WTH is happening nowadays?

EU was project entropia beta until january of 2003.. And yes... old EU (aka pre-vu10/ 2006-2008) You could hof 5k on f***ing argos and exarosaurs...
I've also had friends complain of 40-50% tt returns during that time..

I understand that bigger loots started dropping around 2006-08 (SGA, TI, all that good stuff). But when I think of "old" EU, I think of 2002-2005's "Project Entropia". That was the absolutely most ENJOYABLE time period of this game. Anyone could loot fun UL items, (L) didn't exist, and loot was VERY stable. My first uber loot was a 1250 PED Atrax Young that happened to just agro me while I was running to the ambulimax crashed ship near Twins. It had 2 Paladin parts, an ML-35, DOA Strikehammer, Marber Bravo, ruby (or garnet?), and PEDs. The MU of the two guns was 5k PED total.

Those two guns now cost, what, 10k PED for either? The game has become far less accessible for the average PC gamer (if they were interested in trying out the game) and loot is far worse.

SGA was the last stable period in the game. Everything after that has only further ruined the game. Planet Partners was a HORRIBLE idea. It has completely destabilized the game. MA should have stayed MA and just continued to build the game themselves. They should have kept with Project Entropia.

But now a new player, to experience what us older players used to, has to pay 10x into the game than we ever did. And for what? Games with microtransactions are far more successful because it can be cheap to play, without ANY risk. However, this is the only true RCE game that exists, which touts the idea of being able to get some of your investment back out. This just doesn't happen for 99% of the players.

Burn this game to the ground. Bring back PE.
 
I start getting sick about this old days was so much better than today bla bla bla .....

Have you read what OP is doing?

If you would have done that in old days, you would have lost a lot too, unless you hit that big UBER.

1 run = whole TT of A106 + corresponding ammo of weapon + armor and healing costs = atm is it around 365 peds/run circled (making 30% loss = 109 peds and 45% loss = 146 peds)

It takes aprox 45 minutes - 1h and 15 minutes depending on buffs and necessity to heal myself.

I prefer stick to mobs with high % oils. So my typical mobs on Caly were molisks/atraxes/drones/allophyls/kerberos/feffoids - always small maturities and depending on animal oil MU

This gun is simply to big for that small mobs.

1 missed shot is 20-25% higher cost to kill on that mobs.
Every 5 missed/evaded shots with this gun, he lost PED for 1 kill.

I am not surprised he got this high losses.

Its like shooting ModMerc onto Foul youngs, you know what I mean.
Even with best eco guns, overkill is very expencive.

Question to OP: Did you use a finisher?
 
What makes you think that EWE LC-120 Purpose CDF edi is to big gun for that mobs? Using simile of Mod merc and foul is a quite exaggerated man.
Of course Im using finisher!
 
1) You're hunting/mining/crafting way out of your budget (ie. 5000 kills/drops/clicks)
......

To OP and all the others that complained here. What rocket said. Simple as that. For mining, avoid indoor mining with that budget, like hell, foma etc... Unless you hit a lucky hof you will run out of peds fast. Same goes for hunting. Hunt smaller mobs with nice MU and with smaller eco gear. Do research first, shoot later.
I hope that I could help and that lootius will bless you.

gl & hof big!
 
I'd say try again after migration :)
 
MA is using every possible way to zero our ped cards in hope for some depositing, like a player with lvl 29 laser sniper dmg get 6 evade in a row from a L1 mob. And this trully happened, so don't be alarmed with big number of frags even in big mobs.

I think this statement is most true, tring everything to zero ped card to force another deposit.
 
To OP and all the others that complained here. What rocket said. Simple as that. For mining, avoid indoor mining with that budget, like hell, foma etc... Unless you hit a lucky hof you will run out of peds fast. Same goes for hunting. Hunt smaller mobs with nice MU and with smaller eco gear. Do research first, shoot later.
I hope that I could help and that lootius will bless you.

gl & hof big!

Yet, people who have played for longer than most of the game's population, who know how to play, are leaving the game out of pure frustration. Sure, some people don't play properly, but that isn't an indication that the rest of the players are wrong.

