:31 [Globals] [] Team "AUS WOF SUPPORT AE" killed a creature (Atrax Stalker) with a value of 70 PED at Atrax Park OLA #04 (365, 352) North of Nate Valley!!
2014-12-14 02:02:40 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] i said stop but linz isn't on ts
2014-12-14 02:02:57 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] tried to pm him
2014-12-14 02:03:06 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] we'll keep trying, important thing is we stopped scoring at 2am so all is good.
2014-12-14 02:03:42 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] sent pms to gypsy
2014-12-14 02:04:05 [Local] [Kitten KittyLee Hermes] well since we are officaly stopped im going to log out i need to run to the store to get a few things for dinner.
2014-12-14 02:04:17 [Globals] [] Team "WOF AUS MAIN" killed a creature (Hispidus Dominant) with a value of 58 PED!
2014-12-14 02:04:21 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] I sent PMs to major gravity force ...
back here
2014-12-14 02:05:13 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] they can't tp or move even
2014-12-14 02:05:24 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] and being hit with no mobs anywhere
2014-12-14 02:05:35 [Local] [stekhuset blobb bleppen] hey
2014-12-14 02:05:53 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] hi
2014-12-14 02:05:59 [Local] [Aurora Linzey Zamperath] hey
2014-12-14 02:06:00 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] bad night to be woffing:)
2014-12-14 02:06:04 [Local] [Aurora Linzey Zamperath] indeed
2014-12-14 02:06:23 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] you guys know how close this match is though? exciting stuff:)
2014-12-14 02:06:35 [Local] [Aurora Linzey Zamperath] is it intentional its such small lowlevel mobs for maintem to shoot ??
2014-12-14 02:06:56 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] what a match to interrupt:)
2014-12-14 02:06:59 [Local] [Keira Gypsy Croft] hi
2014-12-14 02:07:00 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] hispidus and caperon are pretty big...
2014-12-14 02:07:12 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] gotta save the biggest stuff til last
2014-12-14 02:07:13 [Local] [Keira Gypsy Croft] whats happening?
2014-12-14 02:07:21 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] I dont think Aus support should have to do 1 last hour ... they capped just after I sent STOP, but before they received STOP ....
2014-12-14 02:07:24 [#wof2014guinea] [Bridget Lokia Parker] we are going to finish later, we have major problems going on
2014-12-14 02:07:42 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] got lag and ctd issues from both sides
2014-12-14 02:07:46 [Local] [Aurora Linzey Zamperath] hispidus young is a mob for a level 15 to shoot, its not for a competition for hunters :)
2014-12-14 02:07:52 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] so we do the last hour another time
2014-12-14 02:08:00 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] we can't reform one of our support teams
2014-12-14 02:08:11 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] You only need 1:)
2014-12-14 02:08:29 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] Only so many big mobs in game that are not event level
2014-12-14 02:08:31 [Local] [Keira Gypsy Croft] so thats it for today?
2014-12-14 02:08:49 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] well the problems did not look like clearing up , stopped the usa match earlier too
2014-12-14 02:09:18 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] so yes, we re-do the last hour with scores as they stand now
2014-12-14 02:09:20 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] gypsy, if we can do last hour starting at 00:00 time after MA fixes their shit it would be nice
2014-12-14 02:09:34 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] 00:00 tomorrow?
2014-12-14 02:09:34 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] what are current scores please
2014-12-14 02:09:45 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] if it's fixed by then
2014-12-14 02:09:54 [Local] [Keira Gypsy Croft] no its monday morning
2014-12-14 02:10:33 [Local] [Keira Gypsy Croft] 00:00 is 11AM monday morning here
2014-12-14 02:10:33 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] what would be a good time for you guys
2014-12-14 02:10:36 [Local] [Jod jod Ekul] Hey WoFFers :)
2014-12-14 02:10:44 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] whild I have some main team here
2014-12-14 02:10:51 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] while*
2014-12-14 02:10:57 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] Aus 393 or 401 atm ... support capped just after I sent STOP, but before they received STOP ..
2014-12-14 02:11:20 [Local] [Keira Gypsy Croft] 07:00 is good for us
2014-12-14 02:13:12 [Local] [Keira Gypsy Croft] will the spawns be there next weekend?
2014-12-14 02:13:22 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] look we have all week to sort this, I can be here anytime really, just agree and post it in the judges thread along with usa/benelux and finland/czech
2014-12-14 02:13:22 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] ok, Aus has 401, and support has capped, so is not needed to complete the match
(Their support only capped if we shoot different time lengths for each team. We had already discounted a Guinea swirl before this. Please have both teams have same standard.)
2014-12-14 02:14:18 [Local] [Keira Gypsy Croft] same time next week?
2014-12-14 02:15:12 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] it's a crime to stop a match that close but there you go
2014-12-14 02:15:33 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] Gypsy, u understand that your support teams wont be needed ?
(This is only correct if their support has got stuff counted after the stop)
2014-12-14 02:15:40 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] next weekend MA start the merry mayhem, might confse things a bit but we can ask
2014-12-14 02:15:44 [Local] [Keira Gypsy Croft] yes
2014-12-14 02:15:47 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] k
2014-12-14 02:15:54 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] we'll still be around though :)
2014-12-14 02:15:57 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] I can finally add people to team again
2014-12-14 02:16:09 [Local] [Brent Wildman Lansing] our suports are up
2014-12-14 02:16:14 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] hmm.....
2014-12-14 02:16:20 [Local] [Brent Wildman Lansing] restart last hour i say
2014-12-14 02:16:26 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] Australia, would you like to try to finish now?
2014-12-14 02:16:32 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] well do you think we could carry on and play the match out now?
2014-12-14 02:16:39 [Local] [ENTROPIAS MOST WANTED] yes
2014-12-14 02:16:43 [Local] [Brent Wildman Lansing] yes
2014-12-14 02:16:58 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] your call australia
2014-12-14 02:17:27 [Local] [Keira Gypsy Croft] ok, if I can create the main team again
2014-12-14 02:17:40 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] ok give it a few mins then we'll restart
2014-12-14 02:17:52 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] 2:17 now we can start up at 2:20
2014-12-14 02:17:55 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] where's Kitty?
2014-12-14 02:17:58 [Local] [ENTROPIAS MOST WANTED] we need our judge here
2014-12-14 02:18:02 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] I can judge the last bit
2014-12-14 02:18:12 [Local] [ENTROPIAS MOST WANTED] kk
2014-12-14 02:18:27 [Local] [Keira Gypsy Croft] I can create a team
2014-12-14 02:18:29 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] Kitty got called away
2014-12-14 02:18:31 [Local] [ENTROPIAS MOST WANTED] give us 5 mins
2014-12-14 02:18:33 [Local] [Keira Gypsy Croft] relogging
2014-12-14 02:18:40 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] I can still judge for Aus
2014-12-14 02:18:42 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] *he can't create team
2014-12-14 02:18:46 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] k all do your thing then let me know when you're ready
2014-12-14 02:19:44 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] I wonder if I should re-log, to make sure I can get back on Aus main team ...
2014-12-14 02:20:12 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] guinea you are 33 points from support cap
2014-12-14 02:20:22 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] australia are capped
2014-12-14 02:20:38 [Local] [ENTROPIAS MOST WANTED] ok man
2014-12-14 02:21:00 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] hisp young/mature/old to get sweep
2014-12-14 02:21:18 [Local] [ENTROPIAS MOST WANTED] ok hurricane team guinea ready on ure go
2014-12-14 02:21:29 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] ok waiting on our antipodean friends
2014-12-14 02:21:30 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] Aus not ready
2014-12-14 02:21:34 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] np
2014-12-14 02:21:42 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] team captain relogging
2014-12-14 02:21:50 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] he wasnt able to create team
2014-12-14 02:23:38 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] gypsy needs to let team time out - 5min?
2014-12-14 02:23:47 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] or he wont be able to re-create it
2014-12-14 02:23:52 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] k
2014-12-14 02:24:17 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] i have gypsy on teamspeak - 3min
2014-12-14 02:24:28 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] 3 is better;)
2014-12-14 02:24:34 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] we need a min too
2014-12-14 02:24:42 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] our main team needs drinks
2014-12-14 02:25:32 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] mac trying to see if he can create a team instead
2014-12-14 02:26:20 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] damn never gonna see this damn bacon sandwich
2014-12-14 02:26:42 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] you have a bacon sandwich ? nom nom nom ...
2014-12-14 02:27:15 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] all I have is an empty glass of Dr. Pepper :(
2014-12-14 02:27:22 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] not got to cook it yet!
2014-12-14 02:27:34 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] that's just a glass dude
2014-12-14 02:28:35 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] lol just had a half-crash here
2014-12-14 02:28:41 [Local] [Keira Gypsy Croft] AUS is ready
2014-12-14 02:28:42 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] Aus judge ready
2014-12-14 02:28:48 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] back now lets start soon before it fucks up again lol
2014-12-14 02:30:36 [System] [] Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake has left the Entropia Universe.
2014-12-14 02:31:04 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] oh crap hurri DC'd
2014-12-14 02:31:14 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] yeah, just noticed
2014-12-14 02:31:32 [System] [] Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake has joined the Entropia Universe.
2014-12-14 02:31:39 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] *waits for NEXT THING...*
2014-12-14 02:31:51 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] wb Hurri
2014-12-14 02:32:04 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] OK
2014-12-14 02:32:06 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] FFS
2014-12-14 02:32:20 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] BOTH READY>?
2014-12-14 02:32:30 [Local] [Keira Gypsy Croft] yes
2014-12-14 02:32:32 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] guinea rdy
2014-12-14 02:33:13 [Local] [ENTROPIAS MOST WANTED] yeah
2014-12-14 02:33:23 [Local] [Aurora Linzey Zamperath] gogo
2014-12-14 02:34:14 [System] [] Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake has left the Entropia Universe.
2014-12-14 02:34:19 [Local] [Aurora Linzey Zamperath] again
2014-12-14 02:34:20 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] hurri DC again ?
2014-12-14 02:34:24 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] YEP
2014-12-14 02:34:27 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] oops
2014-12-14 02:35:45 [System] [] Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake has joined the Entropia Universe.
2014-12-14 02:36:23 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] ok.....
2014-12-14 02:36:25 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] hurri, the faster you say go the sooner the tp chips stop ctd you
2014-12-14 02:37:11 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] 2:37, hunt until 3:37, good luck and GO GO GO!
2014-12-14 02:37:14 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] 2:37, hunt until 3:37, good luck and GO GO GO!
2014-12-14 02:37:16 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] 2:37, hunt until 3:37, good luck and GO GO GO!

