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here's the sign (updated about a week ago or so by MA)

billairboy said:
Any picture of the sign you are talking about?

Edit: Okey I guess the board was the "sign", but where do the information about 5000 kills comes from?
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This is it. Cannot see how people find it hard to understand. Get off the med's. Or take more. 5K and you get a banana, send support, get reward.

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I wasn't suggesting you wait to start but I am saying wait a bit now. Your first to completion of the 5k is on record now. To my understanding there were two holidays over the weekend in Sweden. To expect a response even without that within 48 hours (don't think they work weekends other than tier 1 support.. which is sparse anyway) is asking for a miracle.

But yes.. I agree that all this should have been tested and functioning in the game. Not having to send a support case etc.
 
Erastothenes said:


This is it. Cannot see how people find it hard to understand. Get off the med's. Or take more. 5K and you get a banana, send support, get reward.

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As it states, I killed over 5k even though it clearly states the banana drops at 5k. Nowhere was it posted this is not an active event in or out of game.
 
GradenFoss said:
It′s a Nigerian Chinese fake.

Check how »receive« is spelt in the wrong way. Wrong grammar, too––»First one to recieve...and sends...«

:o:
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lol :)
 
Wildman Alpha said:
As it states, I killed over 5k even though it clearly states the banana drops at 5k. Nowhere was it posted this is not an active event in or out of game.
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I'm afraid it doesn't state it clearly, a lot of people, including myself, don't read it as such.
That being said, it's still a major fuck-up to add that sign and the quest to the game in this way.
I hope you win it in the end.
 
Maybe it's Kill Bruce 5000 times (Wildman has done that bit) and then first to get the banana wins.


Lets all go Kill Bruce :yay:
 
Erastothenes said:


This is it. Cannot see how people find it hard to understand. Get off the med's. Or take more. 5K and you get a banana, send support, get reward.

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I will understand if you do.

Let me break it down.

Bruce Challenge Rules and Information!

First one to receive the Banana of the peak and sends a support case while having the banana in their inventory gets the deed to Warrior Peak Estate.
(so one needs to receive a Banana of "the peak" we can assume they mean kill bruce to get the Banana.)

So far so good.

Bruce will most likely... bla bla nothing important.

Continue.

Rules, there are none, first one to beat bruce 5000 times & send a support case claiming the deed gets it.

So we can see already Mindarks rules are contradicting each other, first they state the First to receive banana gets the deed, when we read on they say First one to beat bruce 5000 times gets the deed, so those 2 sentences should have raised some flags.
 
If it helps, I got a banana for ya....:laugh:
 
Ok, I'm going to write one last message to get my thoughts clear on this. It's not because of some shitty pm I just had, I really don't give a crap what some guy behind a pc a thousand miles away thinks of me. I just think some of u guys may be getting my thoughts wrong.


MA fucked up. If it was my decision I'd give wildman the prize, build another one and run the event properly. I worked in casinos for over 10 years and I know how to treat customers, if there's a possibility I made a mistake I give the customer the benefit of the doubt and pay up.

Having said that, I think everyone who read that notice knew there was something wrong with it. Instead of confirming something that was clearly messed up, they rushed straight into it and hoped they'd get the prize either by legitimate means or shouting as load as they could until MA gave up.

You think that makes me a dick, fine; do u really think I care?
 
In what universe is that sign straightforward? :scratch2:

Hope the issue gets solved though.
 
Harmony. said:
I'm afraid it doesn't state it clearly, a lot of people, including myself, don't read it as such.
That being said, it's still a major fuck-up to add that sign and the quest to the game in this way.
I hope you win it in the end.
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Well three things here:

1. it does state clearly that after 5k kills you get a banana
2. MA even posted on all forums about the current error with this mission
3. and well, NI doesn't even have bananas that is a RT thing (that yes was taken from NI long ago).
 
slither said:
Ok, I'm going to write one last message to get my thoughts clear on this. It's not because of some shitty pm I just had, I really don't give a crap what some guy behind a pc a thousand miles away thinks of me. I just think some of u guys may be getting my thoughts wrong.


MA fucked up. If it was my decision I'd give wildman the prize, build another one and run the event properly. I worked in casinos for over 10 years and I know how to treat customers, if there's a possibility I made a mistake I give the customer the benefit of the doubt and pay up.

Having said that, I think everyone who read that notice knew there was something wrong with it. Instead of confirming something that was clearly messed up, they rushed straight into it and hoped they'd get the prize either by legitimate means or shouting as load as they could until MA gave up.