You also can't expect players that are level 60, 70, 80, 90, etc to drop down and hunt something like Atrox Young with an LC-100 in order to save PEDs. What would be the point? At the higher levels, mobs can cost 10, 20, 30+ PED to kill, yet they drop 5 PED on average? The last Vanguard I killed before I exiled myself from the game returned 3.75 PED to me. And it was a Vanguard Commander, not a low Gen.
 
As previously stated, this happens as a matter of course, it is happening to me at the moment, you just have to grin an bear it. Like yourself I had limited funds up to the start of this year so I just dropped to hunting small mobs. RL finances have improved so my current down turn seems financially much worse.

This happened to me around the same time last year but I spent 4 months in the summer not having to depo.

Hope both our loot improves soon.
 
Its like shooting ModMerc onto Foul youngs, you know what I mean.
Even with best eco guns, overkill is very expencive.

I've watched people kill chirpies with one because of the overkill theory on loots.

If loot return is based on turn over then poor loot becomes a vicious circle, you don't spend as and it takes longer and longer to get out it. You leave for a month and when you return we expect the bonus other people have got for coming back only to get the same crap loot again so we down size and go low level.

Then while playing low level MA secretly increase the amount needed to get out of the poor loot or nerf the global rate (again).

Or you just give up and rage quit ;)
 
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I start getting sick about this old days was so much better than today bla bla bla .....

Have you read what OP is doing?

If you would have done that in old days, you would have lost a lot too, unless you hit that big UBER.



This gun is simply to big for that small mobs.

1 missed shot is 20-25% higher cost to kill on that mobs.
Every 5 missed/evaded shots with this gun, he lost PED for 1 kill.

I am not surprised he got this high losses.

Its like shooting ModMerc onto Foul youngs, you know what I mean.
Even with best eco guns, overkill is very expencive.

Question to OP: Did you use a finisher?
While I agree finisher is one of the most important tools to succeed in hunting. Brains matter the most.
Priorities which should be followed to the T.

1. Budget - Don't go shoot above your ped card ie hunt daspletor with 1k ped on card.

2. Right mob - This is the hardest part in the game. Most people just grind the same mob over and over again hoping for the magic 90% long-term which is up to them to do. But if you do be wary of hunting smaller mobs when it's your time to hof you will lose your chance to get a higher multiplier.
Key is to know what mob to hunt - when to hunt it and where.

3. Know when to take a break IF still BAD ---> change mob - BAD AGAIN? --> STOP! - Most important thing.

4. ALWAYS use a finisher - Take note at certain regen speed you'll need a bigger finisher and if you're gun is too small it would be pointless to use it. So balance it out around 1/3 or 1/4th of max dmg of your main weapon. For non regen mobs I even use two finishers. One to take off a bigger portion of health like 10% and another to slice&dice the remaining hp 1-5%

5. Hunt below your level. This will keep your defense costs down while giving you more chance to loot good stuff because of your higher dps compared to others who are hunting the same mob.
 
While I agree finisher is one of the most important tools to succeed in hunting. Brains matter the most.
Priorities which should be followed to the T.

1. Budget - Don't go shoot above your ped card ie hunt daspletor with 1k ped on card.

2. Right mob - This is the hardest part in the game. Most people just grind the same mob over and over again hoping for the magic 90% long-term which is up to them to do. But if you do be wary of hunting smaller mobs when it's your time to hof you will lose your chance to get a higher multiplier.
Key is to know what mob to hunt - when to hunt it and where.

3. Know when to take a break IF still BAD ---> change mob - BAD AGAIN? --> STOP! - Most important thing.

4. ALWAYS use a finisher - Take note at certain regen speed you'll need a bigger finisher and if you're gun is too small it would be pointless to use it. So balance it out around 1/3 or 1/4th of max dmg of your main weapon. For non regen mobs I even use two finishers. One to take off a bigger portion of health like 10% and another to slice&dice the remaining hp 1-5%

5. Hunt below your level. This will keep your defense costs down while giving you more chance to loot good stuff because of your higher dps compared to others who are hunting the same mob.

Very good points which most will over look and I find a lot will start to rage hunt when loot is bad trying to prove that loot sucks all the while loosing a lot more PED. What kills a lot in this game is the missing and over kill of mobs.

One other item to watch carefully as I like to call it "Evade Hour" in that at times the servers will just start missing left and right. When this happens, STOP! You will lose a lot in this time frame. If you can't stop, try moving around while shooting and this sometimes slows the missing down if not in "Evade Hour".
 
