Question: Thought on using a UL level 100 weapon with less skills?

Do I recommend to others to use Level 100 guns?


Well, no, not usually.

I'm level 79 Laser Sniper, and with a VU a few years back that changed me from a Hit Ability 7.9 to my current 8.7. This was a good move, and yes, I'm biased.

I'm happy to be 87% efficient and not have to constantly check auction and hope there is something there to buy. Which if you log in at the weekends or during events can be a frustrating process.

Once you have Commando, and you dont have an unlimited SIB gun, you can consider L100 guns, you will miss a couple times more, you wont do full damage and be a few metres off full range but, what the hell.....


Go for it!

I wouldn't recommend it if you are going for highest possible tt return but I still do it myself from time to time. Using a lvl100 tagger but I don't think that matters much since it's just for tagging.

minim said:

I wouldn't recommend it if you are going for highest possible tt return but I still do it myself from time to time. Using a lvl100 tagger but I don't think that matters much since it's just for tagging.

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The thing is that nobody (?) really knows how it works.
Some claim that system 'compensate' for using non-effective gear.

IIRC highest ATH ingame was by noobish guy (lvl ~40 at the time, according to my sources) using ul DOA.

IMO:
If you going to eco - you can only use UL SIB and kill mobs without regen (this is important!)
If you going to ATH - you can use any weapon (including also UL non-SIB) and kill mobs with high regeneration. On high regen mobs important is only time to kill (your dps), and decreasing additional fees (like FAP and Armor decay).

Gewitter said:

IMO:
If you going to eco - you can only use UL SIB and kill mobs without regen (this is important!)
If you going to ATH - you can use any weapon (including also UL non-SIB) and kill mobs with high regeneration. On high regen mobs important is only time to kill, and decreasing additional fees (like FAP and Armor decay).

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DPS is fun, but need some levels to really be able to use the fat UL weapons with decent DPS.

I was looking buy some nice UL non-sib just for DPS when I had my Vincent DPS, but turned out that buffed up and with damage enhancers I was around 120 DPS already, so not a single reasonably priced non-sib would give me more DPS.

The entropedia tools are great to figure things like these out, just enter your levels and sort by DPS. Don't forget the enhancers.

I wish they would have a "Optimal dps amp"-selection, since different weapons require different amps.

San said:

Yet another bit I was not aware of, are skill gains related to decay, specifically? With the Maddox, decay:ammo is a whopping 1:2, does that mean I would actually blast through the ranks with it? I haven't shot it enough to notice, should try once more and pay attention.

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The more you burn the more you gain, I do much better with skillgains on ul Slug than I do with modmerc and my skill levels are way lower on laser handgun. I'm no number cruncher tho, theres smarter guys here that can be more specific.

cc. said:

The more you burn the more you gain, I do much better with skillgains on ul Slug than I do with modmerc and my skill levels are way lower on laser handgun. I'm no number cruncher tho, theres smarter guys here that can be more specific.

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I think it's roughly 1ped skill/1k spent on most mobs but there is a slight difference on some mobs like kreltin/aurli and it's also better to kill a lot of small stuff because of skill bonus. I didn't notice that any gun gained me more skills than others but can't say that I measured it scientifically ^^

minim said:

I think it's roughly 1ped skill/1k spent on most mobs but there is a slight difference on some mobs like kreltin/aurli and it's also better to kill a lot of small stuff because of skill bonus. I didn't notice that any gun gained me more skills than others but can't say that I measured it scientifically ^^

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I tested it when my dps/dpp was roughly the same on the hl15 & i287.. there is a diffrence both in guns & mobs you hunt..
did my testing on aurli & segs with both guns

minim said:

I think it's roughly 1ped skill/1k spent on most mobs but there is a slight difference on some mobs like kreltin/aurli and it's also better to kill a lot of small stuff because of skill bonus. I didn't notice that any gun gained me more skills than others but can't say that I measured it scientifically ^^

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Both me and 5$ tracked about 1-1.5%. When I cycled 100k, I'd get about 1000-1500 ped tt of skills only counting the ones contributing to laser hit and damage. I was using maxed sib, 5$ got similar skillgains with unmaxed non sib.

Just wanted to point something out.

The change in HA/CHA improved our eco on unmaxed weapons very little. This is because the damage interval was never changed, and guess what the damage interval has a bigger impact on eco than everything else combined.

So be careful and do your numbers, or dont... but then don't complain aboud bad/volatile returns pls

TL;DR Use maxed always. Simple.

Some years ago the markup on L-weapons in general was a lot higher, so then maybe it would have been "okey" to use UL weapons you even if you was under Lv80. But today they prices are often so low on L-weapons. The benefit with UL is that you can start building up the tier-level, if you like that.

billairboy said:

Some years ago the markup on L-weapons in general was a lot higher, so then maybe it would have been "okey" to use UL weapons you even if you was under Lv80. But today they prices are often so low on L-weapons. The benefit with UL is that you can start building up the tier-level, if you like that.

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I was Lucky enough to loot the last UL HL15 + an R150
I sold the R150 & bought an i287 with that
then when dpp was about the same, I did my tests

I do and I do it a lot. Imo, it's all about finding out what works with what, and when.
Every interaction is linear in cost, no matter if it is a low damage, high damage or a target evade.
Damage, or target evade, and HP are just tools to controll amount of interactions.
No matter what the numbers are on the weapon, when you find a combination that works, that
means you have found a setup that do right amount of interactions with right values per interaction.

I have a bunch of Survival Enblade 10, and I'm far from being "efficient" when we look at skills and pro stand.
These works quite well on a specific mob at the right time, but can also be horrible if I don't find out when
to hunt them, so imo, there are more parts in the equation that are important than just the number on the
weapon.

I know someone will say I'm wrong, but I don't care. Use reverse engineering and see if you find a
"theory" that fits any of the excisting theories out there...

Sold all my uL old style melee gear.

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