Too many think this game is just about gambling.

This video may be the most long awaited thing since the end of the story about the egg !
 
But it does matter. If it's impossible to hit those big loots, then there's no way to make up that kind of ground in 1 or 2 hunting sessions anymore, no matter how many peds you cycle. There is and always will be an advantage to avatars like you that were scoring big when avatars like me were just trying to skill up to a level to even be able to try for such things. If that 30k loot gave you enough ped to cycle and find mu vs the guy depoing 2k just to hunt a little, how is that not an advantage that the little guy is supposed to overcome? And if you were the guy to hit one of those lucky big loots on a small drone or argo, how is that not a kickstarter to an EU career vastly different then trying to sweat for a few peds to trade with or making a depo $100 at a time to try and get started. Not to mention the kind of gear upgrades you can achieve with that kind of gift from MA.

Sure there are still ways to profit, but always the advantage to those who have "been there and done that" or have 8 or more hours to play each and every day. It's a lot harder to do now then it ever what when you were making those 4 and 5 digit hofs then blowing them off as something that doesn't factor, and if you happen to have a full time job in the real world then it seems like you can just forget about it, especially if you live more than 5 hours + or - off the Prime Meridian. I don't think your crafting run proposal can prove anything to the contrary.

In entropia you are always in control of your own choises and the risks you are willing to take. I strongly suggest you red some guides, even if you have played this game for quite some time already there's always new things to learn
In this game knowledge is everything. Especially about the market-value. The trading via the auction and betewen players. Never sell anything to the Trade Terminal unless it has less than ~5k weekly market. and even some of stuff with less than 1k MU be sold even if the MU value is only at 101% and this is the most important part, in all of your time in entropia you'll be cycling hundres, thousands, tens of thousands and maybe even hundred thousands or millions of peds Can you see it? 1% becomes 1ped, 10 ped, 100s of peds and eventually 1000nds of peds. a Veteran mid skilled player can easily burn through 10k ped in a day, that's 100 peds per day that he'd get back for free if he does not sell that 101% to the TT. Anyway, I don't know how accurate this is but MA has claimed that the money they earn via the auction house is also payed bakc to the players. This would mean that even if you only make 1-5 pec profit you've also spent X amount of pecs/peds that'll be cycled back to (you?/players?) personally I've even sold stuff that I lost a few pecs on just to keep a 30/30 stock on auction to get maximum ped cycling going. The way I see it I'm hitting 2 birds with a stone here, the weapons and tools that I sell cheap instead of vendoring some new players will be able to pick it up for almost nothing and this in turn helps that person out and the easier it is for new players the more the community will grow and with it my chanses of having a more enjoyable experience in this game.
in short this has been my most importan iron rule to follow NEEEVEEER SELL STUFF TO A TRAAADEEE TEEEEERMINAAAL!

Of course the easiest way to accomplish this is to have alot of peds so you can save your loot in big stacks and eventually sell them off on the auction. However for obvious reasons this is not possible for all, so I'm sorry but you're screwed... or so you'd think! But fear not, there's another way. In Entropia universe we have a great community of dedicated players that have played this game for years and years. There are even people that have played this game for over 10 years! That is amazing! but what's even more amazing is that the majority of these great players love this game and are very helpful to others and especially new people and with a little effort you can find yourself one of these people to be your mentor, your guide, your friend. and he or she will help you out by cleaning your storage when you're out of peds or maybe even buy your hardearned sweat for a more generous price than the normal market just to help you out.
There will ofcourse be a limit on how much crap u can dump on someone else because at some point you should be able to make it on your own. And by that time you'll probably have invested in entropia already and won't be needing the economic help.

Peopl do this because in turn it'll make this community that he or she loves to grow even bigger. Imo it's just too amazing, I don't think there's any other game where people would go to the same lenghts for others as the players of entropia universe does.
 
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Well, I created my avatar back in 2003, with some pauses along the years I came a long way in the game.


I can say that its true the game is not "only" about gambling, but its sure "mostly" about gambling.
Still the players can minimize losses, although in the end, if you dont global/hof you are f***ed.


