Help: How to play EU (and how not to)

Sounds like a lot of your loss is going to the fapper.
 
Yeah.. well this discussion miss one important point with skills. The skills make you able to decrease the cost of killing the mobs, they don't increase the loot from the mobs. So even if the low-skilled players get the same or even better loot from the mob than a higher skilled player, the low-skill player could still ending up worse because they have a higher cost for the killings. If you kill a 1 kg chicken, you will get a 1 kg chicken to eat, don't matter how you kill it.

Special loot is also very rare and random, so nothing players should count on getting. The only way to get a good return/cost ratio is if you know some mob that on regular bases drops loot with good markup.

Ok, no one really knows that what you are saying is true. What we do all "think" is that skills should help decrease the kill cost (as you are saying as well). We can't say 100% that higher skills don't also give more loot right? They are supposed to have some influence, which is the basis for why EU isn't considered a Casino in the USA. Isn't it a bit alarming that one of the top 5 highest players in EU can just get destroyed on loot on a regular basis? I've followed Girts' hunting log. I don't think he did anything particularly different to suddenly swing from huge losses to big profits other than buy 2 LA's from me. Perhaps owning LA's boosts your loot? We should probably add that to the list. I can always ask him what else he did, we are in the same society. I did see he doesn't use enhancers, so we can add that to the list too.

11) DO own Land Areas. Girts got an 80k HoF shortly after buying 2 Osseo LA's from me (Could also have been him depositing to have PEDS after though!) Buzz looted the BLP version of the Mod Merc at Arkadia and his wife got the first Mod Ares ring (sold for around 20-28k).

12) DO NOT use enhancers. (Hmmm but I know the perfected tegretov and mod shadow were using enhancers so who knows!? :) )

Sounds like a lot of your loss is going to the fapper.

Yeah, I should use a 2nd computer + FapBot like everyone else seems to. That would save me 500 PED or so per day. I agree that's a lot to pay, but what choice does a person have when competing vs. breaking the EULA like everyone else seems to.

I could name names but won't; it wouldn't matter anyway due to the mods likely closing the thread immediately. All will deny it but we all know who does it.
 
Do you believe that the weapon you're using while killing a mob, affects the loot you get from that mob ?

Just curious what your opinion is, I am aware that nobody will know this for sure (except MA staff).
 
Do you believe that the weapon you're using while killing a mob, affects the loot you get from that mob ?

Just curious what your opinion is, I am aware that nobody will know this for sure (except MA staff).

I've used other guns (probably more different guns than almost anyone). I don't see it influencing loot. If it does, there is something really wrong here. Of course, I do believe that higher DPS should give more loot overall long term (with eco). There's also a chance that the 10% skillgain mod guns give more or less loot also. Like you said, no one really knows (unless they are getting inside information)

I believe it is time to start Hunting for others again. :) I suppose I'll have to start doing this again...

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?276700-Star-s-Hunting-Service-%28Part-II%29&p=3402575#post3402575
 
5) DO live in Sweden. Lag aside, is it possible there is an ingame quota for how much money must be paid to Swedes in order to keep it in their country? I don't know, just asking!?

If you are serious about this i say piss off, im from sweden and i dont feel favoured in any way.

If i want something i have to work hard for it.
 
My golden "rules":

-All your profit has to be paid by some other gamers, so think good how you can contribute them having a good time.
-If you want to make profit, you need to invest.. or get damn lucky.
-MA pwns all your PED
 
Ok, no one really knows that what you are saying is true. What we do all "think" is that skills should help decrease the kill cost (as you are saying as well). We can't say 100% that higher skills don't also give more loot right? They are supposed to have some influence, which is the basis for why EU isn't considered a Casino in the USA. Isn't it a bit alarming that one of the top 5 highest players in EU can just get destroyed on loot on a regular basis?


