Is there any point in skilling up anymore?

MrFatBoy

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I fail to see why anyone should spend time and money trying to skill up in this game anymore when you can not even kill level 4 mobs without getting 1, 3, or 5 "Target Evaded..." messages. And on top of that Evade skill does nothing even against the lowest level mobs.

Why bother if someone gets to level 37+ pistol for example and uses a noob TT weps and gets more and more and more "target evaded attack". But yet some how the mobs never miss hitting them. And you would think if you have 2500+ points in evade you would see a very reduced amount of hits from level 0 to maybe level 8 or 9 mobs - but that is not the case.

Mobs i killed with Opalo 7 years ago now hit me more than when i was new - yes i know that is in part because of nerfs on top of nerfs and "modifications" but seriously.

If i had any real amount of peds left i would bet that no one that uses a mob level appropriate wep (opalo versus Daki for example) can kill more than 2 or 3 mobs in a row without getting several "mob evaded attack"messages - either that or I have been tagged as "skills = turned off" by MA.

I know the rate of these "target evaded..." have been increased in the past but they seem to be more and more annoying considering your lucky if the loot even covers the cost of these evaded shots on most mobs you kill. As if it were not enough that avg loot from a mob is reduced to crap and if you don't get that mini or a global in a run you get maybe 50%. All this just makes it more and more difficult to even grind low level mobs

99K+ skills and i may as well start over with 0 because apparently you need to be 100 levels higher than the mobs you are hunting before your skills actually make a difference.
 
Once your weapon's hit is maxed at 10/10, then all the skills in the world aren't going to decrease your evade rate.
 
im hunting kreltin atm and its a huge difference from when i hunted them last time around. This time i have higher evade lvl than young-old have in L , and they hit me alot less.

Im not sure where you get your data?
 
You're right in a sense that once you max out your equipment against a certain mob -- Additional skill levels are mostly useless.

Let's be honest, the only reason to increase your skill levels is if you want to use bigger guns to tackle bigger mobs. Of course, this is going to cost more -- so skilling essentially equates to earning your right to gamble higher stakes.

If you've already found your "comfort zone" in terms of game expenses, you're right in that there is no reason for you to advance your skill levels further.
 
Then it's time to skill BLP or mining or petting or the new farmer profession
 
Its pretty simple...the more you miss the more ammo you waste...the more ammo you waste the more money you spend..

Catch the drift??
 
It simply isn't a workable business model for MindArk to let mobs never hit you, and for you to never miss your target. As soon as you do that, it is pretty much profit time for you. If that was the case, then everyone would hunt about 10 levels less than they're capable of and just profit all day long. Then MindArk would go bust.
 
Evade (and dodge)...the only skills where you technically hunt for cheaper EVERY time you see the green line.

People who don't take evade as a mission reward when it is one of the 2 or 3 options are insane and if I hear about it, I yell at them and then defriend them. :mad:
 
I've noticed massive difference in Evade over the years. The more points I get, the more I evade. I think you got your data wrong.
Very easy to notice on Aurli's and Hogglo's (when you get to that point..)
Hogglo starts to miss at lvl 25 evade I think? (Correct me if I' m wrong...)

Regarding miss with a 10/10 weapon - I have no data on this, but I know you will always miss sometimes.
 
Hogglo starts to miss at lvl 25 evade I think? (Correct me if I' m wrong...)

I have no proof of this.. but my theory about evade works same as gun. I look at the L# for a mob as the starting level for its evade point, and L# + 5 to max it. I see a major difference once my evade level gets 5 over the L# for a mob. So with hogglo young would be around level 36 (if i remember right young are L31).

SpikE
 
Trox Iron Mission Stage II done yesterday... took Evade... nailed it. :lolup:
 
Hitrate is 90% just like since..... Fucking forever?
 
In the long run it's always the same hitrate if you maxed out your weapon. No point to get agitated over 6 shoots evaded in a row.

From my expirience evade does work pretty well and the leak of it can break your ped card on some mobs.
 
