Sunsout Gunsout
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Over the past 6 months I have noticed something that I am 100% confident now is occurring at shared loot.
Before any of you chime in and say that "well I looted one, so its fine" I want you to know that when I first started noticing this months ago, I have been watching it extremely closely. My sample size dwarfs yours, and I included input from a dozen more players my level. You CANNOT look at this subjectively, you will not see it. But now, I am confident to almost a virtual 100% certainty that it is happening.
First, items work fine, and are distributed fairly, with high dps obviously getting more regular items like guns and such than low dps. That works fine, and that is how it should be. This is not about that...this is about ESI.
ESI is distributed 100% randomly to avatars, regardless of DPS.
It always seemed to me like that in the past. The only large esi I ever looted was a 888 tt ESI from a hydra looted with a noob gun 5 years ago at solfais. It seems like that to 99% of the high level players I talked to since then...hence the adage oft repeated "Everyone knows if you want an big ESI, shoot shared mobs with a noob gun"
Over the past 6 months I have been watching very closely... in fact, the last 24 large ESI (300-1250 tt) that I have seen drop (witnessed myself) on large shared mobs ALL went to low-level guns occasionally to some mid-levels too. When adding all the info from others I only have one possibility. The ESI are being distributed randomly, and NOT based on damage.
Those 24 times above, between me and one of two other high dps avatars, we accounted for 60% of the total dps to the mobs. NONE of those times did we receive and ESI. The average group size was 9 avatars. IF it was distributed by DPS, the ESI would have dropped to one of us at least once by now, and when I add to this the hundreds of other huge ESI looting occurrences that I have discussed with others that have occurred in the last 6 months, I am 100% confident that something is fucked up.
The only explanation is that is occurring randomly.
I would even go so far as to think it very likely that some parameter goes even farther in that it increases the chance of a low level avatar getting the ESI to a level higher than pure randomness would allow. But that is an argument I can't prove...although I think it may be occurring too.
Anyway, I know that ESI is NOT based on dps anymore like MA stated. It is based on pure randomness, with each avatar present having an equal chance. I know many of you will say, "just do less DPS, Taco." DONT. Most of the large shared that I kill CANNOT be killed if me and a friend or two aren't doing 100+ dps and wearing our best armor.
Also, I know that I don't HAVE to shoot shared, so don't tell me that either. I am posting this because I just want the damn loot to work fairly. YES, many of you who have figured this out already will say that it's fine, because you LOVE having a greater chance to loot an ESI than your DPS should allow. However, I am saying that the days of me shooting shared are over until MA addresses this issue. The easiest visible solution will be not dropping 1250 ped ESI's to one person, if the ESI is going to drop, split it up based on damage!. Just keeping them high tt and changing it to be based on DPS will take months for us to notice. I won't be shooting most of the shared I currently shoot until I know for a FACT that the ESI drops based on DPS, so I ask MA to either issue a statement stating that it is fixed, or prove it to us by with loot by letting the system split up huge ESI based on DPS.
Most mobs NEED big dps guns there to be killed. If we all start using tt guns, MA is going to lose, because no one will be killing shared, especially on other planets because there aren't enough people.
Thank you for your time. Please post constructively. I know many of you will just love the chance to contradict me with the fact that you got a big esi when using high DPS one time...or simply because you hate me...all I ask is that you look at in OBJECTIVELY, and not subjectively.
Before any of you chime in and say that "well I looted one, so its fine" I want you to know that when I first started noticing this months ago, I have been watching it extremely closely. My sample size dwarfs yours, and I included input from a dozen more players my level. You CANNOT look at this subjectively, you will not see it. But now, I am confident to almost a virtual 100% certainty that it is happening.
First, items work fine, and are distributed fairly, with high dps obviously getting more regular items like guns and such than low dps. That works fine, and that is how it should be. This is not about that...this is about ESI.
ESI is distributed 100% randomly to avatars, regardless of DPS.
It always seemed to me like that in the past. The only large esi I ever looted was a 888 tt ESI from a hydra looted with a noob gun 5 years ago at solfais. It seems like that to 99% of the high level players I talked to since then...hence the adage oft repeated "Everyone knows if you want an big ESI, shoot shared mobs with a noob gun"
Over the past 6 months I have been watching very closely... in fact, the last 24 large ESI (300-1250 tt) that I have seen drop (witnessed myself) on large shared mobs ALL went to low-level guns occasionally to some mid-levels too. When adding all the info from others I only have one possibility. The ESI are being distributed randomly, and NOT based on damage.
Those 24 times above, between me and one of two other high dps avatars, we accounted for 60% of the total dps to the mobs. NONE of those times did we receive and ESI. The average group size was 9 avatars. IF it was distributed by DPS, the ESI would have dropped to one of us at least once by now, and when I add to this the hundreds of other huge ESI looting occurrences that I have discussed with others that have occurred in the last 6 months, I am 100% confident that something is fucked up.
The only explanation is that is occurring randomly.
I would even go so far as to think it very likely that some parameter goes even farther in that it increases the chance of a low level avatar getting the ESI to a level higher than pure randomness would allow. But that is an argument I can't prove...although I think it may be occurring too.
Anyway, I know that ESI is NOT based on dps anymore like MA stated. It is based on pure randomness, with each avatar present having an equal chance. I know many of you will say, "just do less DPS, Taco." DONT. Most of the large shared that I kill CANNOT be killed if me and a friend or two aren't doing 100+ dps and wearing our best armor.
Also, I know that I don't HAVE to shoot shared, so don't tell me that either. I am posting this because I just want the damn loot to work fairly. YES, many of you who have figured this out already will say that it's fine, because you LOVE having a greater chance to loot an ESI than your DPS should allow. However, I am saying that the days of me shooting shared are over until MA addresses this issue. The easiest visible solution will be not dropping 1250 ped ESI's to one person, if the ESI is going to drop, split it up based on damage!. Just keeping them high tt and changing it to be based on DPS will take months for us to notice. I won't be shooting most of the shared I currently shoot until I know for a FACT that the ESI drops based on DPS, so I ask MA to either issue a statement stating that it is fixed, or prove it to us by with loot by letting the system split up huge ESI based on DPS.
Most mobs NEED big dps guns there to be killed. If we all start using tt guns, MA is going to lose, because no one will be killing shared, especially on other planets because there aren't enough people.
Thank you for your time. Please post constructively. I know many of you will just love the chance to contradict me with the fact that you got a big esi when using high DPS one time...or simply because you hate me...all I ask is that you look at in OBJECTIVELY, and not subjectively.
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