Why on earth do people thing skills should effect the loot? The loot comes from the mob and not from the avatar....
Skills effect what kind of weapons and tools you can use and how effective. You use your avatar skills and your RL skills to choice what to do and how to do it in the game. That is why it's not a "Casino".

And yes, loot in general sucks... I know. I don't like it either. But anyone that thinks higher skills means better loot, no it does not. And it should not either. It would be impossible if players with lower skills should take a "double" punishment, not being able to use the best weapons as effective as they want and also get worse loot. It's hard enough to keep new players and old low and middle level players without making it even worse for them.
 
Do you believe that the weapon you're using while killing a mob, affects the loot you get from that mob ?

Just curious what your opinion is, I am aware that nobody will know this for sure (except MA staff).

Didn't Marco suggest this was likely in a post one time?
 
Didn't Marco suggest this was likely in a post one time?


Yeah but he said many things that were technically true but a little cryptic and open to interpretation.
 
Buzz looted the BLP version of the Mod Merc at Arkadia

Buzz didn't loot the gun, he bought it. The looter was a Level 10-ish guy who logged in for the first time in 2-3 years. So you can continue with the conspiracy theories, but you're applying the wrong rule in this case :D
 
personally, I dont think skills GIVE you better loot, they just let you hunt mobs that GIVE better loot
 
the real problem there not anouf new stuff i would pay ma 1000 dollars us for free a gift to ma if they could go back vu9 all the rest went down hill

i didnt even mind paying 140% plus for limited gun why i knew when i looted one i could get the same now it all tt food it like a mix bag of chip

too much new stuff whit out using the old stuff

so now your loosing more because off your loot is worht tt

unless something new come on and you try to con yes con the person buying that new item that worth alot in a year it worth almost nothing

when i say you i dont mean the op person in general
 
I love threads like this - it really puts things into perspective.

Personally I don't believe there is any favouritism. There are coincidences and there are occasions when MindArk might acknowledge the actions or contributions of certain accounts by rewarding them from events or competitions but I don't believe they are able to manipulate the system to enable a particular avatar to receive a particular loot or return during live play, whether it's a loot on a mob or a find or a click at the crafting machine.

Stating the obvious again and reiterating what other posters have said, skills don't affect the loot. You can have the highest HP and skills and the best gear available and that only enables you tackle the bigger, tougher mobs with bigger health more easily and 'cost effectively' than you could with lesser skills and lesser gear, so at the same time your chances of receiving better loot is increased.

As an aside, all things like enhancers, amplifiers, skill mods, rings whatever I don't buy into. To me that's just an extra expense and 'nice to have' and ultimately costly features I'm quite happy to do without. I've had my best loots and finds (albeit small given the way I participate in the game) without them and I don't believe the mechanics of the game have changed much since then (eg loot algorithm or whatever) - only that those dynamics have been affected owing to the amount of PED flowing around and the changes in economy / investment over time, so my chances of receiving better loot nowadays on the same mobs I enjoyed decent loot on years ago are far less.
 
It's a shame you don't back it up with numbers in this thread.

What is the gear you're using, how much armor decay do you have, how many enhancers do you use, what is your fapper bill? How much profit/loss do you have on the eomon?

Have you failed to adapt and did you become a dinosaur, or is there really something going on? :)
 
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Buzz didn't loot the gun, he bought it. The looter was a Level 10-ish guy who logged in for the first time in 2-3 years. So you can continue with the conspiracy theories, but you're applying the wrong rule in this case :D

I stand corrected. Forgot about that thanks! 1 less hat to wear.

It's a shame you don't back it up with numbers in this thread.

What is the gear you're using, how much armor decay do you have, how many enhancers do you use, what is your fapper bill? How much profit/loss do you have on the eomon?

Have you failed to adapt and did you become a dinosaur, or is there really something going on? :)

Whenever I have horrible loot, I start a "hunting experiment thread" and end up getting something decent through a miracle of whatever sort (thanks god!).