(Now we can start counting globals again.)
2014-12-14 02:37:46 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] i'll stay here as liaison with aus team in case of further issues
2014-12-14 02:37:53 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] ok so the scores are guinea 323, aus 401?
2014-12-14 02:37:55 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] i have them all on teamspeak
2014-12-14 02:37:57 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] ok
2014-12-14 02:38:27 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] actualy Aus 411 with that dominant that died before they got my STOP

(If counted from receive of stop I need to stop standing with judges while on TS with my team so we get extra shoot time too.)
2014-12-14 02:38:27 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] I'm on TS with Guinea
2014-12-14 02:38:29 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] or does the 401 not include their last hisp?
2014-12-14 02:38:40 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] ok so 411 vs 323
2014-12-14 02:38:54 [Globals] [] Team "WOF AUST MAIN" killed a creature (Hispidus Alpha) with a value of 75 PED!
2014-12-14 02:39:13 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] so australia gets extra cause guinea got the stop earlier than them?
2014-12-14 02:39:28 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] no the stop was the same time
(Yet globals after the stop keep being added after Guinea global was said to not count.)
2014-12-14 02:39:49 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] just took the global 5min to register
2014-12-14 02:39:56 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] or whatever

(If the WoF rules are not the same for all teams then…I quit now!)
2014-12-14 02:40:02 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] actually .. that global showed up AFTER the team disbanded
2014-12-14 02:40:08 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] chat was frozen that long
2014-12-14 02:40:20 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] and the team disbanded before Hurri said stop ....
2014-12-14 02:40:45 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] so global must have occured before the stop ....
2014-12-14 02:40:46 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] then finally started catching back up with the backlog
2014-12-14 02:40:46 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] we can look at whatever exists iof the chat log to verify later, no extra scores will occur
 
What exactly is the problem? I guess I dont understand the point you are making :scratch2:
 
For the hard of thinking,

I will simplify. In what way can the judging of WoF be deemed fair if different teams have different time in which their scores count and the bonuses earned by one team are flippantly given to the other? :scratch2:
 
just use global time stamp...otherwise anyone can say "oh i killed that one 20 minutes ago wtf". Time stamps are hard and fast and easy to apply fairly, if lag caused your global to show up too late, then that's life...
 
I completely agree with using timestamp, that is my whole point. They had scores counted that were timestamped after the stop and it changes the results drastically.
 
Does any of this have to do with comparing with entropialife and that EL is about 3-5 minutes off from game time? Could just be a misunderstanding.
 
I personally used my own chat logs from the match to add the scores many times. EL is just a suggestion as a way that anyone who wants to double check the scores can use as a tool for doing so.
 
I completely agree with using timestamp, that is my whole point. They had scores counted that were timestamped after the stop and it changes the results drastically.

So you are talking about what took place during a few mins when there were communication break downs due to who knows what.

This is the big conspiracy you are going on about?

Just work it out with Hurrikane... I don't see the reason for a bunch of drama and accusations in a public thread.
 
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For any who would like my original chat logs from the event to check scores I am willing to send them. I'm sure others have chat logs from that day also and would be willing to share.
 
wasnt team Guinea for the purpose of highlighting an issue?
 
wasnt team Guinea for the purpose of highlighting an issue?

No, it was created for the purpose of causing drama with Team USA.

The whole "Ebola Awareness" thing was simply a PR ploy.
 
I'm on the Aussie team so I could be seen to have a vested interest but...

1. Judges aren't always perfect, especially when things are getting crazy (we all remember the lag problems).
2. However judges decisions are final.
3. The impact on the overall WOF standings are minor. Neither team was due to be eliminated and there is little significant change in positions going to the next round.


Choosing to pull out over some problems in a non critical match is a little over the top. Let it go Lokia.
 
