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    How To Survive!

    I'm doing a little experiment at the moment, seeing how long I can play for with a small investment to start off with (How To Survive - without making further deposits!). I purchased the best Starter Package (GOLD) to get all the economical gear I don't already own, I bought an additional Omegaton A101 Amp. My hunting setup can be found below consisting of a main gun 2 Chon & M2100+Amps & finisher HK110.

    Here is a table of all the best weapon setups for a beginner!

    Weapon Name Amplifier Decay Ammo Cost DPP Range Hits DPS
    Omegaton M2100A1 (L) ZX Sinkadus 0.452 118 1.632 2.981 26.4 70 5.68
    Bukin's Spare Rifle Omegaton A101 0.789 131 2.099 2.980 57.2 44 4.59
    S.I. HK110 ZX Sinkadus 0.772 63 1.402 2.974 44.0 67 4.66
    Ozpyn Chon S1X1 Omegaton A101 0.873 123 2.103 2.974 24.2 67 6.98
    Bukin's Spare Rifle Adjusted Omegaton A101 0.789 155 2.339 2.971 66.0 44 5.10
    Ancient Red Scorpion
    Omegaton A101

    1.878

    140

    3.278

    2.968

    60.5

    67

    10.87
    Sollomate Onyxo (L) Omegaton A101 0.682 166 2.342 2.968 39.6 44 5.10
    S.I. Scorpion ZX Sinkadus 0.576 83 1.406 2.966 30.8 83 5.77
    Z12 Barbarella Omegaton A101 0.772 205 2.822 2.955 60.5 48 6.67

    Personally, I do not recommend anyone buying the Ancient Red Scorpion weapon as there are better alternatives for less ped expenditure/investment, if you look at the Onyxo + A101 the DPP is the same as ARS, all you need now is a hunting partner (same set-up) you're already quids in, minus the range.

    Additionally I would not use the S.I. Scorpion + ZK Sinkadus and neither Z12 Barbarella + A101 weapon set-ups, they are good but there are other better alternative options available with better ECO and DPS.

    You are only then left with the top 4 options for eco hunting! I use them all in my gear repertoire in the following combinations; 2 Chons + 2 A101's, M2100A1 (L) + ZX Sinkadus, Bukin's Spare Rifle + A101 for tagging/ pre-damage mobs and S.I. HK110 as finisher.

    So far they have yet to fail me in terms of loot returned through higher dpp and risk management, thus far I have only had 2-3 negative hunts long term since cycling over 19,000 ped with them long term.

    I find that hunting in armour is also far more efficient and more economical than healing in between kills especially when even the eco of the Heart Fap falls in comparison to, Musca Adj against Berycled!



    Musca Adj takes 16.14 damage per pec versus Heart's 15.56 heal per pec. So do not let anyone tell you that using armour is not economical while hunting, the only reason why it may not be so is due to the lack of Defence Skills and getting hit with armour will increase your skills overtime.

    It is a sacrifice, however having said all the above I would like for people to know that to not get hit at all is even better for your returns long term or somehow reducing the def costs also helps greatly.

    With the purchases made above, you should have at least 300-350 ped remaining, this amount of peds should suffice long enough for you to be able to survive until, A) your next deposit, B) survive, C) profit!

    However, I do recommend an additional $60 investment after your first initial $40 commitment, this should really last you a long time if used correctly and the bankroll at low levels should be more than enough for your Entropia hunting needs and adventures or any business ventures.

    Now ideally for a new player a ped balance between (500-1000 ped bankroll) should make it easier for you to survive and hunt mobs with the above recommended weapon set-ups will allow you to hunt up to.

    Even Team Hunting can also make your peds last longer, though hunting larger mobs can also carry more risk due to volatile loot cycles which may require more ped to ride out, so make the right decision for you and don't let others to dictate your actions i.e. hunting atrox in a large team of newbies. It can pay off, but it can also mean substantial losses as well for all involved and requires a risk assessment.

    A table of alternative low level weapons!

    Weapon Name Amplifier Decay Ammo Cost DPP Range Hits DPS
    Salafa G1 (L) ZX Sinkadus 0.452 93 1.382 3.017 00.0 55 3.82
    A.R.C. Scorpion AP1 (L) ZX Sinkadus 0.992 40 1.392 2.996 26.4 75 5.21
    Piron PLR-0 (L) ZX Sinkadus 0.570 83 1.400 2.979 00.0 61 4.24
    EWE EP-2 Proton (L) ZX Sinkadus 0.442 96 1.402 2.974 35.2 74 5.14
    Isis LLP 1 (L) ZX Sinkadus 0.528 87 1.398 2.974 00.0 67 4.59
    Ozpyn LXP-P1 (L) ZX Sinkadus 0.528 87 1.398 2.974 00.0 67 4.59
    Scott & Barlow LP-0 (L) ZX Sinkadus 0.528 87 1.398 2.974 00.0 67 4.59
    Worm Blaster MK I (L) ZX Sinkadus 0.528 87 1.398 2.974 00.0 67 4.59

    I do not recommend skilling with melee, but if you did desire to then I would recommend using the Cyrene melee weapons as they all max out at under level 3 then move to the TT weapons afterwards and attaching where possible the Melee trauma Amplifier I.

