Big losses on mining with amps

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Deposited yesterday: 100$ = 1000 PED

1º MINING RUN = 600ped spent (3x level 8 amp + probes) = 68ped returned
2º MINING RUN = 400ped spent (3x level 7 amp + probes) = 28ped returned

TOTAL=96ped returned

Asking to MA in a report case: "Why?"
MA answer:"We cant decide loot system....bla bla bla" (always the same answer with different words)

TOTAL DEPOSITED LAST YEAR = $6000 = 60000 PED
TOTAL INVENTORY ITEMS = 450ped
TOTAL PED CARD = 58ped


TOTAL BALANCE = 59500 PED LOST = 5900$ (we can ask to MA for uses that money to help to a family with serious economic problems not? - i voted +1)

(NOTE: pls put your opinion here or tell us your history)

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today 28th March 2015

today deposited: 30$ = 300PED

Today changing to HUNT

1º RUN = 300 ped ammo - 52% return = 154 PED left
2º RUN = 150 ped ammo - 60% return = 91 PED left
3º RUN = 90 ped ammo - 55% return = 51 ped left

(my opinion in page 5 of that thread)

....WILL BE CONTINUE
 
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I go to tell my history:


Deposited yesterday: 100$ = 1000 PED

1º MINING RUN = 600ped spent (3x level 8 amp + probes) = 68ped returned
2º MINING RUN = 400ped spent (3x level 7 amp + probes) = 28ped returned

TOTAL=96ped returned

Asking to MA in a report case: "Why?"
MA answer:"We cant decide loot system....bla bla bla" (always the same answer with different words)

TOTAL DEPOSITED LAST YEAR = $6000 = 60000 PED
TOTAL INVENTORY ITEMS = 450ped
TOTAL PED CARD = 58ped


TOTAL BALANCE = 59500 PED LOST = 5900$ (we can ask to MA for uses that money to help to a family with serious economic problems not? - i voted +1)

(NOTE: pls put your opinion here or tell us your history)

....WILL BE CONTINUE



I think,,,you dont really know what you are doing. Mining is a rough business, and can be very expensive, and high risk.

Now, if you are saying, "I took a big gamble, and I lost big" I agree with you. Just as if, you went out, and bought 100 USD on Lottery Scratch off tickets. There is a chance, to win back some, all, none, or even more than your money.

Entropia is based on algorithm of all types, I am sure. They probally have MIT, and Harvard grads working on the system similar, to a casino slot machine, and lottery scratch offs, so that they will most always come out on top. ENtropia is also somewhat of a "ponzi scheme" In which Mind ARk pays returns to its investors from new capital paid to the operators by new investors, rather than from profit earned by the operator.

That being said, if you were not aware of this, I am sorry,yes, the game is/can be a huge gamble. But I choose to gamble low, and enjoy the rest of the game have to offer. Exploring, meeting new people, visiting other planets..and doing lower risk activites, such as hunting smaller mobs.
 
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Here are my 2 pecs. It is physically impossible unless you just drop your peds to do as this guy has done. Mining has poor loot a lot of the time, I lost 5k in a week but I am still in the +.

By the way, either OP was mining planetside and got some impossible nrf streaks, or he was in foma/hell and got an impossibly low single loot. Unless he bombs in one spot at twins, this is bs.
 
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Here are my 2 pecs. It is physically impossible unless you just drop your peds to do as this guy has done. Mining has poor loot a lot of the time, I lost 5k in a week but I am still in the +.

By the way, either OP was mining planetside and got some impossible nrf streaks, or he was in foma/hell and got an impossibly low single loot. Unless he bombs in one spot at twins, this is bs.


Sorry i did not put where i was mining. I was mining on FOMA (biodome 8, 9 and 10).

And sorry i did not use my 6 amps and probes in one spot... hehehhe

i think i can have bad luck, bad day for mining or bad % return of my ped but is not the 1º once that pass....ONLY 10% return?
 
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To the OP, find a good mining mentor and ask for help
 
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Deposited yesterday: 100$ = 1000 PED

1º MINING RUN = 600ped spent (3x level 8 amp + probes) = 68ped returned
2º MINING RUN = 400ped spent (3x level 7 amp + probes) = 28ped returned

TOTAL=96ped returned

At best, you really really really don′t know what you′re doin′... :dunno:

However, check this first: Do you have at all the prospector and surveyor skill levels your gear requires (finder, amps)?
 