2014-12-14 02:01:00 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] 2 am dead... STOP

2014-12-14 02:02:08 [Globals] [] Team "WOF GUINEA MAIN" killed a creature (Caperon Prowler) with a value of 85 PED!
2014-12-14 02:02:19 [Globals] [] Team "WOF AUS Support 1" killed a creature (Atrax Prowler) with a value of 135 PED at Atrax Park OLA #04 (365, 352) North of Nate Valley!!
2014-12-14 02:02:31 [Globals] [] Team "AUS WOF SUPPORT AE" killed a creature (Atrax Stalker) with a value of 70 PED at Atrax Park OLA #04 (365, 352) North of Nate Valley!!
2014-12-14 02:04:17 [Globals] [] Team "WOF AUS MAIN" killed a creature (Hispidus Dominant) with a value of 58 PED!


The way we've done it EVERY time that I have been there regarding stopping a match and counting globals or not came down ONLY to when the official in charge called out the STOP in local chat. Whether other judges get the word out to their teams in a timely manner or not was meaningless....the local chat is KING. I get that this is a little different case as it was a premature stop, but I can see no reason at all for handling it any differently. It is the ONLY fair way to do it as there is absolutely no way to determine a time after that when you can call the stop time. And if Guinea was given one stop time essentially and Australia a different time because they didn't get word, THAT IS JUST INSANE.

None of the globals that followed after Hurrikane called STOP in local chat should count, PERIOD.

If that is what is happening, then Lokia has a valid complaint and it should be corrected.
 
I want to mention a special case, in case there is something deemed to be injust:

For the two slots when the match was aborted due to extreme lags (19-22 MA time), practically the cut-off was not mentioned in realtime. Those matches were pretty much deemed to have stopped half-time (after 1½ hour). During those very matches at the time the problem begun, the loot was sporadic (to extremes 20 minutes between globals), and it could take one message over 5 minutes to arrive (giving roundtime, in chat, to be 10 minutes).

Edit: To sum it up, I agree with Mack.

In an intense match it could happen that a global happens while a judge is typing the STOP message to the team and a global is missed that way, and the rules deals with this by saying it's the stop message in local chat at the judges that counts.
The only time it woud be unfair would be if the STOP message comes *before* 3 hours has passed, but once the match time has passed 3 hours, any more seconds after that should be seen as bonus for the hunting teams(*).

As for entropialife I think it could be seen as a hint if a global is missed during a match ("did they get an allophyl global"). But I don't know enough of it to be able to say if it's a reliable source to see if a global was within the match time frame or not.

(*) Usually main judge mentions in beginning of match "hunt until ...".

At the end, it's the judges and finally Hurrikane who has the final word of approving/not approving a certain score.
 
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With that said in my previous post....


I don't know what happened after the restart regarding Australia support, but if they were told that they were capped (incorrectly), and no longer needed to go out in the final hour, they should not be penalized for the judges error. There is no doubt that they would have capped if they only needed 1 or 2 more globals. In this case Australia should be given the support max score and it is only the main team global that happened some 3-4 minutes later that should be dropped. I haven't checked the entire chat log to calculate my own score so not sure what the final actually would be or what was reported and how final results are effected, but seems like the only fair way to handle this to me.
 
From what I remember of this event the reason we kept going was due to chat taking for ever just to post (among other issues) but I understand there has to be an official stop time and that was called....fair enough.

If guinea feels they should be awarded the win and the rules support that then give them the win.
Not one Australian wants to win that way anyway.

You could have just spoken to the Aussie captain and got it sorted because as I said none of us want to win by special treatment.


Not sure that it changes anything at the end of the day anyway.



P.S. Its Fraud...definitely fraud....we paid good money for special treatment,it better not be changed now :silly2:
 
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Lokia, I was in PM with the judge (Grey Greyhair Sloth), and the time we got the STOP according to my chat log was 02:04:42.

The lag had been appalling for about 20min by that stage, but we'd continued to try hunt through it so that we could finish the match.
PM's were taking several minutes to be received. There was about 6minutes difference between the
Teleporting wasn't working.
Loot lag was mind-numbing.

I'll interleave the global times according to your post with the ones that show in my chatlog so you can see the sorts of time lags we were dealing with:
14-12-14 02:02:08 [Globals] [] Team "WOF GUINEA MAIN" killed a creature (Caperon Prowler) with a value of 85 PED!
2014-12-14 02:08:09 [Globals] [] Team "WOF GUINEA MAIN" killed a creature (Caperon Prowler) with a value of 85 PED!

2014-12-14 02:02:19 [Globals] [] Team "WOF AUS Support 1" killed a creature (Atrax Prowler) with a value of 135 PED at Atrax Park OLA #04 (365, 352) North of Nate Valley!!
2014-12-14 02:08:10 [Globals] [] Team "WOF AUS Support 1" killed a creature (Atrax Prowler) with a value of 135 PED at Atrax Park OLA #04 (365, 352) North of Nate Valley!!

2014-12-14 02:02:31 [Globals] [] Team "AUS WOF SUPPORT AE" killed a creature (Atrax Stalker) with a value of 70 PED at Atrax Park OLA #04 (365, 352) North of Nate Valley!!
2014-12-14 02:08:17 [Globals] [] Team "AUS WOF SUPPORT AE" killed a creature (Atrax Stalker) with a value of 70 PED at Atrax Park OLA #04 (365, 352) North of Nate Valley!!

I think the judges were trying to deal with a very difficult situation, and making the best decisions they could.
However, we had nearly an hour left of the match after the restart. We'd been specifically told that we had reached the support cap, and that support teams were no longer required - so most of them logged off.
I stayed with the judges for the rest of the match, so that I could relay any further messages to our Main Team through Teamspeak, in case the lag blew out again.
Given we had an hour to play though - if that last global 'shouldn't count', do you really think we couldn't have easily picked up those few points to reach the cap?


I'm happy to leave any decision about this up to Hurrikane's judgement. If he wants a copy of my chat log and private message log file for the match to compare times, I'm happy to email him the files.
 
Lokia sent me her chat log and I ran my script on it and it looks like the scores posted on the client server are correct. The globals after Hurrikane said "STOP" in local chat were NOT counted, except that Australia was given an additional 2 points to complete the support cap (would have been 98 points, but were scored for 100). It was not Australia's fault they were told prematurely that they were capped so seems fair to give them the 2 points. Those 2 points did not change any results of who won or the overall team standings.

I still understand the frustration Lokia was feeling. Judges really need to defer to Hurrikane during these kinds of complications rather than making rule judgements on their own if they don't know for sure. In the end we are all human and Hurrikane caught it all and corrected it.

Summary of scoring:

Team scores:

Guinea - 472 (all mob points, sweep, bonus mob, variety bonuses).
Australia - 499 (all mob points, sweep, bonus mob, variety bonuses).

Guinea - 472 + 10 (Short Straw - Kingfisher) + 10 (Short Straw - Sabakuma) = 492
Australia - 501 + 15 (loot bonus) = 516

Australia - 516 + 100 (win bonus) = 616

As noted above, Australia score of 501 includes 2 extra point to complete support cap.

Was a very close match indeed. Just 45 ped difference in the main team loots gave Australia the 15 point loot bonus. An extra 46 ped in entire main team global loot for Guinea and they would have had the match.

Good luck to all teams in Stage 4!

-Mack
 
Lokia sent me her chat log and I ran my script on it and it looks like the scores posted on the client server are correct. The globals after Hurrikane said "STOP" in local chat were NOT counted, except that Australia was given an additional 2 points to complete the support cap (would have been 98 points, but were scored for 100). It was not Australia's fault they were told prematurely that they were capped so seems fair to give them the 2 points. Those 2 points did not change any results of who won or the overall team standings.