    A table of low entry economical melee weapons!

    Weapon Name Amplifier Decay Ammo Cost DPP Range Hits DPS
    S.I. Psy-Sword Trauma Amp I 2.809 00 2.809 2.969 04.0 22 3.06
    Combat EnBlade-B (L) Trauma Amp I 3.539 00 3.539 2.946 03.0 33 5.73
    Survival EnBlade-B (L) No Amplifier 1.200 00 1.200 2.896 03.0 78 4.52
    S.I. Psy-Blade No Amplifier 0.970 00 0.970 2.866 03.0 82 3.80
    S.I. Combat Knife No Amplifier 1.215 00 1.215 2.860 05.0 67 3.88

    Personally I'm not the type of hunter that heals a whole lot, however I do believe that hunting ECO where possible including in how to deal with def costs does matter, so I would recommend using the tools listed below with consideration, but try obtaining for yourselves the best efficient tool from the bunch to help reduce def costs and to help with long term returns while hunting through better choices.

    A table of all the economical healing tools!

    Tool Name Type Heal E/ Heal Cost HPP TT/V Uses HPS
    Fanoos Medical V1 (L) FAP 10.3 9.01 0.050 180.25 0.05 32 4.81
    Medkit (L) FAP 12 12 0.500 24.00 0.5 30 6.00
    Refurbished H.E.A.R.T. Rank VI FAP 36 31.5 1.750 18.00 14 20 10.50
    S.I. H.E.A.R.T. FAP 14 14 0.900 15.56 9 19 4.43
    Vivo S10 FAP 19 16.63 1.350 12.31 22 31 8.59
    10-Pulse Unit FAP 18 15.75 1.487 10.59 7 24 6.30
    Refurbished H.E.A.R.T. Rank V FAP 22 19.25 1.900 10.13 14 20 6.42
    Herb Box FAP 15 13.13 1.305 10.06 5 30 6.56
    GYRO FAP-2 (L) FAP 10 8.75 0.875 10.00 5 20 2.92
    Vivo T1A (L) FAP 10.3 9.01 0.903 9.98 9 18 2.70

    For those who can afford it, try to purchase an Adjusted Restoration Chip as the efficiency is around the 158-160 heal per pec, which will allow you to hunt most things without any armour and naked lol.

    Hunting Tip Description
    No. 1 Hunt lowest maturity mobs, this reduces loot volatility greatly.
    No. 2 Hunt up to 3000 kills of mobs, this allows volatility to even out.
    No. 3 Ensure PED balance can kill 3000+ mobs before loot complaints.
    No. 4 Use armour to begin building up defence skills is more beneficial.
    No. 5 Ensure that you avoid any over amping and reducing any overkill.
    No. 6 Once defence skills are up try to kill mobs before they reach you.
    No. 7 Use teams to make kills cheaper on att/def decay and hunt longer.
    No. 8 Avoid using melee to skill up and hunt, unless you're privy to melee.
    No. 9 Only sell your loot once you've gone through your balance for ammo.
    No. 10 You hunt at the highest dpp & dps you can afford to maintain long term.

    PS: I will be recording all my hunting data onto a spreadsheet, which all have permission to copy and use for their ability to survive entropia! Google spreadsheet link found here > H2S Entropia Log

    PPS: I did inspired these people to start their own hunting logs.
    pSyCHe's Hunting Log, Lizzy's Hunting Log, Miku's Hunting Log!, OstraSuczka's Hunting Log.


    ~Mark~
    Last edited by M Rufen Power; 05-13-2017 at 20:38. Reason: Revised first post to include additional information.

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    Original Balance Margin Balance Current Balance
    1000 PED + 957 PED = 2125 PED

    Task Description
    Deposited 500 PED in order to hunt and trade more freely.
    Deposited 200 PED on strong boxes to try get an Ares Ring.
    Deposited 3800 PED in order to purchase Adjusted Restoration Chip.
    Deposited 800 PED in order to purchase Hermetic Ring Perfected.

    Creature Challenge Stages Completed
    Kerberos Iron Stage 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
    Berycled Iron Stage 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
    Kerberos Bronze Stage 9,100 / 60,000

    PS: Read here the > Bery Hunt Conclusion! Prt 1
    PPS: Read here the > Bery Hunt Conclusion! Prt 2


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    Quote Originally Posted by M Rufen Power View Post
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    Plus I also have my Musca Adj set under full TT roughly on 70%, so it's less decay!
    I'm confused.

    Good luck with your project

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angel O2 Mercer View Post
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    I'm confused.

    Good luck with your project
    It's the other hunters that need the luck more than me lol
    Start of Bery Iron to now 10k / 30k, only 1 negative run!

    But thank you for the encouragement!
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    Thanks for this thread! I have been dabbling in the Eco hunt myself recently due to most of my PED going into investments of some sort.

