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Using Unfair Advantage @ Eomons

So, to keep things in perspective

1. Please pass on the new form of hunting to everyone that you know for there own health and wealth.
2. If you see me with 50 eomons on the field with 5% or so hp, please do not blame me :) Blame the game, blame all the pro posters here, blame MA and everything else but me because i am being smart, not greedy :D


Cheers :)
 
Nah, 50 would be greedy and then you would be affecting the spawn and we would drag all your mobs into pvp and wait for you. :silly2:
 
Interesting responses so far. Here is my take:
I think it is some bullshit - but I agree with Star --- hate the game not the player in this instance. The people doing it are asshats no doubt, but I can't blame them totally. MA is sloppy and lazy as hell anymore - and the loot returns and lag is total crap. Sometimes you gotta do some drastic stuff just to survive.

I also think MA can and should fix this--- when did these loot waves start happening anyway? Ever since rare item hofs I guess? (Feffox cave for example)

I wouldn't call it an exploit, but it borders on gaining an unfair advantage. What it does do is make some area or aspect of the game unacceptable - which is against the EUATU. They are preventing mobs from re spawning and you from hunting them basically. Sure there are plenty more to kill... but still.

What I would do really is:
1. Take a hit and kill the mobs - you help them with some damage but foils their plan
2. Pull out a Pitbull - aggro them and drive them to a turret or something.
3. Maybe get a team to out damage them. Follow them around and shoot any mob they start to shoot. Lotta work though.

People being dildos? MA won't do shit about it? I say do it right back to them. Is it right? No - I think it's unethical but sometimes anger just takes over.

Thanks for posting and making us aware. We can all do what we wish about these players. I say they can just take their ELM and shove them.
 
Xen said:
Nah, 50 would be greedy and then you would be affecting the spawn and we would drag all your mobs into pvp and wait for you. :silly2:
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You have just given me an IDEA :evilking:
 
Divinity said:
So, to keep things in perspective

1. Please pass on the new form of hunting to everyone that you know for there own health and wealth.
2. If you see me with 50 eomons on the field with 5% or so hp, please do not blame me :) Blame the game, blame all the pro posters here, blame MA and everything else but me because i am being smart, not greedy :D


Cheers :)
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I would not blame you - I would be like "look at this guy - wow he sucks" but I wouldn't blame you - if that makes any sense. I'm not trying to do it- and if you feel it's a great idea to do it - whatever, but I can still not like seeing it or being near it. I don't think you are being greedy either. Just think though if everyone did this - it would be a mess out there. Whatever I guess - enjoy your elm but make sure u sell them to me cheap!!!!!!!!!!!!! don't be greedy right?!!! :laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
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DavinFelth said:
I would not blame you - I would be like "look at this guy - wow he sucks" but I wouldn't blame you - if that makes any sense. I'm not trying to do it- and if you feel it's a great idea to do it - whatever, but I can still not like seeing it or being near it. I don't think you are being greedy either. Just think though if everyone did this - it would be a mess out there. Whatever I guess - enjoy your elm but make sure u sell them to me cheap!!!!!!!!!!!!! don't be greedy right?!!! :laugh::laugh::laugh:
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Was kidding buds but thats not me. Personally, I don't have patience or time to do it either. But, I sure hope plenty of people do it so as to not make it worth doing for anyone :)


I like Xen's Idea though, drag to pvp and wait.. :evilking:
 
Well the eomon youngs entered pvp by ashi. That might make it a bit more fun...

As far as loot waves go, it is just another BS problem caused by MA's laziness.

Some of you call the OP crybaby...you are [wrong].

Bringing attention to problems with the game is NOT crying...it is done so MA and all players see it, and so the unfair advantage of a few is lessened until MA figures out some fix. Because anyone with half a brain can see that this is NOT a good way to distribute loot.

You can always tell in these type of threads who the ones are that would exploit the shit out of anything they could.

Thank you for post, OP...I have a lot of time the next few weeks and a lot of ped to spend finishing other peoples mobs off for them.
 