I still understand the frustration Lokia was feeling. Judges really need to defer to Hurrikane during these kinds of complications rather than making rule judgements on their own if they don't know for sure. In the end we are all human and Hurrikane caught it all and corrected it.

Summary of scoring:

Team scores:

Guinea - 472 (all mob points, sweep, bonus mob, variety bonuses).
Australia - 499 (all mob points, sweep, bonus mob, variety bonuses).

Guinea - 472 + 10 (Short Straw - Kingfisher) + 10 (Short Straw - Sabakuma) = 492
Australia - 501 + 15 (loot bonus) = 516

Australia - 516 + 100 (win bonus) = 616

As noted above, Australia score of 501 includes 2 extra point to complete support cap.

Was a very close match indeed. Just 45 ped difference in the main team loots gave Australia the 15 point loot bonus. An extra 46 ped in entire main team global loot for Guinea and they would have had the match.

Good luck to all teams in Stage 4!

-Mack

Looks like this is a fair resolution to me.. Not sure why a troll got involved with something that had nothing to do with him. Lokia tried to resolve this for some time I see her point as well bringing it to open forum as this wasn't getting resolved via PMs. WoF ON, and wrap your rascal or you'll get Ebola! :beerchug:
 
Short and simple, for those who are wanting to troll (*ahem* see certain player's posts in here) or for those who d not want to read it all...

The concern is that judges were not adhering strictly to rules and stoppages, and after this was brought up, Lokia was ignored time and time again. Whether the results change or not is irrelevant, but its about HOW ISSUES ARE BEING HANDLES BY THE JUDGES.

Doing a lazy job is NOT a proper handling for any event, and ignoring the concerns of the team captains is NOT OKAY. Team captains exist for a reason... not just to help sync up the team, but to relay issues to the judges and solve any pending issues.

I know that Lokia has been working on this since THAT DAY and NO ONE took responsibility for any of the mess-ups or even acknowledged ANY errors.

It is unacceptable.
 
This is my log of all local chat from the time that I arrived to join the judges when a halt was called due to lag,til the end of the match. It's a bit long so I'll put it in a scrollable box for space considerations).