At best, you really really really don′t know what you′re doin′... :dunno:

However, check this first: Do you have at all the prospector and surveyor skill levels your gear requires (finder, amps)?

yep sure im 21 prospector and 18 surveyor...forgot it: my finder tk-220 + 3 depth enhacers (I, II and III)
 
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yep sure im 21 prospector and 18 surveyor

:eyecrazy: :eyecrazy: :eyecrazy:

Then, how did you come so far, with those uber fugly returns...? Chipped in...?


EDIT: nvm...

EL says: Favorite Mineral: Caldorite Stone / Highest Loot: 839 PED / Total Loot: 8 603 PED / Mining Rank: 395 of 1 511

Iron Stone 78 PED Tue, 24 Mar 2015 22:10:34
Iron Stone 69 PED Tue, 24 Mar 2015 12:54:52
Crude Oil 59 PED Tue, 24 Mar 2015 12:54:34
Ganganite Stone 69 PED Mon, 23 Mar 2015 12:57:25
Growth Molecules 61 PED Mon, 23 Mar 2015 12:48:00
Ares Head 59 PED Mon, 23 Mar 2015 12:31:43
Dianum Ore 68 PED Mon, 23 Mar 2015 12:25:39
 
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i think Loot System is not equal for all players and the algoritm or algoritms that are used for Loot system are wrong and not give to all players the same chances for get nice % ped return.

i think Loots system algoritms should be or work in "mode neutral", but it is not so. That algoritm or algoritms made diferences between Depositers and Not Depositers, and that is the "mistake" of MA. I have said "mistake" because it is from MA get your Company´s benefits. (im a programmer)

when write im using amps for mining, i think im using the right amps for my level, but like say the ppl: "mining is a lottery"...

sorry my english, surely im kicking dictionary
 
Do not play to the size of your avatar but to the size of your ped card. mining in foma with amps and a small ped card. Expect to lose.

Sorry I just do not have sympathy for people amping and going to hell/foma/AUD and then winging about the returns.

gl hf
 
:eyecrazy: :eyecrazy: :eyecrazy:

Then, how did you come so far, with those uber fugly returns...? Chipped in...?

uber fugly??? hehehehe i was finding the correct´s words for rename that situation...simply i think have bad luck with that game

i dont understand that ("Chipped in"). whats the meaning of that?. If i have bought skills and chip me?
 
I'm getting fugly returns this week too. These days that pretty much means i get fed up after 50% returns for an hour or so, log out, and don't log in again for awhile. There are too many other things to do in life to waste time with self-flagellation in this game. However, even though opinion is divided on what to do when that's happening, i think it's safe to say it would be best to not go all in under those circumstances so maybe you should take a step back and down and lay off the big amps and indoor mining for a while.

Entropia is based on algorithm of all types, I am sure. They probally have MIT, and Harvard grads working on the system similar, to a casino slot machine, and lottery scratch offs, so that they will most always come out on top.

Lol... pretty sure they don't, but yes the house wins or EU goes kaput.
 
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Strash is right.. you need some serious help.. and like most have said, you're doing things wrong..

There is a huge learning curve in EU.. 10 minutes of google research would have informed you a $6000 deposit and running with big guns/amps and just doing things beyond your level and bankroll is bad news.. I spent months researching this game before playing, and still wasted hundreds of $...

There is a right way and a wrong way to do things..

Coming onto forums and complaining about your sub-50% TT returns on a handful of big amps alone shows you have no idea what you're doing.

Seriously take all of this criticism constructively, from all of the players who post.. no one likes to see someone lose, and lose big, in EU... We would all be profit players if we could have it our way.. But use the resources available to you, courtesy of thousands of hours of research, to be a more calculated and practical player of EU.

If you do want to take some advice/help seriously without getting butthurt about it then pm me.. hell or anyone for that matter.

If none of the above is true.. then alt account and +rep to magyar.

:eyecrazy: :eyecrazy: :eyecrazy:

Then, how did you come so far, with those uber fugly returns...? Chipped in...?


EDIT: nvm...

EL says: Favorite Mineral: Caldorite Stone / Highest Loot: 839 PED / Total Loot: 8 603 PED / Mining Rank: 395 of 1 511

Iron Stone 78 PED Tue, 24 Mar 2015 22:10:34
Iron Stone 69 PED Tue, 24 Mar 2015 12:54:52
Crude Oil 59 PED Tue, 24 Mar 2015 12:54:34
Ganganite Stone 69 PED Mon, 23 Mar 2015 12:57:25
Growth Molecules 61 PED Mon, 23 Mar 2015 12:48:00
Ares Head 59 PED Mon, 23 Mar 2015 12:31:43
Dianum Ore 68 PED Mon, 23 Mar 2015 12:25:39

^^^^ More proof..