Good Luck to all!!!!
(You gonna need it!)
 
I'm interested to see this crafting "Marathon" :)

I don't know about OP theory,
agree that we always have control of what we are going to risk in this world.

But.......
Entropia is unique and awesome anyhow.

Good luck with crafting run
 
That'd be the dream but I'd be fine with breaking even but thank you :)

You might need an ATH to break even after the run anyways. ;)

PS : I should have done the same, posted a thread and given MA time enough to prepare and configure stuff beforehand. ;)
 
Omg div you got suckered in too?! I feel much better about myself now that I know I wasn't the only one:laugh:

To OP. Don't worry. You'll at least get 80-95% back:thumbup:

Looking forward to see if the owners of PCF will sponsor this.

Not the first time I tried it buds, but the worst of the results this time it was. :)

I love conditioncrafting but I went to rehab and trying to stay away.......I did do a 100k ped run and I wasnt given all back, result looked a bit like divs :D

My turn for rehab. :)
 
May Almighty Lootius Blesseth Her Child - Diosa Daemon Watamaraka!

:bowdown:

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Iv done alot of condition crafting and putting all your chips on 1 blueprint on the same day? would be really stupid.

We all know the game isn't gambling the current odds doesn't point to it and the system does keep track of loses as units. But you just pretty much let all the condition crafters for the blueprint know your intention, so what happens when someone jumps in and takes a multiplier from you. As with this game your competing against other avatars for these multipliers. So you think that you cant lose with that amount of ped being cycled in 1 day and your get back 90%, now that is gambling in its self.

In fact you could have a bad run on the blueprint or out of sync with it and lose all of your ped. This does happen i know i put over 14k on life scanner 1 blueprint with pretty much 4 globals no hofs. Yes i got a 12 or 13k on alekez when i started switching. so be careful.

But good luck with this. Not sure why your doing it really if you been successful in hunting. You don't need to prove anything to the community and the only thing what matters is your own stats and withdrawals.

shaun
 
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I knew you had balls, but not that big :laugh:

Good luck mate, I hope your ATH dream comes true on this run :)
 
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Take it from those that have already done this... dont. You are setting yourself for failure. You say to do things you must do activities that give profit... no mu in explosive projectile crafting unless you some how get opals.



Well just a proof of how bad it can go. I did get a 4k pedder at the end and then it was how it was. So all i can say is

DONT DO IT :)

10h crafting IV, in current conditions I would expect ~30k losses, that of course if all people have same chances.

It's interesting to say that over the time MA seems to adjust the return on this BP, if in the beginning it looked like 90% or so, now is more like 80% or under, I find this change as a very low move from MA side, changes like this should be made public and I could accept it, just changing the return and expecting players to figure it out on their money is just not right, it can be even a bug but of course as long as they don't lose money everything is OK and they don't even try to look on it.

BTW: Reading first post is just amusing!

Systems keep track or your loses and pays back...:laugh:
 
I think it was easier to profit back before nerfs, all you had to do was camp drone/argo and you profited or at least broke even and wait for big hofs... that was ideal for me, just braindead grinding after long shifts at work... it was kind of relaxing.

Now you have to be more flexible, with shitload of new items its hard to keep track of markup. Everything is changing and MA is trying to ruin markup on your equipment really fast - that is the main reason why I stopped playing EU. Your best item is worth thousands of peds and next day it's close to TT food.
 
I see a lot of high loot, but I also see a drained PED-card :broke:

Claiming the EU is not a gamble is kinda naive. Yes, you can do better or worse depending on your knowledge and patience, but it is ALWAYS a gamble to some extent.
 
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MA can not give us more money than we give them. The way the money is distributed to players is "dynamic". The ones who cycle more PED should statistically do better, but luck will always be a huge factor.

You can do all the research you want, be the smartest person in EU, but at the end of the day same rules as any casino apply in EU. For some people to win big, many other people have to lose. The one who cycles the most PED for the longest time has the best chances (but even they can lose big without luck on their side).