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Lot of players using it in different ways and they complain about here also.... Many players " prepare " their mobs before an event starts on a LA to get few more kills ( loot ) when event officially starts.
I find it terriblly poor from a guy like Divinity to publicly harras a player, threaten him to KS his mobs whenever he will go hunting... let the people who found out how to milk you, milk you. That's as simple as that. Entropia is all about that, being smarter than the mass.
All you ubers are just grumpy kids that get mad when they don't have the privilege / advantage upon everyone else.
Cheers for the guy who do it, you figured out how loot mechanics works and play smart enought to maximise your profit ( unlike all those mindless grinders that expect to have a 90% return if they grind 24/7 )don't listen to all those hatters.
 
Small City Life said:
Lot of players using it in different ways and they complain about here also.... Many players " prepare " their mobs before an event starts on a LA to get few more kills ( loot ) when event officially starts.
I find it terriblly poor from a guy like Divinity to publicly harras a player, threaten him to KS his mobs whenever he will go hunting... let the people who found out how to milk you, milk you. That's as simple as that. Entropia is all about that, being smarter than the mass.
All you ubers are just grumpy kids that get mad when they don't have the privilege / advantage upon everyone else.
Cheers for the guy who do it, you figured out how loot mechanics works and play smart enought to maximise your profit ( unlike all those mindless grinders that expect to have a 90% return if they grind 24/7 )don't listen to all those hatters.
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You are wrong, because if EVERYONE DID IT, there would be no advantage, the guns would be tt food, there would be no loot in the pools, no one hunting anywhere anymore except on obvious timers, and the game would die, and we would have to go back to work at mcdonalds, and our families will be ashamed of us more than they already are.

Ma is costing themselves tons on money by not making truly random loot. Period.

MA needs to fix it.
 
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Sunsout Gunsout said:
As far as loot waves go, it is just another BS problem caused by MA's laziness.

Bringing attention to problems with the game is NOT crying...it is done so MA and all players see it, and so the unfair advantage of a few is lessened until MA figures out some fix. Because anyone with half a brain can see that this is NOT a good way to distribute loot.

You can always tell in these type of threads who the ones are that would exploit the shit out of anything they could.

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Well said --- + rep but I must spread some first :)
 
I Think this looks simular to the mining when monria opened up, just then it was more clear that something was off, and that the results then was boosted because of the "dual area" goof-up.

Those doing the mining (and gotten quadruple hits) wasn't "punished", on the other hand the area was closed-off until a fix was made.

As long as there are enough mobs, dragging off a few mobs isn't a glitch, and neither is "pre-damaging" ("pre-damaging" is used in some events). As I see it though, it was clearly done to indirectly manipulate the loot system. Pre-damaging of mobs, by itself, doesn't give any game mechanic advantages, and in some events it's explicitly allowed.

Before this thread, I don't Think that everyone knew how the loot dropped from eomons. Normal people with irl lives from time to time run out of PEDs and ammo, or the IRL time isn't enough, so it's not even certain that normal players would notice the timer. When I hunted eomons last week, I had a fapper for one hour, and after that we both planned to stop (me because well though I got a bigger global in advance I had started to runt out of ammo and my fapper had Another customer waiting). During that hour, I got a nice global in the end, I got a few blood samples A-C, but I don't remember any ELM weapon.

So, to sum ut up, not everyone out there are aware of the ELM items drop Waves.

My theory in item drops is basically, the nice items go in the first one-two hours of the event, Everything after that requires that MA "pushes the button". With a special case for mayhems that collect Components: Those Components recycle when people who have been doing instances have reuturned them to TT/NPC (which obviously causes a wave).
 
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Sunsout Gunsout said:
Well the eomon youngs entered pvp by ashi. That might make it a bit more fun...

As far as loot waves go, it is just another BS problem caused by MA's laziness.

Some of you call the OP crybaby...you are fucking idiots.

Bringing attention to problems with the game is NOT crying...it is done so MA and all players see it, and so the unfair advantage of a few is lessened until MA figures out some fix. Because anyone with half a brain can see that this is NOT a good way to distribute loot.

You can always tell in these type of threads who the ones are that would exploit the shit out of anything they could.

Thank you for post, OP...I have a lot of time the next few weeks and a lot of ped to spend finishing other peoples mobs off for them.
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+Rep will be awarded in the future when i can give it to u again.

