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How one small exploit ruined all Entropia market in 3 years.

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Killahbee said:
bug still here, comfirmed by me
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i so hope that players that have abused this consistently will get permbanned immediately withuit possibility to withdraw/sell out

im not saying players that try it once or even for an day,but players that have done this for months or make alt avas to abuse this for an longer period should be permbanned
 
fluske said:
i so hope that players that have abused this consistently will get permbanned immediately withuit possibility to withdraw/sell out

im not saying players that try it once or even for an day,but players that have done this for months or make alt avas to abuse this for an longer period should be permbanned
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the nthing is, if it is here for 3yrs those ppl already withdrawed enough ped i guess...
 
Ace Flyster said:
Of course MA lose here, where do you think that tt comes from, MA's pocket when they tt it!!!!

Rgds

Ace

EDIT: the players that do this make peds from nothing, it is MA that pays for that
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no it works more like when exploiter gets free claim you get nrf
 
Magnus Mag said:
no it works more like when exploiter gets free claim you get nrf
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Avatar decays 20 ped
MA Payout on 60 ped

Rgds

Ace

EDIT: i am talking about the last 20 ped on an amp, and switching to all resources
 
fluske said:
i so hope that players that have abused this consistently will get permbanned immediately withuit possibility to withdraw/sell out

im not saying players that try it once or even for an day,but players that have done this for months or make alt avas to abuse this for an longer period should be permbanned
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Imagine spending zero MU and have a constant 10% up on all other players........for several years??? Permabann them and make serious statement and proof that I wont give my money to exploiters!
 
Someone should make a video confirming this exploit/bug.
 
Not good, not good at all.:mad:

They should Permaban and freeze accounts of anyone involved if this proves to be true, anything less would be a joke.

Also issue court proceeding against any exploiters for withdrawals over time, this is fraud.
 
Omfg, this explains my 65% TT returns for 2years of mining! GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK GOT DAMNIT!
 
krogfan said:
Imagine spending zero MU and have a constant 10% up on all other players........for several years??? Permabann them and make serious statement and proof that I wont give my money to exploiters!
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Permaban? These guys should be fucking sued IRL and give the money back! :mad:
 
Norbert said:
Not good, not good at all.:mad:

They should Permaban and freeze accounts of anyone involved if this proves to be true, anything less would be a joke.
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They will create new alts until MA fixes this.

Sadly this has hurt everyone trying to mine while cheaters were active.
 
BBpunisher said:
They will create new alts until MA fixes this.

Sadly this has hurt everyone trying to mine while cheaters were active.
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They should also issue court proceedings against those withdrawals, there will be a paper trail back to main ava's.
Over 3 years this is a shedload of $, police should get involved imo.
 
Selosse said:
Omfg, this explains my 65% TT returns for 2years of mining! GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK GOT DAMNIT!
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I highly doubt this affected your tt returns at all. In fact this probably didnt affect ANYTHING for other avatars apart from possible artificial mu's.

It is more likely that only MA have been affected by this

Rgds

Ace
 
Ace Flyster said:
Of course MA lose here, where do you think that tt comes from, MA's pocket when they tt it!!!!

Rgds

Ace

EDIT: the players that do this make peds from nothing, it is MA that pays for that
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Now relax and think again, MA is the bank (casinomanager) they pay their salerys with money they get deposited.....then they make sure that the deposited money (peds) decrease in amount ingame and the only way to top it up is new money. They will allways take their cut, what happens when somebody abusing game mechanics is that everybody else pays for it, as in less peds and need to deposit new ones. MA dont get hurt more then their trust, but........ Trust is all that keeps this game floating so when trust is gone theres nothing left. So if nobody knows then trust is still there and MA is happy, its just a problem like now if it really is an exploit/abuse and people knows about it.

//Linz
 
OMFG.. Seriously.. Damn, i don't think many people knew about this shit. Most knew about the the lvl 13 ul bug but that too , we had no clue about how the hell do u put amp on an armor??

So all this has been told to MA for years and they still have done nothing.. Everyone should make a support case with this thread as link so it gets proper attention from MA.

To the OP : So you knew for 3 years and it took u that much time to tell this here or u just recently got this info? We all know "YOUR AVA" is not playing now.. However something tells me this is known/shared info by some major miners.

MA, burn em down..
 
Ace Flyster said:
I highly doubt this affected your tt returns at all. In fact this probably didnt affect ANYTHING for other avatars apart from possible artificial mu's.

It is more likely that only MA have been affected by this

Rgds

Ace
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do you really think MA is so stupid to give out loot without any pool? so that they can possibly give out 105% or what?
there is a pool...they give like 95% out of money put in..something like this..if one exploiter gets 110% out the other players pay that 15% difference by not getting it payed out in loot..
 
krogfan said:
Now relax and think again, MA is the bank (casinomanager) they pay their salerys with money they get deposited.....then they make sure that the deposited money (peds) decrease in amount ingame and the only way to top it up is new money. They will allways take their cut, what happens when somebody abusing game mechanics is that everybody else pays for it, as in less peds and need to deposit new ones. MA dont get hurt more then their trust, but........ Trust is all that keeps this game floating so when trust is gone theres nothing left. So if nobody knows then trust is still there and MA is happy, its just a problem like now if it really is an exploit/abuse and people knows about it.

