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    Question Am I Doing Something Wrong ?

    Hi All !!!

    First off am Louis been playing a few less knows MMO's for the past 10 years [ since i was a kid, yea].



    Started EU on 31 July this year, Right off the bat i started to skill up my BPC on a MS and finished it asap.
    After that i started to increase my Mining & Hunting Skills up, both are at lvl 19 now.
    But i feel as if i am doing something wrong in mining, i have wasted around 47k in the past month+ on mining without even a chance of breaking even. I tried reading the guides on the forums but was unable to clear my head over it. I know as a fact that i am doing something thats wrong on the MAJOR, but i need some1 to point it out for me. All the persons i spoke ingame have been telling me to jus do what i am doing[No Offence To Any Person] as they felt it was the best for me.


    So back to the topic

    I need some1 who can just Guide me on How To Mine - I dont need PED support or item support as i can afford more than nuff for myself. I just dont want to end up wasting it all over nothing thinking i know crap about what i do [Which I DONT Know]

    I would really appreciate it IF some1 can come forward to guide me on how to be ECO.

    NOTE : Am not looking for HoF's or Globals. I just wana have fun and IF can break even, as i have never done it till now

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    Welcome fellow English player to the forum and the game!

    Mining is my 2nd lowest profession (after crafting)

    I possibly could advise you how to alter your playstyle / method although there are certainly plenty more qualified than me as miners.



    Consider this a and a for those who are more miner than me. Eco I know all about.


    PS: Even though mining is my 2nd lowest profession I typically break even when I indulge in it.

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    I lost 37k on 180k cycled during the same time. Mining was and is a terrible profession post explosive bp.

    Im going with the assumption that you didn't do planetside and I would say that's part of the problem. If you went to foma, that's 5.5% tax.

    I don't know how you can profit in mining right now. I couldn't with a ul amp when I could previously.

    The principle of being a fellow ecofag is to get the most markup with the least amount of markup and cost. Don't buy any large investments for either 3 professions until you can profit or break even consistently with L. That's my lessons learned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atomicstorm View Post
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    I lost 37k on 180k cycled during the same time. Mining was and is a terrible profession post explosive bp.

    Im going with the assumption that you didn't do planetside and I would say that's part of the problem. If you went to foma, that's 5.5% tax.
    Well you can choose which advice to take on a forum.

    http://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/fo...anganite-Stone


    I cant say if the opening poster is doing something wrong, as they've only played for 6 weeks, there are probably refinements and tips they could benefit from.

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    Hi and welcome!

    As I don't know where you mined and what you used, I will just drop some comment about current situation.

    1)Introduction of Explosive blueprints. Level IV BP was known to drop huge hofs because of high cost per click. These BPs use only trade terminal materials, BUT drops Metal residue. Metal residue is used for crating (L) items. As most of permanent and occasional gamblers started to click Explosive, MU on Metal residue droped from 107-111% to 100.50-101.50%. Explosive mania itself killed consumption of many materials and so did Metal residue MU fall(its MU covered quite a lot of loss taken from crafting BPs with low/mid/high MU materials). So, if someone is chasing big hofs(as most do probably), why pay MU when you can just buy everything from TT... aaand, resources MU is falling like never before, just as consumption.

    *Miners are throwing chairs and PCs out of the window

    2)MA realises(or everything happens by plan) that MUs are doomed so...they need to give an ilusion of existance of MU. They start to play with, lets say, "Resource distribution in area" slider. Low MU resources are set to higher point(so their value is even worse than before), and some common high MU resources are set to lower point. So, lets say, you get a lot of 101-107%MU crap and some or nearly none 130-160%MU. Just to decrease chances that miners will profit. So even with 90% return many or even most areas are a ped sink, with ilusion that there are resources with high MU.

    3)<just my opinion> which might be right. Bigger you amps is, less high MU resources you get(another step to destroy crafting and resource MU). Of course rare high MU hofs happens, but remember "Resource distribution in area" slider. Biggest enemy with MUs like now is return swings. When I was mining, I had no problem to go through few months of 70-75% returns with ~150k turnover, but now...

    *MA did this because there were too many profiting players in mining and MAs financial problems.
    *Low MU residue gave illusion that people will craft more, play more and (L) items MU will be lower. Probably people do play more, but now in Real Crash Economy.
    *Even if you don't mind those low MUs, it wont be easy to sell your materials, except Orders of course.

    Sure, there are always exceptions. There is still profit in every profession. I hope you learnt atleast something new about current situation.

    As I don't know your mining style, I would say - examine http://www.mininglog.com/maps.php (you, and maybe someone else, will better understand "Distribution Slider")(LittleBigMiningLog software will help a lot, if you don't allready use it), get SGA excavator(if you can afford it and have something lower), go unamped(probably), use unlimited finders and most important - try to have fun.

    I hope others will correct me, add something and throw in some nice advice.

    Drop me PM if you have any questions.

    Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aris_S View Post
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    Hi and welcome!

    As I don't know where you mined and what you used, I will just drop some comment about current situation.