Code:
2014-12-14 02:14:50 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] I have 323 for guinea too (a sweep and 2 points in it lol)
2014-12-14 02:15:11 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] it's a crime to stop a match that close but there you go
2014-12-14 02:15:32 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] Gypsy, u understand that your support teams wont be needed ?
2014-12-14 02:15:39 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] next weekend MA start the merry mayhem, might confse things a bit but we can ask
2014-12-14 02:15:43 [Local] [Keira Gypsy Croft] yes
2014-12-14 02:15:46 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] k
2014-12-14 02:15:53 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] we'll still be around though :)
2014-12-14 02:15:56 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] I can finally add people to team again
2014-12-14 02:16:08 [Local] [Brent Wildman Lansing] our suports are up
2014-12-14 02:16:12 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] hmm.....
2014-12-14 02:16:19 [Local] [Brent Wildman Lansing] restart last hour i say
2014-12-14 02:16:24 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] Australia, would you like to try to finish now?
2014-12-14 02:16:30 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] well do you think we could carry on and play the match out now?
2014-12-14 02:16:38 [Local] [ENTROPIAS MOST WANTED] yes
2014-12-14 02:16:42 [Local] [Brent Wildman Lansing] yes
2014-12-14 02:16:57 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] your call australia
2014-12-14 02:17:25 [Local] [Keira Gypsy Croft] ok, if I can create the main team again
2014-12-14 02:17:38 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] ok give it a few mins then we'll restart
2014-12-14 02:17:51 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] 2:17 now we can start up at 2:20
2014-12-14 02:17:53 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] where's Kitty?
2014-12-14 02:17:57 [Local] [ENTROPIAS MOST WANTED] we need our judge here
2014-12-14 02:18:01 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] I can judge the last bit
2014-12-14 02:18:10 [Local] [ENTROPIAS MOST WANTED] kk
2014-12-14 02:18:25 [Local] [Keira Gypsy Croft] I can create a team
2014-12-14 02:18:28 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] Kitty got called away
2014-12-14 02:18:30 [Local] [ENTROPIAS MOST WANTED] give us 5 mins
2014-12-14 02:18:31 [Local] [Keira Gypsy Croft] relogging
2014-12-14 02:18:38 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] I can still judge for Aus
2014-12-14 02:18:40 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] *he can't create team
2014-12-14 02:18:45 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] k all do your thing then let me know when you're ready
2014-12-14 02:19:43 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] I wonder if I should re-log, to make sure I can get back on Aus main team ...
2014-12-14 02:20:06 [Local] [Keira Gypsy Croft] relogging
2014-12-14 02:20:11 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] guinea you are 33 points from support cap
2014-12-14 02:20:21 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] australia are capped
2014-12-14 02:20:37 [Local] [ENTROPIAS MOST WANTED] ok man
2014-12-14 02:20:59 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] hisp young/mature/old to get sweep
2014-12-14 02:21:16 [Local] [ENTROPIAS MOST WANTED] ok hurricane team guinea ready on ure go
2014-12-14 02:21:28 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] ok waiting on our antipodean friends
2014-12-14 02:21:29 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] Aus not ready
2014-12-14 02:21:32 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] np
2014-12-14 02:21:40 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] team captain relogging
2014-12-14 02:21:48 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] he wasnt able to create team
2014-12-14 02:23:36 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] gypsy needs to let team time out - 5min?
2014-12-14 02:23:46 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] or he wont be able to re-create it
2014-12-14 02:23:51 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] k
2014-12-14 02:24:16 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] i have gypsy on teamspeak - 3min
2014-12-14 02:24:27 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] 3 is better;)
2014-12-14 02:24:32 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] we need a min too
2014-12-14 02:24:41 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] our main team needs drinks
2014-12-14 02:25:31 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] mac trying to see if he can create a team instead
2014-12-14 02:26:19 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] damn never gonna see this damn bacon sandwich
2014-12-14 02:26:40 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] you have a bacon sandwich ? nom nom nom ...
2014-12-14 02:27:14 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] all I have is an empty glass of Dr. Pepper :(
2014-12-14 02:27:21 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] not got to cook it yet!
2014-12-14 02:27:33 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] that's just a glass dude
2014-12-14 02:27:47 [Local] [Keira Gypsy Croft] ready
2014-12-14 02:28:34 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] lol just had a half-crash here
2014-12-14 02:28:40 [Local] [Keira Gypsy Croft] AUS is ready
2014-12-14 02:28:41 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] Aus judge ready
2014-12-14 02:28:47 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] back now lets start soon before it fucks up again lol
2014-12-14 02:29:05 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] ok... NEXT THING
2014-12-14 02:31:03 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] oh crap hurri DC'd
2014-12-14 02:31:13 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] yeah, just noticed
2014-12-14 02:31:38 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] *waits for NEXT THING...*
2014-12-14 02:31:50 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] wb Hurri
2014-12-14 02:32:03 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] OK
2014-12-14 02:32:05 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] FFS
2014-12-14 02:32:19 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] BOTH READY>?
2014-12-14 02:32:29 [Local] [Keira Gypsy Croft] yes
2014-12-14 02:32:31 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] guinea rdy
2014-12-14 02:33:12 [Local] [ENTROPIAS MOST WANTED] yeah
2014-12-14 02:33:22 [Local] [Aurora Linzey Zamperath] gogo
2014-12-14 02:34:18 [Local] [Aurora Linzey Zamperath] again
2014-12-14 02:34:19 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] hurri DC again ?
2014-12-14 02:34:23 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] YEP
2014-12-14 02:34:26 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] oops
2014-12-14 02:36:22 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] ok.....
2014-12-14 02:36:24 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] hurri, the faster you say go the sooner the tp chips stop ctd you
2014-12-14 02:36:50 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] next thing I say (i hope) will be the start
2014-12-14 02:37:10 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] 2:37, hunt until 3:37, good luck and GO GO GO!
2014-12-14 02:37:13 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] 2:37, hunt until 3:37, good luck and GO GO GO!
2014-12-14 02:37:15 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] 2:37, hunt until 3:37, good luck and GO GO GO!
2014-12-14 02:37:45 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] i'll stay here as liaison with aus team in case of further issues
2014-12-14 02:37:52 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] ok so the scores are guinea 323, aus 401?
2014-12-14 02:37:54 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] i have them all on teamspeak
2014-12-14 02:37:56 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] ok
2014-12-14 02:38:26 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] actualy Aus 411 with that dominant that died before they got my STOP
2014-12-14 02:38:26 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] I'm on TS with Guinea
2014-12-14 02:38:28 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] or does the 401 not include their last hisp?
2014-12-14 02:38:39 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] ok so 411 vs 323
2014-12-14 02:39:12 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] so australia gets extra cause guinea got the stop earlier than them?
2014-12-14 02:39:27 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] no the stop was the same time
2014-12-14 02:39:48 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] just took the global 5min to register
2014-12-14 02:39:55 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] or whatever
2014-12-14 02:40:01 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] actually .. that global showed up AFTER the team disbanded
2014-12-14 02:40:07 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] chat was frozen that long
2014-12-14 02:40:19 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] and the team disbanded before Hurri said stop ....
2014-12-14 02:40:44 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] so global must have occured before the stop ....
2014-12-14 02:40:45 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] then finally started catching back up with the backlog
2014-12-14 02:40:45 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] we can look at whatever exists iof the chat log to verify later, no extra scores will occur
2014-12-14 02:40:58 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] but that one looked legit
2014-12-14 02:41:03 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] ok hurri
2014-12-14 02:41:37 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] I don't want to cause problems, just want a fun fair match
2014-12-14 02:41:44 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] same, this match rocks
2014-12-14 02:41:52 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] wish MA wasn't messing with everyone
2014-12-14 02:41:53 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] lets hope it doesn't make a difference
2014-12-14 02:42:27 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] grz on your sweep :)
2014-12-14 02:42:37 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] sweep!
2014-12-14 02:43:55 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] still got 33 points of support left to get,,, australia need to keep you at bay with nain alone
2014-12-14 02:43:57 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] main*
2014-12-14 02:45:31 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] wouldn't like to be a Hispidus right now
2014-12-14 02:46:15 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] [Team] [@Max Marmac Power] : that spawn didnt last long :P
2014-12-14 02:46:31 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] :)
2014-12-14 02:46:52 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] might ask for more spawns for next stage
2014-12-14 02:47:11 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] too many is better than running out
2014-12-14 02:47:42 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] well there were supposed to be a load of spawns this stage...
2014-12-14 02:47:45 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] at least on the 4 and 10 point mobs ... it seems every1 pigs out on the biggest they can :)
2014-12-14 02:49:23 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] what is scores at now?
2014-12-14 02:49:35 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] 441 to 404
2014-12-14 02:49:50 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] to aus
2014-12-14 02:53:03 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] each have a short straw to come so far
2014-12-14 02:53:29 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] guinea got the saba, aus got the kingfisher
2014-12-14 02:59:27 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] big lack of hisp hofs....
2014-12-14 02:59:43 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] how close is guinea support to cap?
2014-12-14 02:59:51 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] 29 poiunts
2014-12-14 03:03:09 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] time left?
2014-12-14 03:03:18 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] 34 mins
2014-12-14 03:03:58 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] ends at 3:37
2014-12-14 03:04:55 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] if I ctd again I will be a little while relogging as I will be cooking bacon
2014-12-14 03:05:13 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] mmmm.. bacon ..
2014-12-14 03:05:31 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] bacon, eg, strong cheddar, chilli sauce, fresh bread.... cannot wait
2014-12-14 03:05:37 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] egg*
2014-12-14 03:05:47 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] at least I have a not-empty' glass of Dr. Pepper now ...
2014-12-14 03:05:52 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] lol
2014-12-14 03:06:00 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] wonder what his PhD was on
2014-12-14 03:06:03 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] in*
2014-12-14 03:06:05 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] 1 bowl used cherry pits here ;)
2014-12-14 03:06:17 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] ok EMW just logged
2014-12-14 03:06:26 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] he's relogging
2014-12-14 03:06:26 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] where did they get that font?
2014-12-14 03:07:07 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] or are they just freign letters/puctuation?
2014-12-14 03:07:17 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] foreign* punctuation*
2014-12-14 03:07:42 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] EU support unicode ... so there are 64k different characters ...
2014-12-14 03:07:49 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] kk
2014-12-14 03:07:59 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] may have to look up unicode one day then
2014-12-14 03:08:09 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] ʤ
2014-12-14 03:08:22 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] most of them are kanji ...
2014-12-14 03:08:23 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] can copy/paste from character map
2014-12-14 03:08:37 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] character map?
2014-12-14 03:08:38 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] ᶑ
2014-12-14 03:08:43 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] lol all I know is wof
2014-12-14 03:08:44 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] well most :)
2014-12-14 03:08:46 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] truly
2014-12-14 03:08:56 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] under system tools on start menu
2014-12-14 03:09:00 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] k
2014-12-14 03:09:21 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] I don't even use auto-fire, I like every click to count lol
2014-12-14 03:09:34 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] start/all programs/accessories/systemtools