I have no proof of this.. but my theory about evade works same as gun. I look at the L# for a mob as the starting level for its evade point, and L# + 5 to max it. I see a major difference once my evade level gets 5 over the L# for a mob. So with hogglo young would be around level 36 (if i remember right young are L31).

SpikE

That could be a plausible way for it to work given no other context. However, we have context that shows otherwise: mob level is a recent addition (blame NEVERDIE--we didn't need it before he started naming mobs with different stats the same thing) and we know for a fact that it depends on regen, hp, damage, and other factors, and has been tweaked a time or two. Mob level DOES figure in to how much we can avoid crit damage, though. That's an addition that was made after the mob level.

The only statistical study of evader i'm aware of is my own, and it's a bit old: https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/...re-too-lazy-to-search-for&p=644778#post644778
Here's the summary plot of the hit ratio vs evader data.
Evadervs.mobs.gif


It wasn't possible from that to make any kind of prediction about mob evasion for mobs not studied. In fact, it seems that there may more than one equation used, depending on the mob. But it was possible to see that mob evasion essentially maxes out, as has already been said earlier in the thread, so you get diminishing returns to increased defensive skills beyond a certain point.

There's no doubt that we have a lot of holes in understanding to fill in. I'd love to see an updated study of at least one mob with different evader levels.
 
But it was possible to see that mob evasion essentially maxes out, as has already been said earlier in the thread, so you get diminishing returns to increased defensive skills beyond a certain point.

Interesting data, something that I noticed, too, when I am over 50 Evader and hunting something L 10...though they hit very rarely, I never noticed less hits from 50 evade vs 40 evader or even 30 evader on low mobs. It definitely seems like all mobs have a baseline.

But the great thing about evade is it keeps opening doors to new mobs that can be hunted more economically for the entire avatars life...so diminishing returns might happen on a single mob, but as far as the rest of the game goes, it still does consistently improve your ability to hunt eco, to hunt more mob types eco, and to find more mu from higher mobs...that never stops with evade and dodge.
 
Imo, the system is quite "simple", all it does is to use one value against another.
E.g, when shooting, the avatar have a value based on the stats from the gun and so on,
and the target has a value that has to be matched to get efficient.
If these values don't match, your build up is unbalanced, and you get a lot more "Target
evaded" since system try to match amount of interactions required to be most efficient
to that target.

Easy to test but people tend to stick to too few alternatives, so they don't find out these things.

A lot of Target evaded don't have to mean bad outcome thou', I've had some HoFs where I had
a s***load of Target evaded before they came.

The annoying thing with Target evaded is that it seems to include technical issues too now,
instead of showing up as Miss.
 
If these values don't match, your build up is unbalanced, and you get a lot more "Target
evaded" since system try to match amount of interactions required to be most efficient
to that target..

Big BS, hitrate is 90% if maxed on wep, even when using maxed opalo with L10 hit n dmg against L2300 sand king
 
That could be a plausible way for it to work given no other context. However, we have context that shows otherwise: mob level is a recent addition (blame NEVERDIE--we didn't need it before he started naming mobs with different stats the same thing) and we know for a fact that it depends on regen, hp, damage, and other factors, and has been tweaked a time or two. Mob level DOES figure in to how much we can avoid crit damage, though. That's an addition that was made after the mob level.

The only statistical study of evader i'm aware of is my own, and it's a bit old: https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/...re-too-lazy-to-search-for&p=644778#post644778
Here's the summary plot of the hit ratio vs evader data.
Evadervs.mobs.gif


It wasn't possible from that to make any kind of prediction about mob evasion for mobs not studied. In fact, it seems that there may more than one equation used, depending on the mob. But it was possible to see that mob evasion essentially maxes out, as has already been said earlier in the thread, so you get diminishing returns to increased defensive skills beyond a certain point.

There's no doubt that we have a lot of holes in understanding to fill in. I'd love to see an updated study of at least one mob with different evader levels.

This is fantastic info, I wish we had more datapoints and more mobs tested.
 
