How one small exploit ruined all Entropia market in 3 years.

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Eve got banned?? :scratch2:

We'll never see the data now... thx Mods... you da real MVPs.. :banghead:
 
Well might as well have some fun...

Eve getting banned is part of a MA conspiracy to prevent the community from realizing that millions of peds were exploited from EU using this technique..

Exploit must be true then. it's the only logical explanation for Eve's banishment. Long live all of the unicorns (in tribute to Eve). :wise:
 
Eve got banned?? :scratch2:

We'll never see the data now... thx Mods... you da real MVPs.. :banghead:

OMG. I even started being nice so mods had less to mod, and thread could stay open :(

I REALLY wanted to see some resolution, and Drew's results were going to be a BIG part of that...


FUCK!

Since when is a fucking unicorn illegal!!!!


Fine, I don't know what happened....but please let him post his results :swoon:
 
Well might as well have some fun...

Eve getting banned is part of a MA conspiracy to prevent the community from realizing that millions of peds were exploited from EU using this technique..

Exploit must be true then. it's the only logical explanation for Eve's banishment. Long live all of the unicorns (in tribute to Eve). :wise:

well, a real thing is that i never doubt that was an epxloit even combining 4 types of unfair game.

but maby really am should make a hard rules public for people who still doubt what is exploit.
 
Well, nice to hear that there's a semi-legitimate reason for the decrease in even mediocre loot drops for the last year. Even if it took 3 years to be noticed by the devs ( or if they even investigated) this before your post, that would explain a great deal. However, this is nothing new either (although it is on a much greater scale). Mining I think has always been the most exploitable of all professions because it's the sketchiest of all professions.

And before all u ubers and masters out there start up, allow me to explain.

I started playing 7 years ago and during my many days sweating at the 'old' swamp engage in several discussions about the way the game worked. Back then, about 5K sweat would get you a TT Opallo, and about 1K of ammo to go and hunt with. Roughly 3 weeks work for 15 mins of pleasure....then it was back to the swamps...unless of course u were lucky enough to get a global on some wildly lucky bery or daik kill. And of course, after 3 weeks you'd have heard rumors of some other place or even talked with some familiar players that had been to a fantastical place called Nea's. And so began the sweating in earnest, just to make enough PED for flight there just to see what it was all about (walking slugs the size of a bus that gave 100's of sweat !)

But of course during all this came the simplest and most basic of questions. Why do i have to die so many times (even though I'm not really even there) ? Why can't I fight these mobs even just bare handed ? Why isn't there a rock or tree-limb or bone to pickup to use as a weapon? The logic was faulty from the start....and this translates all through the Entropia Universe.

If we are meant to be settlers from a dying Earth, where is the permanency? Why can't I stake a claim, have my own tiny LA and live there (As opposed to some bs Land-Grab where all the ubers are gauranteed to get the land and anyone with less then 10K skills is cannon fodder)? Why can't I live off the land ? Since we don't need food or drink(?) why do we need water on the world ? To support the hostile life forms ? Why do I need molisk teeth to make a button...maybe I want Daik teeth buttons (one tusk would make about 50 buttons compared to 50 teeth to make one button)... Why is the planet so small (roughly 50 miles in diameter) ? How can such a small planet be so diverse (impossible)?

And then we come to mining... why do I need bombs and a 'finder', did shovels and eyeballs all magically disappear ? If I'm nothing but a simulacrum, why can't I set myself to 'dig' one spot all day and come back and collect the loot ? No interaction required, just dig in one spot for 8, 10, 1000 hrs....??? But wait, I might never find anything ? What there's no guarantee i'll hit anything of value ? Why not ? How was the planet formed ? No geologic record ? No ice ages ? No continental drift ? No volcanic activity ? No asteroid strikes ? All these minerals just magically formed ? And what, they move around too ?? Amazing, a planet with an impossibly varied mineral content (and of course half the periodic table is missing) that is in constant migration although there are no earthquakes, tectonic movement or volcanic activity (and yes there are volcanoes but not active (DUH !)) ?

Now for all those out there who 'accept' the world this way without question..more power to ya..I'm sure the 'Tooth fairy' and the Easter Bunny still visit you every year and Publisher's Clearing House has your address on their Navstar. Entropia or MA has started (after raising these questions 7 years ago) begun to come around and is slowly (glacially) coming around to these problems..I figure by the time they actually make a functioning world we'll actually be able to go there.. For all you programmers and developers out there, if u want to make a world, make it, don't fart around, half-ass it and say it's a world. Why can't mobs be looted for more than what they are looted for? And how the frak does a mob drop a rifle or armor piece ? Were they eaten ? How is it functionable after that ? Because if it ate the person in armor and I got one piece of the armor back how good can the armor be ?