If you think you can expect a good return mining on foma with SIX big amps then you're doomed and should just log off for good..

Not to even mention the inability of breaking amp markup mining like that.
 
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entropia about cycle / skills

In both case you failed

1 - Not enough to cycle in FOMA/HELL/UG indoor system ( 1 run? 2 run? you need at last(Cost per drop * 1000))

Minimun * 1000
Average * 3000-4000
Conclude results * 8000-10000
(its not random number i sure to you)
2 - Lack Skills to make this kind gamble (think about D&D rpgs)
Everytime you drop you roll dice , better skills guaranted low rolls you hit something
 
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Seems you really don't know what you are doing in game and that you should have stopped or at least slowed down in the first month of mining since your looses were so high. Seems you are most likely, if this is true, just dropping the probes anywhere in hopes to get that one ATH. Of course this isn't been working for you and now that you have spent all your RL money you cry back to us saying that the system is broken.

I'm sorry to hear of your loose...please stop playing and go get some help.
 
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Jonpi is saying the trooth about his gaming.I know him from society and propably has the same results at hunting too lol.The problem here is that the same people attack him as they attack the poster with the mining amps scam.Dont worry boys nobody wants to hurt the game...Some of us here like Jonpi liked it very much.But,since you all know about trolls and alts and game ignorants and gamplers that don't know to play please answer this:hunting for 3 days lvl 3-4 combibos got around twenty 10 ped globals and tracker placed me at rank 600 from 4000 hunters.If hunters who profit are about 100,investors-CLD owners-LA owners who hunt to keep HoF list alive about 200 ,from who you expect to pay?(maybe our alts ,the trolls,and game ignorants because at ratio 1:1 in summer time you wise investors will have party for puny globals...)
 
I go to tell my history:


Deposited yesterday: 100$ = 1000 PED

1º MINING RUN = 600ped spent (3x level 8 amp + probes) = 68ped returned
2º MINING RUN = 400ped spent (3x level 7 amp + probes) = 28ped returned

TOTAL=96ped returned

Asking to MA in a report case: "Why?"
MA answer:"We cant decide loot system....bla bla bla" (always the same answer with different words)

TOTAL DEPOSITED LAST YEAR = $6000 = 60000 PED
TOTAL INVENTORY ITEMS = 450ped
TOTAL PED CARD = 58ped


TOTAL BALANCE = 59500 PED LOST = 5900$ (we can ask to MA for uses that money to help to a family with serious economic problems not? - i voted +1)

(NOTE: pls put your opinion here or tell us your history)

....WILL BE CONTINUE

on the topic, you pretty much mined as many ppl craft (very few clicks and on condition (FOMA)

Really nothing else you should expect from your runs, it is like doing 60 clicks of lvl2 (L) amp (L) on condition.. there is big chance that you get 0 successes, and second run was like 40 clicks... I have had 180 click run without single success (on level 2 cond crafting) so nothing special..

Dont gamble if you cant afford to gamble, 100 usd is enough to do nonamped mining on foma, but adding amps you would need atleast 1000 usd runs.
 
Whether you dep $6000, $600, $60 - whatever it is, the odds of profiting or loosing or breaking even are the same. However it goes without saying that you cannot really profit, as in net profit (gross profit doesn't count), by simply 'playing the EU game', because if you could; if we ALL could, then MA would not make a profit and so EU wouldn't even exist. Of course the house always wins... That aside, lets assume that just half of $6000 was deposited in each of the three previous years. That's a total of $15000! I just don't get it and so have to agree with M.Republic to a great extent. If I wanted to invest $15000 into EU, I wouldn't do so by depositing and then simply playing the game; playing against the system.
 
When I'm mining unamped at FOMA/UG/Hell I'll do 500ped runs (333 double drops) multiple runs per day and things usualy even out pretty well over a couple of days even though I get periods where I may go for 100+ double drops without a hit.

You've done two runs of 117 drops of just ore (correct me if u were double dropping). As people have stated, this is a pure gamble. To be dropping those kinds of amps you'd need at least 100 amps to do a sensible sized session.
 