Big BS, hitrate is 90% if maxed on wep, even when using maxed opalo with L10 hit n dmg against L2300 sand king

I get way more Target evaded with m87(L) prowler + amp (yes I'm maxed on that one) than
what I get with m87(L) without amp when I hunt Araneas.
LC-400(L) with amp is better than without amp on Araneas.
I get way more Target evaded with mkV+a203 at a "certain mob" from a certain maturity
and up, than what I get with mkV+eamp13. Both setups are less good on the lower maturity.

Call it Big Bs if you want, I'm not that eager to convience people to follow my "theory",
but imo, when people talk about certain per cent of this and that, it's way too rough.
It's like brain surgery with a axe... :silly2:
System is way more precise than most seem to understand. Another thing people seem to
misunderstand is that every interaction with a target and using same equipment is linear.
Damage, Miss, Target evaded and so on are just "tools" to get variation in amount in
interactions, so it isn't so predictable.
Well, again, just my "theory, but what do I know of concept of gamemechanism?:silly2:
 
Thanks for the replies - some are over my head techie stuff but nice to see a good discussion.

And to the dude that neg rep me saying this is a rage post - if i had just 1 nice loot like you i would be happy for the next 5 years. So be happy and learn how to read and determine what a rage post is.

So i decided to do a short (very short) test to see how good my evade is and below is the chat log cleaned up to make it less bulky. about 5 mins standing still in front of a mob to see how many hits i get.

Guess the mob (i hide the damage to see if anyone can guess the mob and to make it a little fun).

The number next to the time stamp is the seconds since last hit - assuming my math is right.

Thanks

2015-05-26 22:48:59 [System] [] Target is lost. Extraction attempt failed.
2015-05-26 22:49:03 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:49:03 [System] [] Session time: 00:02:42
2015-05-26 22:49:21 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:49:22 [System] [] Session time: 00:03:01 19
2015-05-26 22:49:28 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:49:29 [System] [] Session time: 00:03:08 7
2015-05-26 22:49:34 [System] [] You take XXXXXXpoints of damage.
2015-05-26 22:49:35 [System] [] Session time: 00:03:14 6
2015-05-26 22:49:37 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:49:38 [System] [] Session time: 00:03:17 3
2015-05-26 22:49:40 [System] [] You takeXXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:49:41 [System] [] Session time: 00:03:20 3
2015-05-26 22:49:51 [System] [] You takeXXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:49:51 [System] [] Session time: 00:03:30 10
2015-05-26 22:50:07 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:50:07 [System] [] Session time: 00:03:46 16
2015-05-26 22:50:10 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:50:11 [System] [] Session time: 00:03:50 4
2015-05-26 22:50:13 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:50:14 [System] [] Session time: 00:03:53 3
2015-05-26 22:50:16 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:50:17 [System] [] Session time: 00:03:56 6
2015-05-26 22:50:26 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:50:27 [System] [] Session time: 00:04:06 10
2015-05-26 22:50:33 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:50:33 [System] [] Session time: 00:04:12 6
2015-05-26 22:50:39 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:50:39 [System] [] Session time: 00:04:18 6
2015-05-26 22:50:42 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:50:43 [System] [] Session time: 00:04:22 4
2015-05-26 22:50:46 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:50:46 [System] [] Session time: 00:04:25 3
2015-05-26 22:50:52 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:50:52 [System] [] Session time: 00:04:31 6
2015-05-26 22:50:55 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:50:56 [System] [] Session time: 00:04:35 4
2015-05-26 22:50:58 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:50:59 [System] [] Session time: 00:04:38 3
2015-05-26 22:51:11 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:51:12 [System] [] Session time: 00:04:51 13
2015-05-26 22:51:14 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:51:15 [System] [] Session time: 00:04:54 3
2015-05-26 22:51:17 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:51:18 [System] [] Session time: 00:04:57 3
2015-05-26 22:51:40 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:51:40 [System] [] Session time: 00:05:19 22
2015-05-26 22:51:46 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:51:46 [System] [] Session time: 00:05:25 6
2015-05-26 22:51:49 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:51:49 [System] [] Session time: 00:05:28 3
2015-05-26 22:51:52 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:51:52 [System] [] Session time: 00:05:31 3
2015-05-26 22:52:01 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:52:02 [System] [] Session time: 00:05:41 10
2015-05-26 22:52:18 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:52:18 [System] [] Session time: 00:05:57 16
2015-05-26 22:52:30 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:52:31 [System] [] Session time: 00:06:10 13
2015-05-26 22:52:40 [System] [] You takeXXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:52:41 [System] [] Session time: 00:06:20 10
2015-05-26 22:52:44 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:52:44 [System] [] Session time: 00:06:23 3
2015-05-26 22:53:25 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:53:27 [System] [] Session time: 00:07:06 43
2015-05-26 22:53:34 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:53:35 [System] [] Session time: 00:07:14 8
2015-05-26 22:53:44 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:53:44 [System] [] Session time: 00:07:23 9
2015-05-26 22:53:47 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:53:48 [System] [] Session time: 00:07:27 4
2015-05-26 22:53:54 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:53:54 [System] [] Session time: 00:07:33 6
 