Why can't I harvest more from a Daikiba or Exarsaur than 1 or 2 pieces of hide ? Size wise an Exar would yield enough hide for an outfit while a Daik would maybe yield a shirt worth...and forget about an Ambu, u kill one of those and you could get 5 trenchcoats and still have hide left for boots...Why don't we have a salvage skill ? Or a scavanger skill ? Or a tanner skill ? Or a leatherworker skill ? What about a lumberjack skill ? Why do I need this, that and the other thing to make a simple stool ( four pieces of wood or a chunk of wood and a knife and u can make one) ? And of course why do we need crafting machines (other than to basically have slot machines) ?

All these questions may seem invalid and pointless to most of you but they go to the heart of the problem...EU is a completely flawed system and always has been. Exploits are few and far between but they're there. If you came to make money, you should've cashed out long ago. I gave up even trying to break even long ago. Back in 09 before the graphics reboot I knew of a player that could go to Camp Caravan; go out and hunt for 2-3 hours (Exar, Bery and Daik) bring back his loot to storage; hard boot his computer, log back on and have all his ammo back. And the same worked for mining he said. He told me he'd mined out there for 3 months on the same mines he'd bought back in the spring. Now wether this was true or not I don't know, but that's what I was told.

Are there others ? Probably. Maybe there are a few under-paid devs who are logging on and making accounts and goin on uber hunts and looting mobs like crazy. The thing is EU is trying to run this as a business so their going to need to make money wether you play or not. So, as players old and new leave, the loot pool decreases, and since EU decided to open up Planet partners and have their players go to other worlds, their loot pool has decreased even more. Yes, MA makes money from the planet partners, but not compared to the lost revenue of the ubers jumping from Caly over to Toulon. The game is now broken and failing, overcome by it's own successes and being drug down by it's shortcomings....and if there is any truth to the exploit post, then MA needs to address it immediately.

MA needs to recoup as much of it's losses from those individuals by whatever means, or needs to fold up its tents and go home. Because, if the exploits happened and they missed it, it'll happen again. Which means that the success of those individuals will embolden others to find more. If MA is unable to regain it's losses from the exploiters, the players in-game now will suffer, or else MA will have to eat the losses (which won't stand well with the planet partners and stockholders). All of this came about because MA chose to make a game that was flawed from the beginning. If it wasn't for the illogical system of mining anywhere for any mineral, this wouldn't have gone unnoticed so long. One would've seen immediately that players were hitting the motherlode way too often and that they were doing it way to cheaply (the 3 hits at once and the lack of decay respectively).

Is MA going to fix it ? maybe. Depends on what your definition of 'fix' is. More than likely, MA will continue to allow random mining, increase decay rates on amps and finders, and lower hit rates and also lower the HOF chance, that way the recoup losses, and not make any obvious change. But, the underlying problems are still there. And unless they are addressed, more exploits will be found as MA continually will bring in more equipment to keep the ubers interested. And the more equipment you introduce the more chances for exploitation in some way.
 
well, a real thing is that i never doubt that was an epxloit even combining 4 types of unfair game.

but maby really am should make a hard rules public for people who still doubt what is exploit.

It is not an exploit. Everyone can do it.

Is it an exploit for Terminator to win events? NO because all could buy it and use it. It sucks but its how MA made it, and it is NOT exploit.

Same with this...we presume it works like MA has wanted it to work, and that is that, until they say different. It sucks that we don't know for sure what is going on, and it might even have hurt most of us. But it is NOT exploit.

Until we hear otherwise, at least...

But, yes if people traded them to alt's, then hell yes those people exploited! :swoon:


Until MA speaks, all lines are drawn in sand, none in sandstone. (haha i made that up,....it was a Peezle moment sry)
 
OMG. I even started being nice so mods had less to mod, and thread could stay open :(

I REALLY wanted to see some resolution, and Drew's results were going to be a BIG part of that...


FUCK!

Since when is a fucking unicorn illegal!!!!


Fine, I don't know what happened....but please let him post his results :swoon:

Old Taco is back! :yay:
 
It is not an exploit. Everyone can do it.

This just isn't true. Any exploit of any bug in any game can be done by everyone who knows how, but that doesn't mean you aren't exploiting the coding. And since most people didn't, and probably still don't, know this even existed, then not everyone "can do it".

If I sit down at a progressive-jackpot slot machine in a casino and drop a nickel in and somehow I am able to select every line for the highest bid and hit spin... it's an exploit. Using a system in a means other than intended is an exploit.

