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Petition to remove Explosive BPs (or change them)

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Ha so now you are telling me what to do in game?:)
90% of my globals came from crafted lvl5-d-class-lvl13 amps on L30 B35 finder and its me who kills MU on ores?:)
If you look at crafting list you will see i did my fair share with gambling on amps too:)

Thats just incredible,you defend explosive BP and not letting miners sell their stuff do condition crafters, and ask them to stop decay on crafted amps/finders/using enhancers what you guys sell:scratch2:

I dont know what kind of logic is that, i was thinking more cycling in economy then better but i might be wrong:laugh:
 
Lukasz said:
Ha so now you are telling me what to do in game?:)
90% of my globals came from crafted lvl5-d-class-lvl13 amps on L30 B35 finder and its me who kills MU on ores?:)
If you look at crafting list you will see i did my fair share with gambling on amps too:)

Thats just incredible,you defend explosive BP and not letting miners sell their stuff do condition crafters, and ask them to stop decay on crafted amps/finders/using enhancers what you guys sell:scratch2:

I dont know what kind of logic is that, i was thinking more cycling in economy then better but i might be wrong:laugh:
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I lowered the prices in my Shop, it is also thanks to you and your lowering MU on ores. I am grateful to those who produce residue for 101%. But if you do not like low demand for ores, why you ask remove EP BP, what made comfortable lives of others? Because gone are those who bought ores from you for their gambling, and interfered with crafters?
 
and if , those BP are just test.
maybe MA want crafter to be more skilled for serie of BP,
or maybe MA want to make all amo and bomb crafted and need to know what amount crafter can create.
or maybe MA simply want to know what part of economie are crafter before they do some big change...


if MA want to stop that bp , they can simply remove cube from TT and put it in loot pool...

the real thing is , why MA did a bp that use stuff from TT , what is their point.

i do not think MA did this just like that , like if they had no clue that it will change market quite a lot.
 
Etopia said:
and if , those BP are just test.
maybe MA want crafter to be more skilled for serie of BP,
or maybe MA want to make all amo and bomb crafted and need to know what amount crafter can create.
or maybe MA simply want to know what part of economie are crafter before they do some big change...


if MA want to stop that bp , they can simply remove cube from TT and put it in loot pool...

the real thing is , why MA did a bp that use stuff from TT , what is their point.

i do not think MA did this just like that , like if they had no clue that it will change market quite a lot.
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I have been wondering why MA introduced it, and i keep coming back to the same point, they wanted more money. What better way than having a gambling bp that uses stuff from the tt!

Rgds

Ace
 
Ace Flyster said:
I have been wondering why MA introduced it, and i keep coming back to the same point, they wanted more money. What better way than having a gambling bp that uses stuff from the tt!

Rgds

Ace
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i dont hink , there wasnt any material shortage...

and crafting strait from TT does not create decay....

maybe its to fill up loot pool for some time.
 
Gewitter said:
I lowered the prices in my Shop, it is also thanks to you and your lowering MU on ores. I am grateful to those who produce residue for 101%. But if you do not like low demand for ores, why you ask remove EP BP, what made comfortable lives of others? Because gone are those who bought ores from you for their gambling, and interfered with crafters?
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Why do you think i lowered MU on ores?:)
Maybe i still have them?maybe i tt them?maybe used them?do you know?
I just wait for you to answer why you want MA to profit more than miners who buys your stuff?:)
 
In other words:
Instead of creating demand for supply for you its better to cut demand and ask for less decay/less mu paid on equipment?:)
 
Etopia said:
i dont hink , there wasnt any material shortage...

and crafting strait from TT does not create decay....

maybe its to fill up loot pool for some time.
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Decay is tt lost from click, so tt on crafting click (ores used, tt stuff used, anything used), tt lost on shooting gun, (tt of gun, tt of ammo, tt of any amps), tt of mining click (bombs + tt of finder used + amps used)

So more tt consumed = more money for MA

Rgds

Ace

EDIT: the only one i am still undecided about, is extractor cost, as this is cost occured AFTER finding the ores.
 
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Lukasz said:
Why do you think i lowered MU on ores?:)
I just wait for you to answer why you want MA to profit more than miners who buys your stuff?:)
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Because you create offer more than there is demand.
And I do not want more profits MA. MA knows this: if the miners will reduce turnover, the MA will suffer simply by reducing this turnover and less income in % of decreasing mining turnover.
My tools will always be in demand.

Edit: We need to get greater demand from the bigger quantity of active players, but not on the big turnovers of one player. That's all. In order to support my shops and sales, I do not need a lot of ores, I need a lot of metal residue. I get it from the gamblers.
 