    1)Introduction of Explosive blueprints. Level IV BP was known to drop huge hofs because of high cost per click. These BPs use only trade terminal materials, BUT drops Metal residue. Metal residue is used for crating (L) items. As most of permanent and occasional gamblers started to click Explosive, MU on Metal residue droped from 107-111% to 100.50-101.50%. Explosive mania itself killed consumption of many materials and so did Metal residue MU fall(its MU covered quite a lot of loss taken from crafting BPs with low/mid/high MU materials). So, if someone is chasing big hofs(as most do probably), why pay MU when you can just buy everything from TT... aaand, resources MU is falling like never before, just as consumption.

    *Miners are throwing chairs and PCs out of the window

    2)MA realises(or everything happens by plan) that MUs are doomed so...they need to give an ilusion of existance of MU. They start to play with, lets say, "Resource distribution in area" slider. Low MU resources are set to higher point(so their value is even worse than before), and some common high MU resources are set to lower point. So, lets say, you get a lot of 101-107%MU crap and some or nearly none 130-160%MU. Just to decrease chances that miners will profit. So even with 90% return many or even most areas are a ped sink, with ilusion that there are resources with high MU.

    3)<just my opinion> which might be right. Bigger you amps is, less high MU resources you get(another step to destroy crafting and resource MU). Of course rare high MU hofs happens, but remember "Resource distribution in area" slider. Biggest enemy with MUs like now is return swings. When I was mining, I had no problem to go through few months of 70-75% returns with ~150k turnover, but now...

    *MA did this because there were too many profiting players in mining and MAs financial problems.
    *Low MU residue gave illusion that people will craft more, play more and (L) items MU will be lower. Probably people do play more, but now in Real Crash Economy.
    *Even if you don't mind those low MUs, it wont be easy to sell your materials, except Orders of course.

    Sure, there are always exceptions. There is still profit in every profession. I hope you learnt atleast something new about current situation.

    As I don't know your mining style, I would say - examine http://www.mininglog.com/maps.php (you, and maybe someone else, will better understand "Distribution Slider")(LittleBigMiningLog software will help a lot, if you don't allready use it), get SGA excavator(if you can afford it and have something lower), go unamped(probably), use unlimited finders and most important - try to have fun.

    I hope others will correct me, add something and throw in some nice advice.

    Drop me PM if you have any questions.

    Good luck!
    Hi Aris !!

    Thanks a lot for the info, let me tell u the details of myself 1st

    1 - Am a level 20 Prospector
    2 - Doing only Ore Drops
    3- Using [Ziplex TK120 Seeker (L)] Tier 6 - 6x slots Depth Enhancers
    4 - [Resource Extractor RE-103] Tier 4 - With Efficiency Enhancers
    5 - Most of the runs are with Level 5 & 7 Amps.
    6 - I go to the usual hit spots only after 48 to 72 hrs after a hit.
    7 - Tried Ark UG & Planetside - But the planet just seems to hate me
    8 - 90% of the time am at Caly Planetside
    9 - I visit FOMA or RT at times when the Globals are pouring in as the Hit rates for them are very bad.

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    Check out greenleaf mining company, Google it, read the website and the documents twice and you will get the basics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crone View Post
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    Check out greenleaf mining company, Google it, read the website and the documents twice and you will get the basics.
    Yeah i did

    Tried contacting them via their website, but have not gotten a reply yet. Tried leaving a msg to their Leader from the Soc Terminal. Hope he looks at it and replies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LouisKardin View Post
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    Hi Aris !!

    Thanks a lot for the info, let me tell u the details of myself 1st

    1 - Am a level 20 Prospector
    2 - Doing only Ore Drops
    3- Using [Ziplex TK120 Seeker (L)] Tier 6 - 6x slots Depth Enhancers
    4 - [Resource Extractor RE-103] Tier 4 - With Efficiency Enhancers
    5 - Most of the runs are with Level 5 & 7 Amps.
    6 - I go to the usual hit spots only after 48 to 72 hrs after a hit.
    7 - Tried Ark UG & Planetside - But the planet just seems to hate me
    8 - 90% of the time am at Caly Planetside
    9 - I visit FOMA or RT at times when the Globals are pouring in as the Hit rates for them are very bad.
    I am not a big fan of enhancers my self. Next time you on RT ask around there is plenty of friendly miners who will help you. You might not be able to sell your goods on RT, but Alt is good to mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LouisKardin View Post
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    Hi Aris !!

    Thanks a lot for the info, let me tell u the details of myself 1st

    1 - Am a level 20 Prospector
    2 - Doing only Ore Drops
    3- Using [Ziplex TK120 Seeker (L)] Tier 6 - 6x slots Depth Enhancers
    4 - [Resource Extractor RE-103] Tier 4 - With Efficiency Enhancers
    5 - Most of the runs are with Level 5 & 7 Amps.
    6 - I go to the usual hit spots only after 48 to 72 hrs after a hit.
    7 - Tried Ark UG & Planetside - But the planet just seems to hate me
    8 - 90% of the time am at Caly Planetside
    9 - I visit FOMA or RT at times when the Globals are pouring in as the Hit rates for them are very bad.

    Don't use enhancers, use of105, don't use amps, mine only planetside......go after the best AVERAGE markup you can.

    It will be quite boring and slow, but you should be okay in the long run. And will give you the time needed to mine everywhere to see what ores you can find where.

    Rgds

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