You think that makes me a dick, fine; do u really think I care?
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well said, and I didn't PM you lol.

The banana is the drop because Bruce is a monkey. :tux:
 
OZtwo said:
Well three things here:

1. it does state clearly that after 5k kills you get a banana
2. MA even posted on all forums about the current error with this mission
3. and well, NI doesn't even have bananas that is a RT thing (that yes was taken from NI long ago).
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It doesn´t state u get the banana after 5k kills, first it says first person to receive the banana will get the deed, then it says kill bruce 5k times to get the deed, those 2 sentences don´t add up to killing bruce 5k times will automatically give you the banana.
 
slither said:
Ok, I'm going to write one last message to get my thoughts clear on this. It's not because of some shitty pm I just had, I really don't give a crap what some guy behind a pc a thousand miles away thinks of me. I just think some of u guys may be getting my thoughts wrong.


MA fucked up. If it was my decision I'd give wildman the prize, build another one and run the event properly. I worked in casinos for over 10 years and I know how to treat customers, if there's a possibility I made a mistake I give the customer the benefit of the doubt and pay up.

Having said that, I think everyone who read that notice knew there was something wrong with it. Instead of confirming something that was clearly messed up, they rushed straight into it and hoped they'd get the prize either by legitimate means or shouting as load as they could until MA gave up.

You think that makes me a dick, fine; do u really think I care?
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I don't think you're dick, out spoken like me maybe ;-)

Just one more food for thought, this is an international game. Anyone with poor english will read kill 5k of bruce, they will understand that, the rest is kinda mute.

He killed 5k, nothing happened, MA foooooked up. Simple as.

Rgds


Ace
 
Ace Flyster said:
Just one more food for thought, this is an international game. Anyone with poor english will read kill 5k of bruce, they will understand that, the rest is kinda mute.
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someone bad english its not MA fault
 
I have this sorted in my head now I think.

What this sign is saying in actuality is this:

The first person to get a banana gets a deed and the first person to kill Bruce 5000 times gets a deed.

Looks like you need 2 deeds for 2 shops MA.

Am I right? :)
 
Its like one of those logic puzzles.



There are two ways to get the deed:

1) Receive banana, send mail with banana in inventory, recieve deed

or

2) Kill 5000 Bruce, send mail, receive deed.




Going by the exact wording, you can get the deed two ways, and banana's and bruces are not related.

Therefore Wildman should get the deed.!!!!!! Q.E.D.


:tux::tux::tux::tux::tux::tux::tux::tux::tux::tux::tux::tux::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:


Rgds

Ace
 
I know I said that was my last post on the subject, but../:laugh:

No, wildman did not pm me. Sorry, I think I should have made that clear.

Ace Flyster said:
Just one more food for thought, this is an international game. Anyone with poor english will read kill 5k of bruce, they will understand that, the rest is kinda mute.
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Exactly, which makes the fucked up sign even more fucked up :laugh: and my view of people reading it any differently than me should probably be a bit nicer, I never considered that :)
 
Wildman Alpha said:
As it states, I killed over 5k even though it clearly states the banana drops at 5k. Nowhere was it posted this is not an active event in or out of game.
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Actually, this is not even close to clearly stated. The phrase "After you have killed Bruce 5000 times he will drop a banana....." or something similair would have been clearly stated

And as I see it it was greed that blinded you from the obvious flaws, you saw a the chance to compete unchallenged and you took a chance on it. Comparing with a planet in beta phase (cyrene) isnt really valid.

You should have known it was a longshoot.


But the worst part of all this is the people in this thread trying to force everyone else to agree, we ALL have the right till our own opinion. And MY opinion is that even if MA (or whoever controls that planet) shouldnt have the sign up until the event begins they should NOT reward stupidity. 1. the rules were nowhere clear 2. No counter 3. No entry in mission log, or was there one not mentioned in this thread? 4. No advertisment whatsoever for such a nice price. What would be the point of such a contest if noone knows about it.

Ofcourse, I might have had a diffrent opinion if I were the stupid one, we are all quite biased whwn it comes to ourselfs


But anyhow, best of luck with your supportcase (And by the way, this is not the first of these cases, the one who trades in robotparts for armor in troy stood there a year or two ago claiming you could loot stuff you could trade in for nice rewards, which ofcourse you could not)
 
voom said:
I have this sorted in my head now I think.

What this sign is saying in actuality is this:

The first person to get a banana gets a deed and the first person to kill Bruce 5000 times gets a deed.

Looks like you need 2 deeds for 2 shops MA.