Also, why are we arguing about the TT return? Being able to "spin" the slot 3 times for the cost of one gives a better opportunity to hit the "jackpot". I couldn't care less about the TT return on an Amp13, but I DO care if someone is able to have 3x an opportunity for a huge tower at the cost of one.
 
The item is decaying, but the player gets more loot than they should have. If work as it did, the player still should had decay it to zero, making the last drop, but should get less return. The player would not TT the amp at 20 ped when he could make on drop. So in both cases the player should have used up the last 20 ped amp, decaying the finder.

The decay of the amp goes to the "lootpool" and not to MA, so it the other miners that are loosing potential loot (at least that's my theory).
I was going by this info. Could have changed.
https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?121003-How-MindArk-profits-solved
 
If I sit down at a progressive-jackpot slot machine in a casino and drop a nickel in and somehow I am able to select every line for the highest bid and hit spin... it's an exploit. Using a system in a means other than intended is an exploit.

Not if the machine was designed that way and the house still got their take, and made sure everyone got what they deserved.

But yes, I won't agree it is a true exploit yet, but it is damn close, and I see your side of the issue too...you may right.
 
Why was he banned? :scratch2:
 
The point the 'Taco'(?) clearly misses and that others miss as well isn't whether u get 3 20 ped hits or u get 3 6.67 ped hits, it's that a L amp is being decayed to it's min., attached to armor (?), and then being repaired to just above minimum to be reused again.... THIS IS AN EXPLOIT ! A CHEAT ! A HACK ! A GLITCH !

Every MMO i've played clearly states that an exploit is defined as using an item in anyway than was officially intended. And most MMO's also clearly state that the use of an exploit is considered cheating and a bannable offense. And wether these guys made 10 ped or 10K ped reusing L items, makes no difference, the CHEATED. Any and all profits made from a re-constituted L amp are STOLEN. Whether they got 3 20 ped hits or 3 6.67 ped hits..It's FK"N STOLEN, because the AMP was glitched.

That is the main problem here, not the amount of hits they got, not the value of the hits they got, but the fact that they reuse equipment that should been broken and in turn would've forced them to acquire another item for 20+ PED and not 5 PED in repair (and no, the numbers are not correct but for demo purpose only). THAT alone is lost profit for MA/EU/ loot pools whatever....

If this is the way you mine 'Taco' then you should be banned as well, Limited mining amps are Limited for a reason, not so you can find a way to repair them and reuse them 100x past their functionability, whether you pay for the reapir or not, makes no difference, the repair cost is less than the cost would be to acquire a new one. And by repairing and using a glitched item, you have stolen from the basic premise of the limited system and robbed not only MA/EU, but your fellow players.
 
omg really he got banned now? it was all calming somehow down...and the ppl stopped the real insulting...

i have to say i reported a post yesterday relatively short after tacos results where i really felt personally attacked and the "fucker" was not edited to "unicorn" yet...i just felt it was too harsh (and not the first time in this thread)...

it was really hard this whole topic sometimes to not completly rage out for me...
so in that moment i couldn't speak out what i was thinking but pushed that report button...(first time i ever did it to no-spambot)...

so sry if i was partly responsible...


i would have loved to see the results...
 
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The point the 'Taco'(?) clearly misses and that others miss as well isn't whether u get 3 20 ped hits or u get 3 6.67 ped hits, it's that a L amp is being decayed to it's min., attached to armor (?), and then being repaired to just above minimum to be reused again....

... the fact that they reuse equipment that should been broken and in turn would've forced them to acquire another item for 20+ PED and not 5 PED in repair ...

...Limited mining amps are Limited for a reason, not so you can find a way to repair them and reuse them 100x past their functionability, whether you pay for the reapir or not, makes no difference, the repair cost is less than the cost would be to acquire a new one. And by repairing and using a glitched item, you have stolen from the basic premise of the limited system and robbed not only MA/EU, but your fellow players.

I think you need to read the thread again - this is not what is being alleged at all.
 
I think you need to read the thread again - this is not what is being alleged at all.

YOU need to reread the post and not all the comments after .....

some old players knows what I talk about, he found exploit that he could put lvl 13(L) amp to armor part, and repair it , and use again.
 
YOU need to reread the post and not all the comments after .....

some old players knows what I talk about, he found exploit that he could put lvl 13(L) amp to armor part, and repair it , and use again.
Who is doing this?
 
YOU need to reread the post and not all the comments after .....

some old players knows what I talk about, he found exploit that he could put lvl 13(L) amp to armor part, and repair it , and use again.

The OP (fairly) clearly states that the players who used that exploit were banned several years ago.
...3-4 years ago there was a guy from Poland, named by HP company laptop name :)
some old players knows what I talk about, he found exploit that he could put lvl 13(L) amp to armor part, and repair it , and use again....
...Mindark programmers fixed bug, banned exploits, but guess what ? Mindark fixed not everything.