Thanks for the replies - some are over my head techie stuff but nice to see a good discussion.

And to the dude that neg rep me saying this is a rage post - if i had just 1 nice loot like you i would be happy for the next 5 years. So be happy and learn how to read and determine what a rage post is.

So i decided to do a short (very short) test to see how good my evade is and below is the chat log cleaned up to make it less bulky. about 5 mins standing still in front of a mob to see how many hits i get.

Guess the mob (i hide the damage to see if anyone can guess the mob and to make it a little fun).

The number next to the time stamp is the seconds since last hit - assuming my math is right.

Thanks

2015-05-26 22:48:59 [System] [] Target is lost. Extraction attempt failed.
2015-05-26 22:49:03 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:49:03 [System] [] Session time: 00:02:42
2015-05-26 22:49:21 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:49:22 [System] [] Session time: 00:03:01 19
2015-05-26 22:49:28 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:49:29 [System] [] Session time: 00:03:08 7
2015-05-26 22:49:34 [System] [] You take XXXXXXpoints of damage.
2015-05-26 22:49:35 [System] [] Session time: 00:03:14 6
2015-05-26 22:49:37 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:49:38 [System] [] Session time: 00:03:17 3
2015-05-26 22:49:40 [System] [] You takeXXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:49:41 [System] [] Session time: 00:03:20 3
2015-05-26 22:49:51 [System] [] You takeXXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:49:51 [System] [] Session time: 00:03:30 10
2015-05-26 22:50:07 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:50:07 [System] [] Session time: 00:03:46 16
2015-05-26 22:50:10 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:50:11 [System] [] Session time: 00:03:50 4
2015-05-26 22:50:13 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:50:14 [System] [] Session time: 00:03:53 3
2015-05-26 22:50:16 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:50:17 [System] [] Session time: 00:03:56 6
2015-05-26 22:50:26 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:50:27 [System] [] Session time: 00:04:06 10
2015-05-26 22:50:33 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:50:33 [System] [] Session time: 00:04:12 6
2015-05-26 22:50:39 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:50:39 [System] [] Session time: 00:04:18 6
2015-05-26 22:50:42 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:50:43 [System] [] Session time: 00:04:22 4
2015-05-26 22:50:46 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:50:46 [System] [] Session time: 00:04:25 3
2015-05-26 22:50:52 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:50:52 [System] [] Session time: 00:04:31 6
2015-05-26 22:50:55 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:50:56 [System] [] Session time: 00:04:35 4
2015-05-26 22:50:58 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:50:59 [System] [] Session time: 00:04:38 3
2015-05-26 22:51:11 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:51:12 [System] [] Session time: 00:04:51 13
2015-05-26 22:51:14 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:51:15 [System] [] Session time: 00:04:54 3
2015-05-26 22:51:17 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:51:18 [System] [] Session time: 00:04:57 3
2015-05-26 22:51:40 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:51:40 [System] [] Session time: 00:05:19 22
2015-05-26 22:51:46 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:51:46 [System] [] Session time: 00:05:25 6
2015-05-26 22:51:49 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:51:49 [System] [] Session time: 00:05:28 3
2015-05-26 22:51:52 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:51:52 [System] [] Session time: 00:05:31 3
2015-05-26 22:52:01 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:52:02 [System] [] Session time: 00:05:41 10
2015-05-26 22:52:18 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:52:18 [System] [] Session time: 00:05:57 16
2015-05-26 22:52:30 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:52:31 [System] [] Session time: 00:06:10 13
2015-05-26 22:52:40 [System] [] You takeXXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:52:41 [System] [] Session time: 00:06:20 10
2015-05-26 22:52:44 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:52:44 [System] [] Session time: 00:06:23 3
2015-05-26 22:53:25 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:53:27 [System] [] Session time: 00:07:06 43
2015-05-26 22:53:34 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:53:35 [System] [] Session time: 00:07:14 8
2015-05-26 22:53:44 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:53:44 [System] [] Session time: 00:07:23 9
2015-05-26 22:53:47 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:53:48 [System] [] Session time: 00:07:27 4
2015-05-26 22:53:54 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:53:54 [System] [] Session time: 00:07:33 6