Yet, people who have played for longer than most of the game's population, who know how to play, are leaving the game out of pure frustration. Sure, some people don't play properly, but that isn't an indication that the rest of the players are wrong.

You also can't expect players that are level 60, 70, 80, 90, etc to drop down and hunt something like Atrox Young with an LC-100 in order to save PEDs. What would be the point? At the higher levels, mobs can cost 10, 20, 30+ PED to kill, yet they drop 5 PED on average? The last Vanguard I killed before I exiled myself from the game returned 3.75 PED to me. And it was a Vanguard Commander, not a low Gen.

Well I also play 10 years + and I´m still here. The point that you ask for is to step down a bit, build up the pedcard again and then go on with bigger stuff, no matter if its hunting, mining or crafting. If you can`t survive bad lootperiods its not the games fault but the players... It simply doesn`t matter how many skillpoints you have. Sometimes you have to get over your ego and step down. But every time a thread like this is brought up by someone people simply don`t want to listen and come up with the skill argument. (no offense just what I read over and over again) Over and out of this thread.
 
I used to deposit 1k USD a week ... gained quite high skills but the game kept screwing me ... so I stopped depositing. Could have balanced the engine/tactics of the game to keep depositors/skilled players like me interested.

I am a big gambler and I understand the logic of 'you cant always win' but the flip side of the coin is 'you cant always lose' ... which unfortunately wasn't the case for EU .... so I started investing my money into online casinos with 98% RTP and am happy to win once in 6 months .... but I still do more often ... and they are much higher than the ATHs here lol :).

Such a shame 'coz I really liked this game and was happy to keep depositing if it gave me some thrill .... but after a losing streak for 2+ years ... you loose interest.

... and I see there are still players that keep regurgitating the same BS - "Play in your level'... "Use Eco Guns' ... 'Dont spend what you cant afford" .... BLA BLA BLA .... been there done that ... all hogwash ... might work for them (NOW) that's why they are preaching ... I did too.

If no one is depositing the economy wont always be 'Paradise'. Main point of every economy is that the investors want returns on their investment ... it will help MA to realize that people that DO have money to invest aren't stupid, that's why they have the money lol ... Just saying.
 
I used to deposit 1k USD a week ... gained quite high skills but the game kept screwing me ... so I stopped depositing. Could have balanced the engine/tactics of the game to keep depositors/skilled players like me interested.

I am a big gambler and I understand the logic of 'you cant always win' but the flip side of the coin is 'you cant always lose' ... which unfortunately wasn't the case for EU .... so I started investing my money into online casinos with 98% RTP and am happy to win once in 6 months .... but I still do more often ... and they are much higher than the ATHs here lol :).
problem is you did not investing you did gambling, if I can expect 101 % % return on the long run I may call it investing but you did this:

Favorite Item: OreAmp OA-101 Light (L)
Highest Loot: 10 145 PED
Total Loot: 894 755 PE

I still profit in entropia, not much ofc, not worth my time ofc, but I decided I am happier with winning 50 $ a month with low-scale markup collecting then with loosing 500 $ a month with big turnover hunting/crafting
 
problem is you did not investing you did gambling, if I can expect 101 % % return on the long run I may call it investing but you did this:

Favorite Item: OreAmp OA-101 Light (L)
Highest Loot: 10 145 PED
Total Loot: 894 755 PE

I still profit in entropia, not much ofc, not worth my time ofc, but I decided I am happier with winning 50 $ a month with low-scale markup collecting then with loosing 500 $ a month with big turnover hunting/crafting


LMAO! so you pulled a few stats out of PE which shows the stats for my 'Favourite' item that I used to make and you know it all now LOL ... I also hunted with no returns and Mined with little returns ... Just because you have a favorite red shirt doesn't mean you only wear that shirt everyday ....

I know I am a gambler 'I mentioned it' ... so that doesn't mean I don't want return for my investment ... have you EVER invested in the stock market?? ... what is your point?

Good to know you are making $50 a month that makes you happy ... it doesn't me ... I come here for the thrills ... if I had to Grind to make money, I think I can make $50 working IRL quite easily lol

So, by yours (and some others logic) people like me are 'stupid' that deposit(ed) and people that play eco are 'smart' . So, why don't you all adapt playing 'smart' and see how long the money lasts if everyone did the same.