Am I right? :)
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thats exactly what i thought it meant when i was reading the sign the first time in the other thread...

i really can't understand why MA fucks up almost every time...
 
The issue is not weather Wildman needs the banana or not, its that all hes ~6k kills dosent count towards the reward. I saw the sign a day after VU, i was sure that it was active. There was nothing to say otherwise.

Epic MA fuckup!
 
I can agree that the text used by Mindark for the mission was very poorly written.

Problem with this text is it can be read in 2 ways, either in favor of the grind or not.
If the assumption is logical it´s hard to ignore it, but it only becomes logical reading it in a certain way, and makes no sense if you read it as is.
 
On a serious note, 4400 nailed it (without actually realizing it):
S4400Salvation said:
So we can see already Mindarks rules are contradicting each other, first they state the First to receive banana gets the deed, when we read on they say First one to beat bruce 5000 times gets the deed, so those 2 sentences should have raised some flags.
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Why?
Well it's a simple math exercise (logic, to be precise). If both equations give the same outcome:

"Beat Bruce 5000 times" = "Get the deed"​

and:

"Receive the banana" = "Get the deed"​

then it also means:

"Beat Bruce 5000 times" = "Receive the banana"​

But but but... Wildman didn't get the banana!!! u say?
Yes true. But there's only 2 possible explanations why. Either 1) u believe the message itself was wrong, or 2) he should have gotten the reward, but the mission was bugged.

So, take your pick...

There's no 3rd explanation. Mathematical logic is universal and remains the same across any cultural differences. If u don't know math, well that's your problem. :wtg:
 
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Fifth said:
On a serious note, 4400 nailed it (without actually realizing it):

Why?
Well it's a simple math exercise (logic, to be precise). If both sides of the equation give the same outcome:
"Beat Bruce 5000 times" = "Get the deed"​

and:
"Receive the banana" = "Get the deed"​

then it also means:
"Beat Bruce 5000 times" = "Receive the banana"​

But but but... Wildman didn't get the banana!!! u say?
Yes true. But there's only 2 possible explanations why. Either 1) u believe the message itself was wrong, or 2) he should have gotten the reward, but the mission was bugged.

So, take your pick...

There's no 3rd explanation. Mathematical logic is universal and remains the same across any cultural differences. If u don't know math, well that's your problem. :wtg:
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I think the problem starts if one uses logic to verify that text, with logic ofcourse one would expect kill bruce 5k get banana and the deed, but reading the text as it is, there is no logic to be found.
 
Fifth said:
On a serious note, 4400 nailed it (without actually realizing it):

Why?
Well it's a simple math exercise (logic, to be precise). If both equations give the same outcome:

"Beat Bruce 5000 times" = "Get the deed"​

and:

"Receive the banana" = "Get the deed"​

then it also means:

"Beat Bruce 5000 times" = "Receive the banana"​

But but but... Wildman didn't get the banana!!! u say?
Yes true. But there's only 2 possible explanations why. Either 1) u believe the message itself was wrong, or 2) he should have gotten the reward, but the mission was bugged.

So, take your pick...

There's no 3rd explanation. Mathematical logic is universal and remains the same across any cultural differences. If u don't know math, well that's your problem. :wtg:
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ATH = hof

12 ped = hof

Ath = 12 ped?

:scratch2:
 
You haven't calculated into your formula...

Human Error...

My personal assessment is that MA intended for someone to loot the banana after so many Bruce's had been killed...let's say 100k(but not by any single individual) but a number that seems reasonable for getting an LA. What they intended for the rules to say was that one must loot the banana AND kill 5k Bruce. Since all loot drops are formulaic and theoretically random....it would be possible for someone to come and kill one Bruce...loot a banana and go claim the deed with banana in inventory. The purpose of this was to prevent just that from happening by requiring also 5k Bruces. They may not have even calculated that there was only one mob with capability of one person to kill at a time or that multiple people would be KS the Bruce and thus limit the total # of Bruces killed to a point that someone could reach 5k without receiving the banana.


I have rewritten the rules to make it perfectly clear how the event is to be handled:

"Bruce Challenge Rules and Information

One first to the banana receive while peaking into their support case and having banana in an inventory gets dead to the Warriors Peak

Bruce will most likely be Have in future estates and will on property stay probably

Rules, there are none but only one(or two), one first to best Burce 5k thousand times and a case of supporting to be mailed by first class mail through the Postal Service of Botswana claiming the dead gets it if they follow the rules or not.

Go beat Bruce."

That should resolve the confusion. You are welcome!

Brick

And now for something completely different:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6674ozx16D0
 
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