Everyone likes to think they are the special snowflake that succeeded in EU because they played "smarter" than other people. To some degree they may be right, but the bigger picture doesn't change. You are hurting people more than helping them by spreading this false hope that anyone can succeed in EU.

It is still VERY possible to cycle PED for years and never see a big HoF and never hit that 90% TT return. So, hunt mine and craft for fun. If you want to see good returns, try Trading.
 
Will probably catch some hate for this but... I noticed OP lives in Sweden :cool:

There are aloooooooot of Entropia players that live in Sweden :)
 
Good luck Diosa :cool:
 
Iv done alot of condition crafting and putting all your chips on 1 blueprint on the same day? would be really stupid.

We all know the game isn't gambling the current odds doesn't point to it and the system does keep track of loses as units. But you just pretty much let all the condition crafters for the blueprint know your intention, so what happens when someone jumps in and takes a multiplier from you. As with this game your competing against other avatars for these multipliers. So you think that you cant lose with that amount of ped being cycled in 1 day and your get back 90%, now that is gambling in its self.
shaun

I am a little worried to do just 1 bp the whole day, usually when something does bad I switch to semething else quite fast so this will be a little different.

People will jump in defenitly. that's part of the reason. maybe we'll all force something to happen. either way the results will be interesting.
 
There are aloooooooot of Entropia players that live in Sweden :)

Lot of Americans play too. Maybe we just like to complain more :cool:

Or perhaps EU was designed to redistribute American wealth to Swedes :banghead:

The economy in EU has seemed very weak to me lately. A lot of your advice would have been good a few years ago... not so sure anymore.
 
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Wow :)

I was grinding those mobs 3 months prior to you coming in there and obviously snatching the hof basically while walking in,... am at 20k / 60k on the last mission and hit a 1.7k highest loot on them lol. Tell me what I am doing wrong to not hit the hof like you did :) And for those other mobs, same story, puny loots, never such a hof,..

What game is this, that you are playing?

Nothing against you m8, hope this doesnt come out wrong!

Good for you that you got this - but the rest of us - we don't get hofs like those :) without those hofs - where does that leave us?


Just try to imagine how you would feel watching pictures like this knowing you did your FAIR share of grinding the same mobs but never even hitting 1k on them, I dare not think about getting more than that lol...


Ofcorse its easy game, GG, when loots be pouring on ya,..
 
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Wow :)

I was grinding those mobs 3 months prior to you coming in there and obviously snatching the hof basically while walking in,... am at 20k / 60k on the last mission and hit a 1.7k highest loot on them lol. Tell me what I am doing wrong to not hit the hof like you did :) And for those other mobs, same story, puny loots, never such a hof,..

What game is this, that you are playing?

Nothing against you m8, hope this doesnt come out wrong!

Good for you that you got this - but the rest of us - we don't get hofs like those :) without those hofs - where does that leave us?


Just try to imagine how you would feel watching pictures like this knowing you did your FAIR share of grinding the same mobs but never even hitting 1k on them, I dare not think about getting more than that lol...


Ofcorse its easy game, GG, when loots be pouring on ya,..

Exactly. For every player that cycled 10k PED and saw a big HOF, there are 100s of players that cycled the same amount of PED and lost big. I don't think it was because they are not as "smart".
 
TT wise EU is no casino at all..MU (wave loots)is a whole other matter
And whoever say otherwise dont know how EU works :)
 
To OP:
Thank you for your plans to give us a lot of metal residue ;)
I hope your return will be at least 85%
 
I'll be aiming to do my run at 1/9
 
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If you do this run and it turns out with another great HoF (which if it does fantastic for you and I mean you no disrespect by it) it wont be a sign -at least to me- that the system is perfect,you are clever and everyone else doesn't know what they are doing it will be a sign of exactly the opposite in my opinion.

Something which I've posted about before and I don't wish to flog a dead horse :ahh:
 
For you to prove this game isn't gambling you need to state your results ( and get them right), before doing the run.

Otherwise you are going in with no idea of the return, thus it is gambling.
 
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