This gives me no information at all, what are you trying to say?

Mobs are kinda supposed to hit you, the higher your evade is, the lesser hits you will take.
 
Thanks for the replies - some are over my head techie stuff but nice to see a good discussion.

And to the dude that neg rep me saying this is a rage post - if i had just 1 nice loot like you i would be happy for the next 5 years. So be happy and learn how to read and determine what a rage post is.

So i decided to do a short (very short) test to see how good my evade is and below is the chat log cleaned up to make it less bulky. about 5 mins standing still in front of a mob to see how many hits i get.

Guess the mob (i hide the damage to see if anyone can guess the mob and to make it a little fun).

The number next to the time stamp is the seconds since last hit - assuming my math is right.

Thanks

2015-05-26 22:48:59 [System] [] Target is lost. Extraction attempt failed.
2015-05-26 22:49:03 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:49:03 [System] [] Session time: 00:02:42
2015-05-26 22:49:21 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:49:22 [System] [] Session time: 00:03:01 19
2015-05-26 22:49:28 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:49:29 [System] [] Session time: 00:03:08 7
2015-05-26 22:49:34 [System] [] You take XXXXXXpoints of damage.
2015-05-26 22:49:35 [System] [] Session time: 00:03:14 6
2015-05-26 22:49:37 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:49:38 [System] [] Session time: 00:03:17 3
2015-05-26 22:49:40 [System] [] You takeXXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:49:41 [System] [] Session time: 00:03:20 3
2015-05-26 22:49:51 [System] [] You takeXXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:49:51 [System] [] Session time: 00:03:30 10
2015-05-26 22:50:07 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:50:07 [System] [] Session time: 00:03:46 16
2015-05-26 22:50:10 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:50:11 [System] [] Session time: 00:03:50 4
2015-05-26 22:50:13 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:50:14 [System] [] Session time: 00:03:53 3
2015-05-26 22:50:16 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:50:17 [System] [] Session time: 00:03:56 6
2015-05-26 22:50:26 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:50:27 [System] [] Session time: 00:04:06 10
2015-05-26 22:50:33 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:50:33 [System] [] Session time: 00:04:12 6
2015-05-26 22:50:39 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:50:39 [System] [] Session time: 00:04:18 6
2015-05-26 22:50:42 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:50:43 [System] [] Session time: 00:04:22 4
2015-05-26 22:50:46 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:50:46 [System] [] Session time: 00:04:25 3
2015-05-26 22:50:52 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:50:52 [System] [] Session time: 00:04:31 6
2015-05-26 22:50:55 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:50:56 [System] [] Session time: 00:04:35 4
2015-05-26 22:50:58 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:50:59 [System] [] Session time: 00:04:38 3
2015-05-26 22:51:11 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:51:12 [System] [] Session time: 00:04:51 13
2015-05-26 22:51:14 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:51:15 [System] [] Session time: 00:04:54 3
2015-05-26 22:51:17 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:51:18 [System] [] Session time: 00:04:57 3
2015-05-26 22:51:40 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
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2015-05-26 22:51:46 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
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2015-05-26 22:51:49 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
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2015-05-26 22:51:52 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
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2015-05-26 22:52:01 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
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2015-05-26 22:52:18 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:52:18 [System] [] Session time: 00:05:57 16
2015-05-26 22:52:30 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:52:31 [System] [] Session time: 00:06:10 13
2015-05-26 22:52:40 [System] [] You takeXXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:52:41 [System] [] Session time: 00:06:20 10
2015-05-26 22:52:44 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:52:44 [System] [] Session time: 00:06:23 3
2015-05-26 22:53:25 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
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2015-05-26 22:53:34 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
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2015-05-26 22:53:44 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
2015-05-26 22:53:44 [System] [] Session time: 00:07:23 9
2015-05-26 22:53:47 [System] [] You take XXXXXX points of damage.
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Lol...what? Not sure what you are trying to prove...but IF you want to some REAL data, lets BOTH do this on the same mob type of the same level for 5 minutes.