I go to tell my history:


Deposited yesterday: 100$ = 1000 PED

1º MINING RUN = 600ped spent (3x level 8 amp + probes) = 68ped returned
2º MINING RUN = 400ped spent (3x level 7 amp + probes) = 28ped returned

TOTAL=96ped returned

Asking to MA in a report case: "Why?"
MA answer:"We cant decide loot system....bla bla bla" (always the same answer with different words)

TOTAL DEPOSITED LAST YEAR = $6000 = 60000 PED
TOTAL INVENTORY ITEMS = 450ped
TOTAL PED CARD = 58ped


TOTAL BALANCE = 59500 PED LOST = 5900$ (we can ask to MA for uses that money to help to a family with serious economic problems not? - i voted +1)

(NOTE: pls put your opinion here or tell us your history)

....WILL BE CONTINUE

entropia is not a scam, you are just <removed> uninformed and unprepared for what you doing. You lack tools and knowledge to do something. If you take like fun, is like fun, if you take it seriously, working many hours a day...is imposible to not make money in any field ingame. Is exactly like IRL.
 
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I see lot of people saying to OP : "stop, you don't do it in the right way"

<removed> i do not see real informations about what OP did bad and how he should do.

That's a pity
 
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I see lot of people saying to OP : "stop, you don't do it in the right way"

<removed> i do not see real informations about what OP did bad and how he should do.

That's a pity
Read what Slither says just two posts above yours..?

Several others mentioned the low amount of drops as well.
 
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I go to tell my history:


Deposited yesterday: 100$ = 1000 PED

1º MINING RUN = 600ped spent (3x level 8 amp + probes) = 68ped returned
2º MINING RUN = 400ped spent (3x level 7 amp + probes) = 28ped returned

TOTAL=96ped returned

Asking to MA in a report case: "Why?"
MA answer:"We cant decide loot system....bla bla bla" (always the same answer with different words)

TOTAL DEPOSITED LAST YEAR = $6000 = 60000 PED
TOTAL INVENTORY ITEMS = 450ped
TOTAL PED CARD = 58ped


TOTAL BALANCE = 59500 PED LOST = 5900$ (we can ask to MA for uses that money to help to a family with serious economic problems not? - i voted +1)

(NOTE: pls put your opinion here or tell us your history)

....WILL BE CONTINUE

Ok lets say you lost 1k ped each week the last year you played.

That is like 140 ped each day.

140 ped lost each day is not hard when you just yesterday paid markup (to other players) for 3x LVL 8 amps and 3x LVL 7 amps.

MA also wants their share of your return (5-10% to MA/PP) so if you do a 1000 ped a day run they will on average take 50-100 ped a day. If you go out again with the 900 ped you have left after first run, you might come back with just 810 ped and so on.

So unless you know where to find markup ores and enmatters, or hunt mobs that give your some MU in their loot you will continue to lose like this.

My advice is mine without amp until you find your favorite spots that gives you nice markup. Contact amp-crafters directly to buy amps at lower MU (wihtout them paying auction fee, they will gladly do that. If you buy more than a single amp u can get bigger discounts as well)

For those 50k you spent last year you could have bought a nice UL gun, or even an UL lvl 2/3 amp that would have saved you alot of markup spent.

Good luck out there.

-Fredda
 
My advice: Don't go to foma!!!!!
 
LOL gambler lost his ass off, your own fault.
Sorry can´t feel for you.

Deposited less than 6k$ in my whole EU career, thats some years already.

My account got a pure TT value over 20k PED

You are doing something seriously wrong!

What you are doing is not playing the game, its simple gambling with extremly high risk, above what you are willing or can afford to lose.

Last part is why you start a whinning thread about your loss.

Someone, who only risk what he can afford to lose and willing to lose if run is bad, never will start a whinning thread about his losses!

Wrong attitute to the game, wrong playstyle, wrong exception about game mechanics and no clue what EU is!

All your own fault, do your homework, learn about EU its mechanics its chances and its risk.
Without homework done you can´t survive, gamblers always lose, on the long run!
 
It's a difficult concept. It certainly took me years to get over it. If you hit big, there is no damage limitation in Entropia. And it is exactly for that reason that there is the very very rare chance to hit something astronomical.

Without the great deal of variance in return, those kinds of all time highs would just not be possible.

Using amps, you're just trying to force the hand of the system to pay you big, but the system, like a beautiful woman, doesn't like to be forced to do anything. You have to just play by her rules and hope she is kind one day.

Personally, I'd like to see safeguards in the system that prevent greater than 50% of stake loss for any given activity, but this would calm the über HoFs down.

It must be said though, on low number runs like the ones you have stated, you will never have enough clicks/chances to see your true potential. Unless you can stump up to do a run of at least 10 amps, I doubt you would ever see acceptable levels of loss. So in essence, don't use amps unless you're prepared to lose the full value.

I hope you can move on from this experience and enjoy the experience properly from now on.
 
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