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You are partially right, look why intentionally cut demand for mining resources?you say i mine to much, at this moment you might be right, would it still be the same if explosive bp would not be implement?i doubt it.
What would happen?i would sell my resources with higher mu and faster buy from your friends L amps,from you next batch of L finders, from store next to yours some enhancers.I would get paid, your friends would, you would, and condition crafters would be happy to hof big(anyway last 3 ubers were "from our economy blueprints" not from explo)Ma would be happy to because of huge decay from all of us.Is anything wrong with that?:scratch2:

yours items are in demand for now until MA would think: wait a second we can cut crafters too, we can put unl L30 to trade terminal,now it decays at 5pec and mu 175% hmmmm lets make it decay 7 pec it's still cheaper than buying from crafters and we can get more money:)they can like this with every of your items:) like they did with all ores.Then i will tell look you can still profit from crafting sheet metal and selling it in tiny package with better%:)
How does it sound?

I really dont want that to happen, i want you to profit and i wil say again im super surprised that you dont want me and all other miners to profit,THEY BUY YOUR STUFF!:)
 
Your example does not explain anything. I just find another niche, as I have done many times. I know how to adapt.
Also think about this: I would prefer to 100 players, which buy cheap items from me with actually MU +1 PED, instead 10 - buying high TT amplifiers with actually MU+3 PED. (this is not a real values, only for example).
More active players (not bigger turnover of one or several) - more stability.

EP help me to reduce the price for everyone. And it is - good!
 
Gewitter said:
Your example does not explain anything. I just find another niche, as I have done many times. I know how to adapt.
Also think about this: I would prefer to 100 players, which buy cheap items from me with actually MU +1 PED, instead 10 - buying high TT amplifiers with actually MU+3 PED. (this is not a real values, only for example).
More active players (not bigger turnover of one or several) - more stability.

EP help me to reduce the price for everyone. And it is - good!
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Still you dont see that by introduction of this BP Ma did one step further to cut more are more of those niche...and you are happy about it.... there is much less peds left for players because of this bp and thats good for you, good luck with finding those 100players if MA will continue go in this direction.
Im out.peace.
 
I think that this kind of gambling BP is very good for game and had to be here long ago. However, it got side effect - a lot less people craft usual BPs and use mining/hunting loot. Because of that mined materials and looted stuff like oils, hides and so crashed in price. Now everything are close to tt price. In some cases it are good, in some are bad. So... I do not think that need to remove explosive BPs, but i think something else should be done to make crafters like crafting old (new) BPs that use mined/hunted materials.
 
Gewitter said:
Your example does not explain anything. I just find another niche, as I have done many times. I know how to adapt.
Also think about this: I would prefer to 100 players, which buy cheap items from me with actually MU +1 PED, instead 10 - buying high TT amplifiers with actually MU+3 PED. (this is not a real values, only for example).
More active players (not bigger turnover of one or several) - more stability.

EP help me to reduce the price for everyone. And it is - good!
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Yep plenty niche out their. look at the person steadily selling the crafted coats from toulan. The 7.5 ped ones which messed up the prices on master coat etc. Im sure both hunting and miners over their would find plenty of mu if these things are selling at tt+80ped. But anyways as i said complete removeal of these blueprints is a bad idea. lvl 1 and 2 are fine and lvl 3 maybe not sure on this one if its a 2ped click, if not this should be a 1 ped click that should be fine. lvl 4 removed.

p.s not directed at you gewitter just in general :)
 
Lukasz said:
there is much less peds left for players because of this bp
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can you explain me how this BP remove ped from player ?

Cerberis said:
However, it got side effect - a lot less people craft usual BPs and use mining/hunting loot. Because of that mined materials and looted stuff like oils, hides and so crashed in price. Now everything are close to tt price.
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are you saying that before this BP crafter alone was making economie running.and now , the whole economie is crashed because of that bp ?
 
Lukasz said:
Still you dont see that by introduction of this BP Ma did one step further to cut more are more of those niche...and you are happy about it.... there is much less peds left for players because of this bp and thats good for you, good luck with finding those 100players if MA will continue go in this direction.
Im out.peace.
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Once again, I want to explain my position - I'm looking for the good side in all the changes. I do not like bugs (I hate bugs!), but I'm willing to adapt to all changes. That's why I think the writing petitions inappropriate. And everyone can find pros and possible reasons for to adapt, and not for whine. I wish you luck with your petition, but know that it not lead to any positive results for those who signed it. I'm also go out from discussion :)
 
Etopia said:
are you saying that before this BP crafter alone was making economie running.and now , the whole economie is crashed because of that bp ?
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If impact of this BP is that all MUs crash (what miners claim is the case), then yes all economy in EU was driven by crafting gamblers.
 
Etopia said:
can you explain me how this BP remove ped from player ?



are you saying that before this BP crafter alone was making economie running.and now , the whole economie is crashed because of that bp ?
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1.Condicion crafters use 80% less loot in crafting so mu dropped around 10%-20% so less money to players...

2.Economy was rly bad even before this Bp, adding it to the game it even worse-just look at graph on any ore and look at MU and demand they are all all time lowest-sigh of bad economy.