2014-12-14 03:10:04 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] 50 points behind aus now
2014-12-14 03:10:20 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] aus 481
2014-12-14 03:10:21 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] 481-431
2014-12-14 03:10:58 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] 26 mins to go
2014-12-14 03:11:03 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] including loot bonus?
2014-12-14 03:11:06 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] no
2014-12-14 03:11:10 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] kk, ta
2014-12-14 03:11:11 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] I'd love to see another match decided by the final bonuses ...
2014-12-14 03:12:19 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] its happened before - first wof in Aus US match
2014-12-14 03:13:06 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] it happened in usa/italy match last week too
2014-12-14 03:13:13 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] aus have the loot at the moment... 1789 to 2214 PED
2014-12-14 03:13:26 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] cant be
2014-12-14 03:13:35 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] is that only main team?
2014-12-14 03:13:43 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] yes
2014-12-14 03:13:46 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] ah ok
2014-12-14 03:13:49 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] yeah, only main unless loot is tied ...
2014-12-14 03:14:13 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] *relieved sigh*
2014-12-14 03:15:21 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] god, don't even know which of my team I should yell/beg/plead with
2014-12-14 03:15:29 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] :)
2014-12-14 03:15:47 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] from looking at the wal of yellow on the team chat I;d say they were trying:)
2014-12-14 03:16:08 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] hi Coz:)
2014-12-14 03:16:20 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] gday coz :)
2014-12-14 03:16:29 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] hi coz
2014-12-14 03:16:48 [Local] [Warden Coz Coz] training another, eh Lokia?  :-P
2014-12-14 03:18:41 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] as globals now happen on low ped amounts for mobs with low health, u reckon they'll make bigger mobs only global on say 300 ped etc?
2014-12-14 03:19:03 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] 19 mins
2014-12-14 03:19:36 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] weirdly wishing a team with skalman and linzey on it luck, like they're the underdogs here
2014-12-14 03:19:44 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] sshh hurri, wash your mouth out before MA see that suggestion
2014-12-14 03:19:51 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] :)
2014-12-14 03:19:54 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] the global one that is
2014-12-14 03:20:01 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] globals r like slot machine jackpots ... every casino wants bells and sirens going off all the time to suck ppl in ...
2014-12-14 03:20:07 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] yeah
2014-12-14 03:20:23 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] less globals would not be their plan
2014-12-14 03:20:29 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] we are the underdogs right now
2014-12-14 03:20:34 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] exactly
2014-12-14 03:20:38 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] MA don't like us
2014-12-14 03:20:47 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] 31 pts in it... 46 with loot
2014-12-14 03:21:53 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] maybe Caps will global more than Hisps ... guinea not out of it yet
2014-12-14 03:22:16 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] well there might be caperons LEFT, think they shot all the hisps
2014-12-14 03:23:03 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] unexpected...
2014-12-14 03:23:26 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] 216 ped away from claiming the loot back
2014-12-14 03:23:44 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] kk, ta
2014-12-14 03:23:53 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] but makes sense .. if they can take short straw from Aus ... 20 point swing
2014-12-14 03:24:01 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] yup
2014-12-14 03:24:27 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] oh man this one is close
2014-12-14 03:24:36 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] it worked....
2014-12-14 03:24:38 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] and they did it
2014-12-14 03:24:46 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] clever:)
2014-12-14 03:24:57 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] and that loot ....
2014-12-14 03:25:06 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] yup they took the loot too
2014-12-14 03:25:19 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] they leading now
2014-12-14 03:25:21 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] so score now?
2014-12-14 03:25:25 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] ok so now I can cheer australia on
2014-12-14 03:25:28 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] aus 481
2014-12-14 03:25:52 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] score, time and how close is guinea support to max
2014-12-14 03:25:53 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] 458-481 but guinea get 20+15 BONUS SO FAR... 486!
2014-12-14 03:26:11 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] support have 18 left to get
2014-12-14 03:26:23 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] 11  minutes to go
2014-12-14 03:26:26 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] v close then
2014-12-14 03:26:45 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] SO close:)
2014-12-14 03:26:56 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] could australia stop running hisp onto my guys please
2014-12-14 03:26:57 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] it's a flip of a coin right now
2014-12-14 03:27:18 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] if they are then they shouldn't....
2014-12-14 03:27:40 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] I'm sure it was accident that is why I ask nicely
2014-12-14 03:28:07 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] score please
2014-12-14 03:28:10 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] fapper was looking for his main team person
2014-12-14 03:28:47 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] 491 - 472 (+35)
2014-12-14 03:29:16 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] 8 minutes
2014-12-14 03:30:14 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] 7 minutes
2014-12-14 03:31:00 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] no emw now
2014-12-14 03:31:25 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] not sure what happened to him trying to get ahold of him
2014-12-14 03:31:35 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] but it's late there :(
2014-12-14 03:31:38 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] 5 and a half mins
2014-12-14 03:32:40 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] 501-507 (with bonuses) to guinea
2014-12-14 03:32:43 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] LOL
2014-12-14 03:32:54 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] *crosses fingers*
2014-12-14 03:32:59 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] 4 minutes to go
2014-12-14 03:34:07 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] 3 minutes
2014-12-14 03:35:07 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] TWO MINUTES
2014-12-14 03:35:22 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] oh the tension
2014-12-14 03:35:25 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] woohoo
2014-12-14 03:35:39 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] 90 secs
2014-12-14 03:36:13 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] australia grab loot back!
2014-12-14 03:36:19 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] ONE MINUTE
2014-12-14 03:36:29 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] soooo close
2014-12-14 03:37:08 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] STOPPPPPPPPPPPP
2014-12-14 03:37:36 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] wow what a match
2014-12-14 03:37:54 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] down to the last minute :)
2014-12-14 03:37:56 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] love this
2014-12-14 03:39:31 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] easily one of the best matches I've ever judged or seen
2014-12-14 03:40:38 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] are australia back? guinea seem to be
2014-12-14 03:40:48 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] on way
2014-12-14 03:41:06 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] marmac here
2014-12-14 03:41:06 [Local] [Keira Gypsy Croft] Australia checking in
2014-12-14 03:41:28 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] Ok first, THANK YOU to both teams for a truly enjoyable match to watch, een with the tea-break at 2hrs
2014-12-14 03:41:31 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] even*
2014-12-14 03:41:38 [Local] [stekhuset blobb bleppen] :)
2014-12-14 03:41:38 [Local] [Warants Skalman Skalmansson] gg everyone
2014-12-14 03:41:54 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] so... hate to say this, but there;s only one winner....
2014-12-14 03:41:58 [Local] [Keira Gypsy Croft] was exciting match for sure
2014-12-14 03:41:59 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] thank you australia for the good match
2014-12-14 03:41:59 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] well done everyone, right down to the wire :)
2014-12-14 03:42:01 [Local] [Max Marmac Power] yeah great stuff. Was a hard slog there for a while
2014-12-14 03:42:04 [Local] [Max Marmac Power] massive lag
2014-12-14 03:42:05 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] SCORES: GUINEA vs AUSTRALIA
2014-12-14 03:42:07 [Local] [Brent Wildman Lansing] nice run dispite the issues
2014-12-14 03:42:30 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] GUINEA: Loot 2458 PED... score 492
2014-12-14 03:42:53 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] AUSTRALIA: Loot 2576 PED... score 626!
2014-12-14 03:43:08 [Local] [Max Marmac Power] nice
2014-12-14 03:43:09 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] well done both teams, you swapped the lead about 20 times each there
2014-12-14 03:43:13 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] wow, so close on loot too
2014-12-14 03:43:13 [Local] [Max Marmac Power] great effort from all
2014-12-14 03:43:16 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] great match people
2014-12-14 03:43:19 [Local] [Szilard Skeezer Aszkenaze] gz
2014-12-14 03:43:30 [Local] [Brent Wildman Lansing] gz
2014-12-14 03:43:33 [Local] [Freegon Grading Maloon] gz
2014-12-14 03:43:36 [Local] [Warants Skalman Skalmansson] grats and gg everyone
2014-12-14 03:43:40 [Local] [Keira Gypsy Croft] ty for the good match all
2014-12-14 03:43:41 [Local] [tilka the freelancer] gg
2014-12-14 03:43:44 [Local] [Aurora Linzey Zamperath] gg gratz
2014-12-14 03:44:16 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] before the bonuses it was 472- 511... 10 mins before that it was Guinea's match on loot and short straw.... never seen the lead switch so much
2014-12-14 03:44:24 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] that was so close
2014-12-14 03:44:48 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] Hurri you will have all my chat logs in a few min
2014-12-14 03:44:54 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] can safely say that if you two meet again I am bringing a bgger bit of paper
2014-12-14 03:44:59 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] k
2014-12-14 03:45:19 [Local] [Keira Gypsy Croft] do u want my chat log
2014-12-14 03:45:31 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] that was a fun match to judge ... it is too bad some1 had to lose :(
2014-12-14 03:45:32 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] I thinkwe can safely say Africa will not be progressing.
2014-12-14 03:45:49 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] never rooted for both teams before:)
2014-12-14 03:45:52 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] he needs mine, I sort of judged a match
2014-12-14 03:45:59 [Local] [Keira Gypsy Croft] ok
2014-12-14 03:46:07 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] although team I was judging never showed
2014-12-14 03:46:10 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] lol
2014-12-14 03:46:40 [Local] [Keira Gypsy Croft] cya all, got to go eat
2014-12-14 03:46:47 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] if anyone wants to send me chat logs for any match then it all helps if there is a problem.... bedragonned@yahoo.co.uk
2014-12-14 03:46:47 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] thanks again hurri, for organising all this :)
2014-12-14 03:46:49 [Local] [stekhuset blobb bleppen] never seen so many ppl needed on one hisp before lol
2014-12-14 03:47:00 [Local] [NoReMoRsE MoRsE theados] lol
2014-12-14 03:47:15 [Local] [NoReMoRsE MoRsE theados] agreed blobb..;)
2014-12-14 03:47:32 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] yup I have noted the objection to smaller mobs like younger hisps, be assured the mobs get genrally bigger from here
2014-12-14 03:47:47 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] but there will still be one or two you'll hate me for
2014-12-14 03:47:57 [Local] [stekhuset blobb bleppen] hehe
2014-12-14 03:48:27 [Local] [Max Marmac Power] thanks Hurri, thanks all
2014-12-14 03:48:29 [Local] [Max Marmac Power] bb
2014-12-14 03:48:38 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] oh and gratz to Guinea support for that massive Atrax
2014-12-14 03:48:49 [Local] [Curly Twist Bender] thanks
2014-12-14 03:48:53 [Local] [Szilard Skeezer Aszkenaze] thanks that was crazy
2014-12-14 03:49:21 [Local] [Szilard Skeezer Aszkenaze] right as games tarted falling apart ;-)
2014-12-14 03:49:36 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] no more rounds now til after Xmas?
2014-12-14 03:49:43 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] oh and skalman for his mushroom:)
2014-12-14 03:49:56 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] No, looks like 1st or 2nd weekend of january now
2014-12-14 03:50:08 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] new moblist up tonight or tomorrow though
2014-12-14 03:50:13 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] ok, cool, back from hols by then :)
2014-12-14 03:50:16 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] tomorrow*
2014-12-14 03:50:27 [Local] [Harena Serica Turbinis] merry xmas and happy hols all :)
2014-12-14 03:50:44 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] well they sprang this wof on me, and themselves, really.... it;s supposed to be a test -bed for next year
2014-12-14 03:50:46 [Local] [Szilard Skeezer Aszkenaze] thanks serica - back at ya!