Then you will see what evade does :D
 
I can kill atrax stalker now without dieing. Hogglo upto guardian. When I was still a little spawn If I saw any of these mobs, I ran like hell.. and died because these mobs ran harder. Proof enough for me
 
I can kill atrax stalker now without dieing. Hogglo upto guardian. When I was still a little spawn If I saw any of these mobs, I ran like hell.. and died because these mobs ran harder. Proof enough for me

I still have to run... :(


(but that's because I chipped out ... twice!)
 
This gives me no information at all, what are you trying to say?

Mobs are kinda supposed to hit you, the higher your evade is, the lesser hits you will take.

I know mobs are supposed to hit me that is not the issue. The issue is that I am questioning if Skills, Evade in particular, do much of anything.

In my posts i mentioned that i had 2400+ evade (yes i know its not lvl 100 or anything like that) and the chat log was to show that the mob i was testing hits pretty much continuously (maybe some kind of reset in there as there are some longer periods between hits).

I hide the mob damage because the mob i was testing is about as noob of a mob as there is, and IF evade did anything i would think the hits would be much further apart - much further apart. I wanted to see what people would guess at the mob being based on the hit data. So far one vote for pack of Atrox - which it is not.
 
Lol...what? Not sure what you are trying to prove...but IF you want to some REAL data, lets BOTH do this on the same mob type of the same level for 5 minutes.

Then you will see what evade does :D

I am happy to do this and see the result. I think you can test on any mob that is way below your level and post the results without me also.

If anyone guesses the mob i will join you for your proposed test but as of now i want to see what some of the more experienced player base comes up. I think it is interesting to see what mobs people think it is based on what i posted (maybe i am wrong but ehh its more fun than just telling you)

If you can evade big mobs like Hogglo and the such than a mob 10 or 15 levels lower than that should not hit you that much and not too often.
 
I can kill atrax stalker now without dieing. Hogglo upto guardian. When I was still a little spawn If I saw any of these mobs, I ran like hell.. and died because these mobs ran harder. Proof enough for me

nice! But i doubt that is obtainable anymore - evade gains stupidly slow and unfortunately i have a full time job already.

I was almost able to out run a Atrox young at one point (pre V10) but than they nerfed Agility to make that almost useless as well and now there are few mobs i can out run even with 60+ agility (think i am at 67? not sure as it just does not mean anything much to me now)

Thanks for the reply
 
The mob is hitting you about 1 in 2.7 attacks, so your evade is working. You appear to think this mob should hit you less because it's low level, but all mobs are different and some relatively low level mobs with small hp are surprisingly good at hitting, and other mobs you think would destroy you tend to miss a lot.
 
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