//Linz
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Or, far more likely, the loot algorithm pays out around 90%, with maybe 1% towards massive loots.

So, i say again, more likely hasnt affected any avatars tt returns. (of course this depends on what you believe)

Rgds

Ace

EDIT: this doesnt take away the fact that this is deisgraceful, and should be fixed immediately by MA

EDIT2: everything in PE points to random distribution
 
Ace Flyster said:
I highly doubt this affected your tt returns at all. In fact this probably didnt affect ANYTHING for other avatars apart from possible artificial mu's.

It is more likely that only MA have been affected by this

Rgds

Ace
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MA takes its share before your peds become part of the "loot pool". So the only person/person's affected are the players and not MA. As for every drop they made extra was tagged by system as a drop, not an "invalid drop".
 
Divinity said:
MA takes its share before your peds become part of the "loot pool". So the only person/person's affected are the players and not MA. As for every drop they made extra was tagged by system as a drop, not an "invalid drop".
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If it is true that you can drop for three types of ores from one cost of drop, then this is not the case

Rgds

Ace
 
Ace Flyster said:
I highly doubt this affected your tt returns at all. In fact this probably didnt affect ANYTHING for other avatars apart from possible artificial mu's.

It is more likely that only MA have been affected by this

Rgds

Ace
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Wrong. How do you believe this doesn't hurt players return?
 
Ace Flyster said:
If it is true that you can drop for three types of ores from one cost of drop, then this is not the case

Rgds

Ace
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To give further clarity

When it comes to loot pools, its all hypothesis and we all have our own.

When the drops are made, 3 drops are registered against the ava for 20 ped each. Now the decay was 20 peds and since loot pool value would get tt lost , only a part of 20 peds enters the pool instead of 60 peds.

So basically at player end 3 drops of 20 are registered , whereas for the pool function only 20 is registered. This gave a serious advantage to the player ( yes there is no personal loot pool but MA does not say there are no personal modifiers/multipliers).

So to be fair, I do believe it only affects the players and not MA.
 
Ace Flyster said:
I said it could affect markups, but 'probably not' tt returns

Rgds

Ace
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That's ridiculous. A slotmachine never gives out more then it takes in. I'm puzzled how you fail to see that. If some people take out more, other will have to be taking out less.
 
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Divinity said:
To give further clarity

When it comes to loot pools, its all hypothesis and we all have our own.

When the drops are made, 3 drops are registered against the ava for 20 ped each. Now the decay was 20 peds and since loot pool value would get tt lost , only a part of 20 peds enters the pool instead of 60 peds.

So basically at player end 3 drops of 20 are registered , whereas for the pool function only 20 is registered. This gave a serious advantage to the player ( yes there is no personal loot pool but MA does not say there are no personal modifiers/multipliers).

So to be fair, I do believe it only affects the players and not MA.
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Simple test, the basic multiplier for lv 13 you get on average on ores, 40-50ped, do this test with only 20 ped left on lv 13 amp and all 3 resources, and see what you get.

That is what i am interested in. As is being described here you can get hits on all three, so if the ores is 40, enmatter and treasure are both 40 ped each as well, then on average MA are paying out on 60 ped drop when only 20 ped is taken. Therefore MA will be losing money.

Rgds

Ace
 
Zetanian said:
That's ridiculous. A slotmachine never gives out more then it takes in. I'm puzzled how you fail to see that. If some people take out more, other will have to be taking out less.
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Easy, not so long ago, there was a bug and people where getting a tower with every hit after a vu on cnd. The loot algorithm screwed up.

Next argument?

Rgds

Ace
 
Ace Flyster said:
Easy, not so long ago, there was a bug and people where getting a tower with every hit after a vu on cnd. The loot algorithm screwed up.

Next argument?

Rgds

Ace
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Like you said, the loot algorythm screwed up. So it was a bug and unintentional.

Do you honestly think MA wouldn't program the game so they wouldn't have to pay out of their own pocket?
 
Zetanian said:
Like you said, the loot algorythm screwed up. So it was a bug and unintentional.

Do you honestly think MA wouldn't program the game so they wouldn't have to pay out of their own pocket?
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EVERYTHING recorded on loot indicates a random multiplier, and i believe, normal distribution. So yes, in that scenario, through exploits, you can have more out than in.

Rgds

Ace
 
As someone in pm has very aptly pointed out to me, it depends on whether people feed loot pools or not.

I believe we don't feed a loot pool, which i believe is shown in the fact that after VU's and server restarts you can still get big loots. Which also hold to everything i said previously

Rgds

Ace
 
krogfan said:
scary.....IF this is true I dunno how to handle such information....I mean....if the reason why all new avatars having all those big hofs is because its exploiters not daring to use their own account exploiting and Im feeding them????
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Linzey noone fault here.

Mindark security system check s every second if there is no TT exploiting ( it is simple - if tt not more than it should be , than system says it is all ok) , it is ensurance that there is no exploit that makes ped from air.

this exploit is not so important really , because it is just simple way to get advantage from rest 99.9% of players.

by exploiting this way loot system just returns value of ped to you , and reduces return to other player, not to mindark.
 
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