Wonder why it's going downhill ...
 
LMAO! so you pulled a few stats out of PE which shows the stats for my 'Favourite' item that I used to make and you know it all now LOL
I dont know much, but it shows why you loose :laugh:

Good to know you are making $50 a month that makes you happy ... it doesn't me ... I come here for the thrills ... if I had to Grind to make money, I think I can make $50 working IRL quite easily lol
I make usually more then 50 $ but to make 550 $ more then loosing 500 was a good decision ;)...50 $ dosnt make me happy at all - I dont need them, but profiting when 90 % loosing makes me feel a bit like a winner ( I know I still loose because my time is worth more :laugh:)


So, by yours (and some others logic) people like me are 'stupid' that deposit(ed) and people that play eco are 'smart' . So, why don't you all adapt playing 'smart' and see how long the money lasts if everyone did the same.

Wonder why it's going downhill ...
lol never ever all people will do the same ;)...but thx for you money
 
I dont know much, but it shows why you loose :laugh:

:scratch2: You 'don't know much' ... but you know why I loose? lol

lol never ever all people will do the same ;)...but thx for you money

:wise: This is the exact reason why depositors get pissed off and leave (the contradictions in your statement) ... and why it is going downhill like I mentioned. Good luck drawing the $50 in a few years time lol

BTW, good to see you edited your post after I replied to your to match my logic haha!
 
:scratch2: You 'don't know much' ... but you know why I loose? lol
yes, to easy to see


:wise: This is the exact reason why depositors get pissed off and leave (the contradictions in your statement) ... and why it is going downhill like I mentioned. Good luck drawing the $50 in a few years time lol
I did quite a bit of withdrawing in the past I am OK with that
 
Play to the size of your ped card not to the size of your skills. Do not expect the world to give you something. Play to beat other players not MA.
 
Well I also play 10 years + and I´m still here. The point that you ask for is to step down a bit, build up the pedcard again and then go on with bigger stuff, no matter if its hunting, mining or crafting. If you can`t survive bad lootperiods its not the games fault but the players... It simply doesn`t matter how many skillpoints you have. Sometimes you have to get over your ego and step down. But every time a thread like this is brought up by someone people simply don`t want to listen and come up with the skill argument. (no offense just what I read over and over again) Over and out of this thread.

And when stepping down to lower mobs still doesn't rebuild the PED card...? Fine, you can argue against the skill comments, but what about the investment argument? What's the point in having [buying] gear worth thousands, or 10s of thousands of USD, to move up if you have to drop back down to mobs that require zero gear investment? Mobs that cost 10, 20, 30, 40, 50+ PED per kill (outside the gear and time investment required) should never return 10% in ANY single loot.
 
And when stepping down to lower mobs still doesn't rebuild the PED card...? Fine, you can argue against the skill comments, but what about the investment argument? What's the point in having [buying] gear worth thousands, or 10s of thousands of USD, to move up if you have to drop back down to mobs that require zero gear investment? Mobs that cost 10, 20, 30, 40, 50+ PED per kill (outside the gear and time investment required) should never return 10% in ANY single loot.

:handgun:BOOOM!!! Perfectly put!!!!

:duh: It's so hard to explain to people who just want to drain the game and don't care if it dies as long as they can get their 2 peds. On the other hand THEY are the ones that act as if they love the game but actually killing it.
 
And when stepping down to lower mobs still doesn't rebuild the PED card...? Fine, you can argue against the skill comments, but what about the investment argument? What's the point in having [buying] gear worth thousands, or 10s of thousands of USD, to move up if you have to drop back down to mobs that require zero gear investment? Mobs that cost 10, 20, 30, 40, 50+ PED per kill (outside the gear and time investment required) should never return 10% in ANY single loot.


Don't invest in gear you can't afford to cycle for long periods of time to get through bad periods. That is a bad investment. Not the games fault.
 
Don't invest in gear you can't afford to cycle for long periods of time to get through bad periods. That is a bad investment. Not the games fault.

Did you ever think that people who invest in high-end gear started with large PED cards to cycle through? I personally, and several of my hunting buddies, have had over 100k PED on our cards at times and within a week find ourselves 10s of thousands of PEDs short of that after huge cycles and "proper" hunting (not being wasteful or reckless).