Gear I'm using? I think i stated that elsewhere in the thread but I'm adapting as much as you could. Why else would I use the newest stuff and hunt the supposed "migration" mob? What I am NOT using is a fapbot, which would save me 500+ ped per day. It seems that is a big chunk over time; however, it is a lesser chunk that doing it solo with full armor at all times and fapping myself. Profit/loss = -15-25k I'd estimate. I don't really want the depressing news of tracking my loot when it is this horrible. Forgive me but I do not think wasting 1.5 hours worth of hunting time to track is worth it. All that would do is make me never want to hunt again.

I don't think skills/gear are supposed to make any influence on loot. I do think that if you are able to do it very efficiently (with no armor when appropriate) you should likely at least have near the 92% return everyone else seems to say is normal. Marco did hint at this long ago; I don't know how much any of us really believed about that as he hinted at a lot of things that seemed to be false later.
 
Just keep looting...it will come :thumbup:

I stand corrected. Forgot about that thanks! 1 less hat to wear.



Whenever I have horrible loot, I start a "hunting experiment thread" and end up getting something decent through a miracle of whatever sort (thanks god!).

Gear I'm using? I think i stated that elsewhere in the thread but I'm adapting as much as you could. Why else would I use the newest stuff and hunt the supposed "migration" mob? What I am NOT using is a fapbot, which would save me 500+ ped per day. It seems that is a big chunk over time; however, it is a lesser chunk that doing it solo with full armor at all times and fapping myself. Profit/loss = -15-25k I'd estimate. I don't really want the depressing news of tracking my loot when it is this horrible. Forgive me but I do not think wasting 1.5 hours worth of hunting time to track is worth it. All that would do is make me never want to hunt again.

I don't think skills/gear are supposed to make any influence on loot. I do think that if you are able to do it very efficiently (with no armor when appropriate) you should likely at least have near the 92% return everyone else seems to say is normal. Marco did hint at this long ago; I don't know how much any of us really believed about that as he hinted at a lot of things that seemed to be false later.
 
when you see me log in, ask me about tracking & i'll tell you how to do it w/o wasting 1.5h..
it takes me 15-20 minutes when i'm not distracted too moch & i cycle 75% of my pedcard b4 doing it.. depending on what you actually loot
 
So I ask, at level 161 BLP sniper now, 102.5 evader, with 2% ch scope, 20% laser, arson chip tier 6/8 to use, perfect ares ring, augmented athenic ring, imp doa tier 9 with mod evil, and the ability to do eomon stalkers in liakon+5a or carramone + 8a sga, a bunch of pills for any type....what exactly am I doing "wrong" in this situation?

Since you did ask a question, let this level 58 laser sniper give some advice.

1) It looks like the big mobs don't payout way better than the small mobs.
2) People always say you are competing against the other players..
3) tier 9 does give more dps, but you pay for the enhancers when they break

considering the 3 above things...
Hunt eomon young with the imp doa/mod evil but without enhancers and a finisher
1) You still get the same payout if the small payout the same as the big ones
2) You are competing against lesser skilled players, so more chances for you
3) no enhancers breaking = less cost
4) bonus - faster killing is less armor decay

what you could also do:
Don't grind but pick the fruits. ( Get the globals out which always drop around the same coords, then switch mob and do the same)
 
Why not become a fapper instead and make 500+ peds per day?!

"Star's Survival Service"
 
Seriously?!... if you re-examine your posts and statements, you'll discover why your 'hunts' have not turned in your favor and it's you that says it yourself your 'issues'.

Then compare your saying from what MA has leaked... and voila. ;-)
 
Entropia is not meant to be gambling; if it was, it wouldn't be allowed in the USA.

That's why they market it as an RCE game, tho at it's core it's gambling.

Maybe you should get in contact with [Swedish gambling auditing agency] & ask how they investigated entropia & how long it's been..
I'm 100% sure you'd be suprised of the answer!..