Two things to note:
1. Australia was specifically told in local chat - in front of all judges, Lokia, and Guinea main team members - that support teams would no longer be needed. Noone objected.
2. The only dispute about scoring was shortly after the match restarted, when there was a discussion about the whether Australia's final main team global before the break should be included. Leaving out my own comments, it went:

2014-12-14 02:39:12 [Local] [Bridget Lokia Parker] so australia gets extra cause guinea got the stop earlier than them?
2014-12-14 02:39:27 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] no the stop was the same time
2014-12-14 02:40:01 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] actually .. that global showed up AFTER the team disbanded
2014-12-14 02:40:19 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] and the team disbanded before Hurri said stop ....
2014-12-14 02:40:44 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] so global must have occured before the stop ....
2014-12-14 02:40:45 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] we can look at whatever exists iof the chat log to verify later, no extra scores will occur
2014-12-14 02:40:58 [Local] [Oscar Hurrikane Skyquake] but that one looked legit

To suggest that there was a 'whitewash' or some sort of fraud involved on the part of the judges is frankly offensive.
 
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The concern is that judges were not adhering strictly to rules and stoppages, and after this was brought up, Lokia was ignored time and time again. Whether the results change or not is irrelevant, but its about HOW ISSUES ARE BEING HANDLES BY THE JUDGES.

Doing a lazy job is NOT a proper handling for any event, and ignoring the concerns of the team captains is NOT OKAY. Team captains exist for a reason... not just to help sync up the team, but to relay issues to the judges and solve any pending issues.

I know that Lokia has been working on this since THAT DAY and NO ONE took responsibility for any of the mess-ups or even acknowledged ANY errors.

It is unacceptable.

I've tried to be supportive of what was obviously a frustrating situation for team Guinea, but you are losing any sympathy I have for the situation. Lokia wasn't ignored during the match. As was pointed out from the chat log, Hurrikane stated he would look into after the match. That is ALWAYS the way it goes. It is impossible to make major corrections during the match while you are trying to keep track of scores. Scores announced at the end of the match are ALWAYS unofficial until Hurrikane and the other judges have a chance to go over everything. I know Hurrikane does not always reply to PMs about score changes. As a judge I submit everything I have to him and point out discrepancies and back up my differences in PM. Sometimes I get a reply, sometimes I don't, but in every case that I've been involved in he gets it right in the end. This was a really unusual case as well, the globals showing up long after the mobs were actually killed and looted. A judgement call was made at the time of the first stopping and then was reversed by Hurrikane after he had a chance to review it in detail. I'm sorry that Lokia was frustrated by lack of communication after the event, but Hurrikane does have a lot on his plate to go over everything. It's not laziness, fraud, conspiracy, whitewash or by any means a rigged event and while I understand the frustration of those involved and have tried to offer some support to resolve the matter, it is pretty extreme to make these kinds of accusations.

As a judge I try to do my best and know that the others do too. It is not always easy with globals and local chat and PMs flying by to catch everything at the time of the match, but it has always been sorted out eventually.

The announced scores at the end of the match were only off by 10 points in favor of Australia. The points did not affect the end result and it was corrected before posting results to the client server.
 
This is my log of all local chat from the time that I arrived to join the judges when a halt was called due to lag,til the end of the match. It's a bit long so I'll put it in a scrollable box for space considerations).

Ok, if the match was stopped due to lags: There is no 100% fair way of solving this. Especially if phenomenons like globals after team disband occurs (extreme loot lag).

I Think it's up to the judges to make a decision on this. And I wouldn't blame them on this; if you're breaking a match prematurely there will Always be some globals that possibly would not Count.

Someone could do a simulation of the outcome of if the globals would Count or not, if it would have any impact on the future path in the tournament.

As for doing a proper job: If the first match was stopped because of the type of server outages that happened earlier it's almost impossible. When you type somethign it takes over 5 minutes to "arrive" in chat, and then 5 minutes more for a reply and here it would take more than 30 minutes just to decide if to break a match or not.

I wouldn't blame the judges, I would blame the servers.
 
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It is very obvious that I'm having trouble getting my real point across. This has nothing to do with the score of the match! This has to do with a judge throwing out what Hurrikane stated, and the way it's always been done in the past, to make his own rule to keep counting score.

