Too many think this game is just about gambling.

My predictions:

1) OP does an average run and loses some K ped. This thread ends there.

2) He hits a big one by pure luck and is declared the smartest man on the planet. Then he receives a Nobel prize in mathematics and proceeds to marry a top model. This thread will grow to 9001 pages long and win a Pulitzer, a Grammy and 2 Oscars. Popcorn stocks will skyrocket and OP will make millions out of it.
 
2) He hits a big one by pure luck and is declared the smartest man on the planet. Then he receives a Nobel prize in mathematics and proceeds to marry a top model. This thread will grow to 9001 pages long and win a Pulitzer, a Grammy and 2 Oscars. Popcorn stocks will skyrocket and OP will make millions out of it.

All MA staff awaiting for time of this run, when they can press ATH button :lolup:
 
How does this test prove PE isn't gambling?

What you are doing is exactly gambling.

You get no markup in return (Or very little). So the ONLY way you can profit from this is getting >100% tt (okay so 99% would probably also work.)

That would prove nothing. Other than you were lucky to get a massive hof.

The people that do well in this game, are the ones that do not treat PE like a casino. That hunt for where the markup is, that do NOT rely on a big win to profit. (I am one of these)

So, again, how does this prove that PE is not gambling? (the_prophet, feel free not to respond to any of my posts, as I put idiots on the ignore list.)


Rgds

Ace

P.S. i wish you luck though, the feeling of an ATH has to be awesome!!!
 
My mentor always said entropia is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get.
I think by this he meant that you gotta keep chugging down on 'em chocolates like there's no tomorrow.

Seems to me that YOU'RE the one who thinks the game is all about gambling. Doing huge explosive run = gambling. Your illustration of chocolates... you will be more likely to end up getting sick from all that nasty chocolate but never find a good one in the box. This is the experience that most people have, who like you are chasing the ATH. BTW, that is not what the phrase "like a box of chocolates" means. It just means you can't know what you will find next, not that most of what you get is bad.

If your goal is to profit but your activities in entropia aren't profitable on a reliable basis, then you're gambling.
 
what I get from this post? well, I see one insanely lucky person who has had 3 huge ubers and kept going :lolup:
 
I'm just gonna put in a bunch of peds and show u that I can get it back and that I won't loose it. we all have our definitions of gambling and I'm not saying that your way of thinking is wrong but only that it's not the way I see it. if I were to do just 1 click and I had a 5% success chance or w/e. just to make it simple. I'd see it as a gamble so I get where you're coming from.
 
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TT wise EU is no casino at all..MU (wave loots)is a whole other matter
And whoever say otherwise dont know how EU works :)

Please enlighten us. How does EU work?

I think it might be you that doesn't understand the definition of gambling :)
 
Quote Originally Posted by Piotr View Post
TT wise EU is no casino at all..MU (wave loots)is a whole other matter
And whoever say otherwise dont know how EU works

Please enlighten us. How does EU work?

I think it might be you that doesn't understand the definition of gambling :)

He is right, TT is fixed. MU is well who knows what will happen
 
I'm just gonna put in a bunch of peds and show u that I can get it back and that I won't loose it. we all have our definitions of gambling and I'm not saying that your way of thinking is wrong but only that it's not the way I see it. if I were to do just 1 click and I had a 5% success chance or w/e. just to make it simple. I'd see it as a gamble so I get where you're coming from.

If the bolded part was true, then MA wouldn't exist as they would not make any money. Hence, why it is gambling what you are doing.

I still wish you luck though.


Rgds

Ace
 
If the bolded part was true, then MA wouldn't exist as they would not make any money. Hence, why it is gambling what you are doing.

I still wish you luck though.


Rgds

Ace

MA is just like a bank, they'll live off of the interests on all the deposited money. don't worry I'll get the peds back and ty for wishing me luck.
 
Quote Originally Posted by Piotr View Post
TT wise EU is no casino at all..MU (wave loots)is a whole other matter
And whoever say otherwise dont know how EU works



He is right, TT is fixed. MU is well who knows what will happen

TT is fixed overall. Not for each player individually. It is still gambling, unless you have unlimited peds to cycle until the end of time.
 
Please enlighten us. How does EU work?

Recently I easily explain to my kid how EU works.
Imagine a pot in which each player is dripping a drops. Each of the drop in the pot generates circles. These circles may drip over the edge, that is what returns back to the players. More drops - more circles. Also there is a mechanism, which is programmed so that the pot is regularly shaken (more or less). In this case, several players will not get little drop, but will be poured. Also pot can tip over ... then we can see ATH :)
The pot has a hole through which drips what developers can take (10%).
 
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MA is just like a bank, they'll live off of the interests on all the deposited money. don't worry I'll get the peds back and ty for wishing me luck.

For the sake of argument and going round in circles. I agree to not agree with you.

Again, get that ATH. Will help the loot pool lol


Rgds

Ace
 
TT is fixed overall. Not for each player individually.

U answered ur own question. U have influence on ur return on personal level
 
Claiming the EU is not a gamble is kinda naive. Yes, you can do better or worse depending on your knowledge and patience, but it is ALWAYS a gamble to some extent.