If that sort of PED card isn't a proper amount to start with, then what is?

Also, most of the people I've known through the years, didn't just up and purchase an entire uber gear set in one go. It's taken years of wheeling and dealing to get to where we wanted to be. I've personally scaled back and downgraded a bit, but others have continued to build their gear up.

This isn't as if someone depo'ed 100K PED and spent 99k PED on gear, leaving 1k PED for ammo. A certain soc mate of mine, who has recently expressed interest in selling his uber gear on here, has a bottomless PED card - but it just goes down and down and down.

As I said several pages back, the game used to be very affordable for the average Joe. The best gear in game costed a fraction of what it does now, and loot was always stable. That is what I found to be fun about PE. But EU/ARK/FPC/whatever is not fun. It's a blackhole for PED and a grind never before seen.
 
Idk, when I hunt, even for weeks straight.. I seem to come out 92-95% tt return, and I can even profit if I get some guns/esi. Then again I don't hunt mobs over 1k health. Anything more than 3 ped to kill is just too risky for my sub-10k ped card

I think grinding the same mob for 3-5k kills helps a lot too, if you don't have that kind of ped then don't hunt that mob.
 
Did you ever think that people who invest in high-end gear started with large PED cards to cycle through? I personally, and several of my hunting buddies, have had over 100k PED on our cards at times and within a week find ourselves 10s of thousands of PEDs short of that after huge cycles and "proper" hunting (not being wasteful or reckless).

If that sort of PED card isn't a proper amount to start with, then what is?

Also, most of the people I've known through the years, didn't just up and purchase an entire uber gear set in one go. It's taken years of wheeling and dealing to get to where we wanted to be. I've personally scaled back and downgraded a bit, but others have continued to build their gear up.

This isn't as if someone depo'ed 100K PED and spent 99k PED on gear, leaving 1k PED for ammo. A certain soc mate of mine, who has recently expressed interest in selling his uber gear on here, has a bottomless PED card - but it just goes down and down and down.

As I said several pages back, the game used to be very affordable for the average Joe. The best gear in game costed a fraction of what it does now, and loot was always stable. That is what I found to be fun about PE. But EU/ARK/FPC/whatever is not fun. It's a blackhole for PED and a grind never before seen.


Totally agree with this.
Loot return , in quality and quantity, reached for me an inacceptable point for my bank account. After 8 years playing, depositing, i have nothing of any value in my storage. And it's worse VU after VU. Useless to continue.
I dont even speak of the poor "service" offered with that cost of play.
Leaving EU to the fanboys.
 
Yeah this is how it works. 24 runs with loss is not considered "long term". I've played on and off since 2003. I have had periods of time when I did nothing but profit, every run for like 2 months. Then it all changes and I do another 2 months with nothing but loss every run. "It's dynamic" is all that I can say.

My best tip is that if anything goes bad, change what you are doing. If things go good, Don't change what you are doing. This simple rule has saved me many many times.
 
I think grinding the same mob for 3-5k kills helps a lot too, if you don't have that kind of ped then don't hunt that mob.

But thanks to the mission chains that's what many people are doing.
 
Sad to say it but the days of Grinding for days weeks on end on a mob and always turning profits is gone in the game. The game works in cycles and changes constantly from day to day or few days to few days you have to move around a lot target mobs others target to follow the waves. Same with mining it seems, you have to be very specific to what your going for nowadays and figure out where to go, randomness and good returns most of the time is not a common thing anymore.

Learn to use entropia life to find the mobs being cycled on and locating which have dumped all their loot on a big hit so you can avoid them for awhile. Seems once a big hit happens on a mob or in a spot mining things dry up and takes awhile to get that luck chance back. Think Slot Machine you never sit on a machine that just hit a jackpot and expect to get good return from it for awhile.

If you can't find something you like to hunt or place to mine, change down to small eco rigs and work on small missions, not as exciting but a way to not dump PED into a loosing endevour by grinding a loosing situation to death.

Also don't like that do like I do play another game until you like what your seeing and come back for stints on special occasions to take advantage of events. Eventually EU will wake up and figure more people are playing other games then theirs and maybe fix the bullshit they designed. I also organize large society hunts which helps with the solo hunting losses a bit and adds some fun to the game with socializing.
 
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