We all used to pay big markup on equipment if we wanted to play for huge hofs.
It really doesnt matter if its crafting/mining/hunting the way it is now put all economy in stagnation.
Once there was a guy who found a way to repair lvl13 amp and got banned after some time, now we have that all legal from MA.
This game should be just between players all profession should be connected as much as possible, the way it is right now separate huge part of the game- condition crafter from regular players.

Off: changing this BP would be first step in good direction,all crafting has to be improved,also there are other ways to utilize loot,sky is the limit.
 
Gewitter said:
Once again, I want to explain my position - I'm looking for the good side in all the changes. I do not like bugs (I hate bugs!), but I'm willing to adapt to all changes. That's why I think the writing petitions inappropriate. And everyone can find pros and possible reasons for to adapt, and not for whine. I wish you luck with your petition, but know that it not lead to any positive results for those who signed it. I'm also go out from discussion :)
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Its not my petition, i hope they will "improve" this BP and make much more other changes especially in crafting,but most will give this game back to players so miners/hunter wont need to compete with MA with selling resources for condition crafters.You will stay quiet this time and adapt and next time you will see more and more end game items from TT and instead RCE MMO will have single player casino.
 
GoNi said:
If impact of this BP is that all MUs crash (what miners claim is the case), then yes all economy in EU was driven by crafting gamblers.
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Unfortunately this time you are right.Thats why changing this BP would be just firs step in good direction, there is much more things to improve.
 
GoNi said:
If impact of this BP is that all MUs crash (what miners claim is the case), then yes all economy in EU was driven by crafting gamblers.
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No, miners are not claiming ALL mu's have crashed, they (and me) are saying Ores MUs have crashed because of cheap mining amps, because of a crash in metal residue because of xpl bps.

Hunting loot, harder to tell.

But it is hardly just a 'claim' anymore.....it is pretty darn obvious this is the case, for good or bad.

Rgds

Ace
 
Well from what little i could gather, if MA's plan was to make more cash in crafting, it seems to be working.

(Pinch of salt with these numbers)

Date
13/05/201427/05/201403/06/201410/06/201417/06/201424/06/201411/09/201413/10/201428/10/201430/03/2015
Hunting
Total Value1619434149719917610891548031149138915809401977750182601819009811931210
Globals13565124751433112629123091284415913146641712417251
Mining
Total Valu471698491016543692542442542994481280623641459921533379840364
Globals3287321835763636372239605073344539845424
Crafting
Total Value87780381636576698179558097198973381010471258172137734512232944
Globals54374998504248505217453265355327505910629
 
Keep the BP I would say;

If you're able to hunt without paying MU ( TT gun + ammo)
If you're able to mine without MU (TT finder + probes)

Why shouldn't there be a possibility to craft without MU? :confused:
 
DRDoom said:
Keep the BP I would say;

If you're able to hunt without paying MU ( TT gun + ammo)
If you're able to mine without MU (TT finder + probes)

Why shouldn't there be a possibility to craft without MU? :confused:
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You can mine 20ped per drop without mu?
You can hunt anything close to that without mu?No L fap armor gun amp enhancers?
 
Lukasz said:
You can mine 20ped per drop without mu?
You can hunt anything close to that without mu?No L fap armor gun amp enhancers?
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You as a miner and hunter can use the EP Bps aswell.

And still; you have mu in loot. The mu compensates any medium level amps mu.
 
Please add me to the petition:

Teeghan Tee Mitexi
 
If they would put lvl 10+ amps in trade terminal i would complain too and hope they remove it.
Im not a hunter im miner and beginner crafter,i craft lvl 3 and 5 with residue and both use and sell them.


My last post in this thread, enough for me:)those who dont like explo Bp please add yourself to this list.
 
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Lukasz said:
You can mine 20ped per drop without mu?
You can hunt anything close to that without mu?No L fap armor gun amp enhancers?
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basically you can hunt puny creatures without spending MU > You cannot hunt Daspletor creatures without decent gear.
You can mine low lvl stuff without spending MU > You cannot mine for Ruga with a MU finder.

So now you can craft ammo without MU > you cannot craft lvl13 amps without MU

I don't see the issue here.
 
DRDoom said:
basically you can hunt puny creatures without spending MU > You cannot hunt Daspletor creatures without decent gear.
You can mine low lvl stuff without spending MU > You cannot mine for Ruga with a MU finder.

So now you can craft ammo without MU > you cannot craft lvl13 amps without MU

I don't see the issue here.
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I think all, including myself sometimes get angry but we forgot the real reason......its nice that gambler can go without MU......Im certain this brings a good income to the game itself but if the profession of crafting would work as intended this wouldnt be an issue.

As it is now its too small amounts pf things needed for crafting, maybe more great BPs must be brought to game as a compliment, the problem seems to be that crafting is broken not that people gamble without MU I guess.
 
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