I think claiming that it's always a gamble is naive itself. If you're losing money, you're doing something wrong ;) I dunno what people are complaining about honestly I could at least break even on a bad day and sometimes make 1 - 2 PED profit, just from TT items with low levels. It takes a lot of experimenting and research of course, and being able to sell stuff for the right MU and all that, as well as knowing where to go and what to get, knowing what to use, collecting just the right amount so it's in the perfect MU range but still sells well (this means saving things for later as you get more) and isn't low enough for the auction fee to matter, and utilizing the auction buyout properly (the auction buyout is your friend...).

So it's entirely possible, it just sounds like you are choosing to gamble, so stop complaining so much :tongue3:
 
The people that do well in this game, are the ones that do not treat PE like a casino. That hunt for where the markup is, that do NOT rely on a big win to profit. (I am one of these)

Exactly, I completely agree.
 
U answered ur own question. U have influence on ur return on personal level

The only influence you have is being eco and high MU. But many people follow these rules and still don't see a 90% TT return after thousands of PED cycled. I see what you are saying, but at the end of the day, some people will still call it gambling, and some people won't. It is a matter of preference. It is not one or the other. It is neither. It is "dynamic" :dunce:
 
I am starting to feel like this is just a troll thread - I really hope you put your money where your mouth is and do this crafting run. You seem so confident that you will break even that I wonder if you are playing the same game as me.

The more I think to write - the more I feel like I'm getting trolled. Just do the crafting run and I'll just assume you aren't an MA controlled avatar :laugh:
 
It is gamble with two personnal factor :
- The way you play, the longer or not your pedcard will be = eco, overkill, loot with MU ...
- Luck = ... Luck ? ;)


My two pec,

Thorias
 
I am starting to feel like this is just a troll thread - I really hope you put your money where your mouth is and do this crafting run. You seem so confident that you will break even that I wonder if you are playing the same game as me.

The more I think to write - the more I feel like I'm getting trolled. Just do the crafting run and I'll just assume you aren't an MA controlled avatar :laugh:

I'll do it but I still need to free up som peds and I'm also trying to get used to Nvidia Shadowplay plus the entropia client tracker which I can't get to run, it just says stopped. gonna see if it'll take a global screenshot anyway. and then there's the connection... I'm just using a mobile connection so I'm not sure if it'll hold up if there's shitty weather etc. but I think it'll work out.
 
The only influence you have is being eco and high MU. But many people follow these rules and still don't see a 90% TT return after thousands of PED cycled. I see what you are saying, but at the end of the day, some people will still call it gambling, and some people won't. It is a matter of preference. It is not one or the other. It is neither. It is "dynamic" :dunce:

I am yet to see anyone hunting with 2.95+ MAXED eco and 1-2% defcost with NO TAX after 5k+ mobs killed getting less than 90% return (normally tracked not on gutfeeling).
Im over 5k eomons killed this year with high defcost of 3% gun has base eco of 2.9 on gun after dumping with enhancers (sometimes even lower when putting L amp on) and im still at 95% return (with 2% critscope) and thats tracked data not my gutfeeling :)
 
My mentor always said entropia is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get.

just like gambling then.


Unless you be smart :D

You can

keep chugging down on 'em chocolates like there's no tomorrow

or you can play it smart. Strategize:


A. Look on the inside of the cover, it usually tell you what's there

B. Do some research about the brand

C. Watch for patterns, if you get one kind that has a bad nut try to avoid those ones

D. Remember which kinds of chocolates taste the best and go for those ones


So yes, not even a box of chocolates has to be a gamble.
 
It is a bit funny that you guys keep trying to find faults in what I'm writing, let's just wait for the results. that chocolate thing is just something I wrote to be funny, I promise you that it sounded way funnier in my head when I thought it up. Don't give it too much thought.
Tt was meant for u to picture someone eating crappy chocolate and giving up. before reaching his hard earned goal. and the comedy was that u wouldnt be able to eat so much chocolate in the first place. you'd have to puke it up a few times over. it was like a parody comparison
I'm sorry that it was taken so seriously by so many, I should've tried to be clearer about it being a joke.
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that chocolate thing is just something I wrote to be funny, I promise you that it sounded way funnier in my head when I thought it up. Don't give it too much thought.

I was writing that as a response to aridash, where he said that meant it was just like gambling. Not to you I know you were just being funny :tongue3:

I wasn't even being entirely serious myself, I mean really who makes a strategy for eating a box of chocolates lol.

u wouldnt be able to eat so much chocolate in the first place.

I take that as a challenge... ;)
 
You do realize MA has fixed loot by not wanting people to hit big and withdraw right? Hence why all low end mobs now loots 1k max. But i can compare My old 10k loot argo results from 2006 and say every hunter now doing argos is doing it wrong. Just look at My screenies from 2006

Should also give examples of old mining vains from PE and tell 2days miners they are doing it wrong. Just look at My old screenies.
 
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In the near future I'm going to do a 10 hour nonstop Explosive Projectiles Blueprint IV crafting full Condition run!

I once sat a slot machine for 8+ hours bettting max amount guess what I hit the jackpot.... and hit many almost jackpots.

I also profited, it was still considered gambling, but I can say I invested my money into a sure thing to win it all back.
 
MA doesn't print money.
Not everyone can profit. NO MATTER WHAT.
Profit and loss is cyclical.

Let's see if the OP is this lucky in 6 months.
 
Some things to consider: if OP hits it big, and get and ATH, he will in fact have proven to a lot of people that the game is gambling.

For his mission to succeed i think he should be between 95% and 105% tt return without any hofs over 20k.

How would you measure your succes Diosa?
 
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