It is also about a judge being able to say they are doing that in LOCAL chat with no correction from any authority.
If I am judging a match and something strange like this is happening. I really want to be corrected AT THE TIME I MAKE THE WRONG MOVE! Some sort of communication about talking to a first year judge so he doesn't do this in the future would have been acceptable for after the fact solution. Instead I get silence. Hurrikane clearly stated nothing after the stop counts!!!!

Then this is said in Local with nobody except me trying to correct it. (Obviously I wasn't listened to being leader of the opposing team.)

2014-12-14 02:07:21 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] I dont think Aus support should have to do 1 last hour ... they capped just after I sent STOP, but before they received STOP ....


Australia would have really capped if a simple statement of in the past this is how we have always treated the stop had come from any other person than me. I was saying this as my concern at the time. Also as my concern after the fact in pm with Hurrikane. I just want assurance that first year judges get some insight on how things are handled and correction if they say flat out in local that they are going to override what Hurrikane just stated a few minutes before.
 
With regards to Global timestamp: I am not sure there is such a thing, because the timestamps in my chat log are off by a few seconds (and not always by the same number of seconds) from the equivalent messages in Lokias' chat log.

With regards to the 2 support globals that brought Aus support from just under cap, to over cap. Lokia, you are unaware of something critical - I did not make a decision, when I received no reply to:

2014-12-14 02:07:21 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] I dont think Aus support should have to do 1 last hour ... they capped just after I sent STOP, but before they received STOP ....
and
2014-12-14 02:10:57 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] Aus 393 or 401 atm ... support capped just after I sent STOP, but before they received STOP ..

I PM'd Hurri, and was told to count the 2 support globals, at which point i sent:

2014-12-14 02:13:22 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] ok, Aus has 401, and support has capped, so is not needed to complete the match

I sent it in local specifically so that ALL would be aware of what was occuring, and as Serica noted: "Noone objected"

Please note that it is highly unlikely that if these globals had been discounted, thus forcing Aus support to hunt some more, that Aus support would not have gotten the points needed to cap during the remaining hour of the match. In other words, this decision had no impact on the what the final score would have been.

The other Global:

2014-12-14 02:04:17 [Globals] [] Team "WOF AUS MAIN" killed a creature (Hispidus Dominant) with a value of 58 PED!

is the one that might have made a difference in the final scoring, and Serica has already highlighted and commented most of the relevant messages. I include two other chat messages from my own chat log (which was sent to Hurri after the match) and show that the team had disbanded prior to the STOP:

2014-12-14 01:54:24 [Team] [] Your team was disbanded.
2014-12-14 01:54:49 [Local] [Grey Greyhair Sloth] crap ... Aus main team just disbanded


It really shows how bad things were, when a global shows up for a team that had disbanded almost 10 minutes earlier...
 
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I've tried to be supportive of what was obviously a frustrating situation for team Guinea, but you are losing any sympathy I have for the situation. Lokia wasn't ignored during the match.

You misunderstood me. She's been working on this issue since AFTER the match, and has had a hard time getting the attention of anyone involved, including Hurrikane. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

But my other points remain.
 
Eudoria had the same trouble in our match with Wales... Huge lag, sometimes over 15 minutes... No messages getting through or globals received etc. And as far as I know the match stopped at 1h.30m, though many of us didn't get this till nearly the 2h mark after many more globals. The point to this is it was very confusing to all and the judges were doing their best.

My main point here is please don't think for one minute that there is any favouritism, fraud or underhandedness going on in the WoF.

For what it's worth to you and I know you don't know me so why should you trust what I say... I have been a part of every WoF and FoF since the beginning making the odd film in support and as Hurrikane is a friend IRL we sit round the pub table and discuss it. I promise you this... It is run as fairly and with as much integrity as could be possible. Even as friends and soc mates I know that Team Eudoria would never get any favouritism... at all.

If you see anything that may look weird I can guarantee that it is only confusion due to the massive server problems at the time and never because of any conspiracy. I'm sure it can be raised and sorted out before anyone calls fraud on the WoF.

It is run by a very honest guy, if a little grumpy from time to time :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

And the judges do a great job too.
 
Regarding using chat logs for determining the time something occured and/or the order of occurance: I am personally aware of two incidents where a local message that appeared in one avatars log is not in another avatars log, and one incident where a messages were not in the same order in different avatars logs (but you couldn't see anything wrong by the time-stamps). Conclusion: it isn't good enough to say 'chat log order' decides something ... you have to specify whose chat log, and have alternates in case that person has a PC/Network problem.

"None of the globals that followed after Hurrikane called STOP in local chat should count, PERIOD." That makes sense as a policy as long as chat is working correctly, when chat is not working correctly ... I am not so sure. Regardless, there was NO policy for a mid-match stoppage AND chat was not working correctly, so the officials were having to come up with what made the most sense on a case-by-case basis.


Mack stated that when he went back and added the scores, that he only got 98 points (cap - 2), excluding the 2 contentious support globals: My stating that Aus support was not needed was based on including the 2 globals. This brings out an issue for the future: The support teams are relying on the officials to let them know when they have capped and can stop hunting, but scores aren't official until Hurri confirms them, which is after the match is complete - there is a possibility that a real-time scoring error could cause a support squad to stop hunting, miss their cap and lose a match.
 
I can't believe this is still going on, we have a resolution. It didn't change the outcome Guinea is still moving on to round 4, regroup and hit harder next time. It was near impossible to score that match as much as it was impossible to hunt during the server lag. Personally it means nothing to me that Guinea lost since it wasn't an issue of elimination or not, cya in round 4. :beerchug:

I do have to side with Lokia the new judge needs to know when stop is called lag or not since no one else knows the status of a team still out especially support, scores stop counting. Stop means stop! Just because the main team disbanded from the judge doesn't mean it didn't reform and continue hunting for fun, not realizing the event isn't over yet or the last hour would be played latter. Many WoF teams over the years continue hunting under WoF team name after a match if by some luck loot was good.
 
Mack stated that when he went back and added the scores, that he only got 98 points (cap - 2), excluding the 2 contentious support globals: My stating that Aus support was not needed was based on including the 2 globals. This brings out an issue for the future: The support teams are relying on the officials to let them know when they have capped and can stop hunting, but scores aren't official until Hurri confirms them, which is after the match is complete - there is a possibility that a real-time scoring error could cause a support squad to stop hunting, miss their cap and lose a match.

Sloth, This is the problem your scores are unofficial if Aus chose to stop hunting on the judges unofficial score keeping shame on them. That's why Guinea always has someone with the judges to give us a 2nd opinion. I still say they should not be awarded the 2 points to cap due to this fact, it was their failure by not having someone keeping track for them. Lokia also was showing the same thing you were they capped at the time because she also didn't know how or if the judges would record the late globals, and what proof is their that they weren't still out actually hunting. The key word in all of this scores is UNOFFICAL until Hurricane confirms everything. Awarding a team even 2 points over a judge saying your caped that made an honest mistake with how this match played out it was a disaster on MA's part. Aus team captain should have been aware himself/herself what the score was, how close the match was and the potential for judge error especially after returning to start after the 2 hour mark. I know I just said what you already know lol.

Hands down it was a jacked up match we have a resolution for it and I hope something does get added to the rules in case (I mean when this is MA) this happens again.

Note to self: Never listen to a judge that says your caped under any circumstances, all scores unofficial you could lose a match.
 
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