This is the crux of the current alleged 'unfixed exploit', which is the topic of this thread:

...
It is very simple.
User X buys an amp [Level 13 Finder Amplifier (L)] 340 ped tt. decays it to 20 ped tt. since 20 ped tt is needed to drop 1 bomb, if you drop enmaters,ores,and arciology - amp will decay 60 ped.

but guess what, when you leave 20 ped on lvl 13 amp, no matter if you put only 1 ore to search, or all 3 (that should decay 60 ped) , but amp cannot be -40 ped tt form 20tt, that is why amp decays in both ways only to simple 0 ped tt.

but miner gets 3 claims (ores,enmaters, archiology).
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The point the 'Taco'(?) clearly misses and that others miss as well isn't whether u get 3 20 ped hits or u get 3 6.67 ped hits, it's that a L amp is being decayed to it's min., attached to armor (?), and then being repaired to just above minimum to be reused again.... THIS IS AN EXPLOIT ! A CHEAT ! A HACK ! A GLITCH !

Every MMO i've played clearly states that an exploit is defined as using an item in anyway than was officially intended. And most MMO's also clearly state that the use of an exploit is considered cheating and a bannable offense. And wether these guys made 10 ped or 10K ped reusing L items, makes no difference, the CHEATED. Any and all profits made from a re-constituted L amp are STOLEN. Whether they got 3 20 ped hits or 3 6.67 ped hits..It's FK"N STOLEN, because the AMP was glitched.

That is the main problem here, not the amount of hits they got, not the value of the hits they got, but the fact that they reuse equipment that should been broken and in turn would've forced them to acquire another item for 20+ PED and not 5 PED in repair (and no, the numbers are not correct but for demo purpose only). THAT alone is lost profit for MA/EU/ loot pools whatever....

If this is the way you mine 'Taco' then you should be banned as well, Limited mining amps are Limited for a reason, not so you can find a way to repair them and reuse them 100x past their functionability, whether you pay for the reapir or not, makes no difference, the repair cost is less than the cost would be to acquire a new one. And by repairing and using a glitched item, you have stolen from the basic premise of the limited system and robbed not only MA/EU, but your fellow players.


Holy shit Holy shit Holy shit.........I ......omg.....I need to.....WTF........

:swoon:

deep breaths....
I will just let someone else handle this one...
 
Holy shit Holy shit Holy shit.........I ......omg.....I need to.....WTF........

:swoon:

deep breaths....
I will just let someone else handle this one...

I got it my fakin unicorn broski!

Reading Comprehension 1, Grimjack 0.

At no time was this conversation ever about testing whether or not limited amps could be repaired.
 
I got it my fakin unicorn broski!

Reading Comprehension 1, Grimjack 0.

At no time was this conversation ever about testing whether or not limited amps could be repaired.

Just another lazy newcomer who doesn't want to take 3-4 hours to read through the first 74 pages of this thread..

As Eve would say.. just another unicorn.
 
Just another lazy newcomer who doesn't want to take 3-4 hours to read through the first 74 pages of this thread..

As Eve would say.. just another unicorn.

That means they do not exist! :yup:
 
Holy shit Holy shit Holy shit.........I ......omg.....I need to.....WTF........

:swoon:

deep breaths....
I will just let someone else handle this one...

lol

This thread is about players hitting towers whenever they drop probes from within flying vehicles right?
 
hmm, did someone could confim he was banned in game too? it would quiet proof to not other people use who still not believe it is not an exploit.
 
Just quick question IF the glitch really Works like described.

Everyone who are "Testing" this bug, you realise that you could and should be banned for doing it?

Why?
Because you use glitch to gain unfair advantage (no difference if it was for testing or not,, you still gain advantage)

Solution to MA: Fix the bug, and ban everyone who has used it lets say more than 5 times (to be sure not accidental) and to get unbanned the abuser should pay the amount of peds cheated from system.

For example: if you cheater/glitcher/tester cheated MA with 130 amps total, which would be 130*40=5200 ped (if triple dropping). Because if the glitch really worked like it looks like it does, then the glitchers should pay for it. I am not sure what kind of logs MA has, but maybe they have chance to see TT of item before certain action (dropping last bomb) and if setting = 3 or 2 (triple or double bombing) is used , then user should be sanctioned.


So if you plan to start "testing" this bug also, be aware, as if this bug is working you are stealing peds with this testing and should be punished.

I know most of the testers (atleast i hope) want no harm other than to fix this glitch, but you must see that if it Works you really are cheating the system and profited from it (in some cases lost less than you should have).
 
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