Very, very likely. Could back it up with examples (not Swedish ones) but i'd be breaking a few laws. Since anyone could make wild claims without backing it up, i don't expect anyone to take this for more than an opinion, but i'm not willing to suffer the consequences, so, if you really want to know, like das said: inform yourself and you'll be surprised .. outraged even.

Some read between the lines and know what's up.

... i c, ppl should learn to just state what they really want, discover the real need behind it, would waste less time & would result in more chance of them getting what they need
 
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I just don't get all the responses, the highest skilled player in the game is trying to make a point, and you just deride him with your retorts, he is saying that there is something wrong with the game and i agree, at the moment i can afford to enjoy losing here - you are supposed to lose otherwise MA cant keep the game running - I am seeing this as MA just being greedy - there will come a point in my game play when i will say f**k it and stop playing - which means i stop depoing - i dont mind losing a bit but when you invest a lot into the game and get bugger all back then you may as well go and do something more interesting instead, i have played 4 years and spent a lot in game - never had a nice item or loot over 1k - at some point i will just say enough and go do something else with my money
 
I just don't get all the responses, the highest skilled player in the game is trying to make a point, and you just deride him with your retorts, he is saying that there is something wrong with the game and i agree, at the moment i can afford to enjoy losing here - you are supposed to lose otherwise MA cant keep the game running - I am seeing this as MA just being greedy - there will come a point in my game play when i will say f**k it and stop playing - which means i stop depoing - i dont mind losing a bit but when you invest a lot into the game and get bugger all back then you may as well go and do something more interesting instead, i have played 4 years and spent a lot in game - never had a nice item or loot over 1k - at some point i will just say enough and go do something else with my money

  • I think Dan has more skills, dont think Star has 400hp.
  • Only thing wrong with the game are the lag issues which will hopefully be fixed next week
 
Honestly, I'm just saying this: I started with a big enough bank roll to not worry (I thought). I tried to hunt the big shit "eco" when I thought things were bad and use carramone when they were good. Last week starting my hunt on Wednesday, I had exactly 12k PEDS on my card (made from trading). Today I logged in and couldn't really even hunt due to lack of peds. I had just enough for 500 Synthetic ME, 300 universal ammo, 100 Laser Cells and 500 BLP Ammo - which should last me like 25 minutes tops.

I've lost a lot more than that this migration, but that is the only sample I've tracked. I do have angel thighs and 2 x 19 ped esi in auction, along with about 10 guns that I listed for between 50-100 PED there. So about 3.5k PED or so in "stuff" to go with that ammo. 3.5k PED of stuff + about 1500 PED in ammo = 5k PED. That's about 7k loss in 1 week hunting. I know I've had similar weeks since migration started. Actually, I've only had 3 good days of loot during the whole migration. They were quite good, but not good enough to make up for the very next day of hunting loss.

So I ask, at level 161 BLP sniper now, 102.5 evader, with 2% ch scope, 20% laser, arson chip tier 6/8 to use, perfect ares ring, augmented athenic ring, imp doa tier 9 with mod evil, and the ability to do eomon stalkers in liakon+5a or carramone + 8a sga, a bunch of pills for any type....what exactly am I doing "wrong" in this situation?

I have also hunted Eomon Alphas/Prowlers naked, mulmun ascended in Carramone, and Mulmun looter elites naked...so it isn't just the mob choice of Eomon Stalkers.

Here is your problem, just like so many threads here..

Hunting way above your ped card.

You should hunt to what your ped card allows not what your skills allow.

12k ped on eomon and such, I think you need to cycle a few more 100k to start seeing 90%+ returns.

maybe take a look at linzey's hunting spreadsheat, see how much they cycle and possible tt losses (june)

Just my view, good luck.
 
Star does have a valid point (skills should mean something more than higher cost to shoot). I have been watching and playing since 2008 and every time I have ever found a reason to skill (read as depo more) they have always messed it up royally. I will now stick with my low level mobs that I can hunt naked whenever I come back from my current break.
 
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