Small City Life said:
Lot of players using it in different ways and they complain about here also.... Many players " prepare " their mobs before an event starts on a LA to get few more kills ( loot ) when event officially starts.
I find it terriblly poor from a guy like Divinity to publicly harras a player, threaten him to KS his mobs whenever he will go hunting... let the people who found out how to milk you, milk you. That's as simple as that. Entropia is all about that, being smarter than the mass.
All you ubers are just grumpy kids that get mad when they don't have the privilege / advantage upon everyone else.
Cheers for the guy who do it, you figured out how loot mechanics works and play smart enought to maximise your profit ( unlike all those mindless grinders that expect to have a 90% return if they grind 24/7 )don't listen to all those hatters.
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I threatened the guy in local chat despite him being on my friends list. Do you know why?? Because it was important to make a public show of disaproval for the action and for people to know whats happening. Did i KS any of his mobs. Not even one :).

UBER is not a grumpy kid but a very user friendly mobile app i use to call a cab.

Anyone who considers himself smart for playing a game and making a few $'s is a f@cking moron IMO ( no offense meant to anyone). The real smart people are working irl and making millions of $'s a year , not worrying about how to save $10 in a hunt or make a couple grands a year playing a game.

I wish you all the best in your endeavours in game. :)
 
Thx for sharing the info m8 :) :wtg:
 
Sunsout Gunsout said:
You are an idiot, because if EVERYONE DID IT, there would be no advantage, the guns would be tt food, there would be no loot in the pools, no one hunting anywhere anymore except on obvious timers, and the game would die, and you would have to go back to work at mcdonalds, and your family will be ashamed of you more than they already are.

Ma is costing themselves tons on money by not making truly random loot. Period.

MA needs to fix it, and you need to eat less paint chips.
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Well said on both posts but remember here this guy is a new player and really don't understand how EU works yet. So give him a little slack :)
 
OZtwo said:
Well said on both posts but remember here this guy is a new player and really don't understand how EU works yet. So give him a little slack :)
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Lol new player my ass...

Yes, I did get your sarcasm :)
 
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Sorry to say these days this game has just turned into the best way to exploit it to make the most money. Kind of why so many like to be a pirate these days. Best loot in game is not from the mobs but from others' own deposited money in game. Funniest thing about all this is how far people will debate over it. Even more when at the odd times MA does do something about and ban them they come back crying about them doing nothing... Kind of like in RL really when they drop something on the floor to pick it up later and then tell the judge that they didn't steal anything due to the fact they found it on the ground....
 
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OZtwo said:
Well said on both posts but remember here this guy is a new player and really don't understand how EU works yet. So give him a little slack :)
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You thought "you would have to go back to work at mcdonalds, and your family will be ashamed of you more than they already are." was a good post? I don't think bringing a persons family into an argument about a video game good in any way shape or form.
 
sachi.mk2 said:
You thought "you would have to go back to work at mcdonalds, and your family will be ashamed of you more than they already are." was a good post? I don't think bringing a persons family into an argument about a video game good in any way shape or form.
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It was a hypothetical showing the effect of having everyone in game do the same shit with timing loots. I am sure the owner of the alt account that was created to troll with his message has a fine job and a wonderful family.

Edit: There I fixed it to capture the true intention and to be a bit less mean.
 
Sunsout Gunsout said:
You are an idiot, because if EVERYONE DID IT, there would be no advantage, the guns would be tt food, there would be no loot in the pools, no one hunting anywhere anymore except on obvious timers, and the game would die, and you would have to go back to work at mcdonalds, and your family will be ashamed of you more than they already are.

Ma is costing themselves tons on money by not making truly random loot. Period.

MA needs to fix it, and you need to eat less paint chips.
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If it was random it would be ILLEGAL in most country where the game is running up. As simple as that. To be allowed there must be a way to outperform other participants.

Also, i don't make money here in EU, i started playing a few months ago CASUALLY, expecting nothing from the game and i still don't. Most of people in here are just gambling addicts that like playing video games, nothing else in my point of view.
You call me an idiot but i simply state the truth, and truth can be hard to ear sometimes.. Especially when you are one of the fool that pays all the smart annuitants that understood how to make money from you.


Divinity said:
+Rep will be awarded in the future when i can give it to u again.