    Now i do have a question because i feel i may have misunderstood something my entire career of PE/EU


    If i'm hunting punys and the decay for armor is say 15 dmg per pec and my Fap is say 10 heal per pec

    Its 5 pec more eco to use armor correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by M Rufen Power View Post
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    Full protection = Full decay. 70% protection = 70% decay!
    But there is a minimum decay, and it depends on the max protection of the armor regardless of the current TT. UL armors should always be kept repaired, otherwise it's less eco (you get less protection and still pay the minimum decay).

    If you want less protection than the musca you should either:
    • Hunt naked and fap a bit (si heart, vivo s10, pulse unit)
    • Get yourself a set of CDF Scout (example) or a Dummy armor with 2A/3A.


    It's just my opinion/advice, hope you keep doing well.

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    I dont use armor or healer when I hunt. This of course limits a great deal what I can hunt.
    Most times I like to use knife or glove for hunting.

    thank you for this thread about eco hunting Really appreciate the work you have put into this

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    Good going!

    But my pedcard tells me eco is a myth...
    22 days left

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nova Genesis View Post
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    Thanks for this thread! I have been dabbling in the Eco hunt myself recently due to most of my PED going into investments of some sort.

    Now i do have a question because i feel i may have misunderstood something my entire career of PE/EU


    If i'm hunting punys and the decay for armour is say 15 dmg per pec and my Fap is say 10 heal per pec

    Its 5 pec more eco to use armor correct?
    Yes, full tt Musca Adjusted has better eco than a heart fap at base value on Berycled for example as I mentioned in the thread. That is correct Nova! But due to damage being an avg, it can at times over protect. There is a balance to this, but overall armours are more efficient at taking on dmg versus faps.

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    But there is a minimum decay, and it depends on the max protection of the armour regardless of the current TT. UL armours should always be kept repaired, otherwise it's less eco (you get less protection and still pay the minimum decay).

    If you want less protection than the musca you should either:
    • Hunt naked and fap a bit (si heart, vivo s10, pulse unit)
    • Get yourself a set of CDF Scout (example) or a Dummy armour with 2A/3A.


    It's just my opinion/advice, hope you keep doing well.
    Thanks for reminding me of why it is best to have armour sets to full TT mate. I fully well know about armour & plate combinations, however, for the sake of new players, who may not wish to invest into UL plate sets. I have strictly kept the armour aspect down to the sets themselves. I have all the sets mentioned above, for a new player CDF is cheap to obtain, plus you get a few pieces during some of the quests, Harrier comes with the GOLD Package as is, both Musca Adj & Pixie Adj come through Mentor-ship when you finally graduate. For those many reasons above, I myself have not invested in such plates. Though I know full well that I could get much better combinations doing so. The main reason I keep the set at 70% is so to reduce some over protection, though the set is still more eco than heart at full TT the over protection that occurs is too many imo. I will try to increase the sets value up a notch so I get that slightly bit more protection vs the minimum decay rate. Thank you for the advice O2.

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    I don't use armour or healer when I hunt. This of course limits a great deal what I can hunt.
    Most times I like to use knife or glove for hunting.

    thank you for this thread about eco hunting Really appreciate the work you have put into this
    Thank you so much for your great reply. I have always used armour and my evader is currently at Lv35 versus my highest Hit profession at Lv53. To most that gap is very small compared to other seasoned hunters. What is most remarkable is, playing the game with this sort of play-style, I notice that armour decay gets returned back to you in loot more so than healing decay. Now I have no proofs, only a very long time of observations in hunting. But don't be silly and then go and get Shadow Amour .
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiningSkeptic View Post
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    Good going!

    But my pedcard tells me eco is a myth...
    Thanks! You should go speak to Quin Perv, he's all about eco sib, maybe he has a few insights into what you may call a myth. Eco & Efficiency in EU are now the most important factors to seeing more loot being returned to you. What perhaps you are not taking into consideration is that loot cycles still exist and finding out how many kills it takes to break past that cycle, is also important when hunting large mobs.

    Now what observations I have made of loot cycles through hunting a Lv3 Mob was this, that a really bad loot cycle would last anything around the 800 kill mark, which is 2 full runs using the Chon + A101 till gun was broken. Usually on the third run the loot would pick up again, however, there have been a few rare instances where the bad loot cycle would continue! and would seize up near to the end of the 3rd run.

    So potentially I am looking at around 1200 kills with seriously bad loot before it gets any better, now that is on the extreme end. The range is more between: 500 - 2500 kills on a bad loot cycle. But I can usually predict quite comfortably when I will hit a global, roughly near the end of a bad loot cycle. I say it most times in my soc chat that I will global real soon, and before you know it, it happens!

    What scares me is if this is possible on a Lv3 mob, imagine now on Atrox's etc, where each kill is 14x times that of a Lv3 Mob. An atrox kill = 3.30ped x 1200 kills of bad loot = 3960ped if not more!

    Edit: 15/05/15 - I have had a 2500 kill streak of bad loot on a mob that costs 0.26 pecs per kill. If this were on atrox that is a loss of over 8200ped! Which I believe, as I knew somebody who had lost that much peds using an eco setup and then quit the game.
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