I threatened the guy in local chat despite him being on my friends list. Do you know why?? Because it was important to make a public show of disaproval for the action and for people to know whats happening. Did i KS any of his mobs. Not even one :).

UBER is not a grumpy kid but a very user friendly mobile app i use to call a cab.

Anyone who considers himself smart for playing a game and making a few $'s is a f@cking moron IMO ( no offense meant to anyone). The real smart people are working irl and making millions of $'s a year , not worrying about how to save $10 in a hunt or make a couple grands a year playing a game.

I wish you all the best in your endeavours in game. :)
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From your point of view, i'am sure you are 100% right but it's far from reality ;) You say that someone who profit by playing a game is a morron, where the guy who profit think you all guys are morrons. some people in here made decent money from pixels, bought a house from it ( Star merucury or whoever she is ). I think that even if you are making decent money IRL, entropia is a platform where the competiton for profit between players is ferocious and very challenging. People who profit on regular basis are just smarter than the mass and they are right to exploit their strenghts... Even if that's only in a video game :)
 
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sachi.mk2 said:
You thought "you would have to go back to work at mcdonalds, and your family will be ashamed of you more than they already are." was a good post? I don't think bringing a persons family into an argument about a video game good in any way shape or form.
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Ooops my bad there..no that isn't cool at all..over read that in yes my quote. Sorry.
 
To get back to the OP. I personally don't think anything is fair when it comes to hunting, everyone hunts in a way which will bring the best advantage to themselves.
 
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are we still debating whether this is an exploit or not? And whether it is fair or not?

Let's review a basic checklist:

Is the action directly harming tt returns of other players (in ped amount)? NO
Is the action taking advantage of the dynamic loot system and gaining an unfair advantage over the house? NO
Is the action violation the EULA? NO

I'm guessing this isn't an exploit then...

Now onto fairness....
Does every player in EU have the right to the same returns and loot as everyone else? Regardless of skill or tactics?
Does EU possess elements of socialism in it's dynamic loot system and game economy...

Definitely not...
This game is what you make of it.. Everyone is getting on the ass of a handful of players for taking advantage of an economic opportunity, clearly not in violation of any rules. The community frowns up it because some other players can't/aren't doing the same thing.

MA created the loot system, they decided Eomon should be in waves, the same way they decide what is in loot and which mined resources are in each area of the game. It's part of the system.. It's not a fuck up, it's probably not even unintentional, it's the way the game is.

So often players bitch about not being able to gain an advantage in this game, then once one is discovered you people get on the ass of those doing the said action, therefore losing the opportunity to stretch players' ped cards further. If you want to lose then by all means keep advocating for changes which diminish the amount of dynamic opportunities that can be presented to you..

Meanwhile I'll be over here mining and staying out of the shitstorm hunters have caused themselves.
 
Well i guess they can use that knoledge they gathered about lootwaves no exploit there i guess. But using vtol to gather mobs till 5% is like vtol hunting its not ment to use that way. U can use to get away from ninja spawns or mining but not to do vtol hunting like they are doing at the moment.
 
XLT said:
Well i guess they can use that knoledge they gathered about lootwaves no exploit there i guess. But using vtol to gather mobs till 5% is like vtol hunting its not ment to use that way. U can use to get away from ninja spawns or mining but not to do vtol hunting like they are doing at the moment.
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As long as they're still taking some sort of decay I doubt MA will do anything.. And even then they'll still do nothing, because banning players means a loss in revenue.. Look at monria, no one was banned, at all.. Despite it being a clear exploit.
 
Rocket192 said:
As long as they're still taking some sort of decay I doubt MA will do anything.. And even then they'll still do nothing, because banning players means a loss in revenue.. Look at monria, no one was banned, at all.. Despite it being a clear exploit.
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Not talking about that talking about Vtol exploit though that was not allowed
 
Rocket192 said:
As long as they're still taking some sort of decay I doubt MA will do anything.. And even then they'll still do nothing, because banning players means a loss in revenue.. Look at monria, no one was banned, at all.. Despite it being a clear exploit.
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the wave spawn and what happened at monria is MA's fault
 
XLT said:
Not talking about that talking about Vtol exploit though that was not allowed
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I was implying MA lacks a spine and doesn't like to enforce their own rules and punishments for breaking rules.
 
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